Whose Line Is It Anyway? Mafia! - Page 19

On November 03 2012 04:09 gonzaw wrote:


How about not coming with a "ninja-vote" right before the deadline and vote before that?
When I was skimming the thread I was too busy trying to figure out the Mementos/BKE issue so I didn't pay much attention to it, but I kind of thought you were getting modkilled/replaced like that Djingu guy.

Why didn't you vote BKE when you made that huge post saying you wanted to lynch BKE for instance? Why did you wait until the last second to vote?

On November 02 2012 00:32 strongandbig wrote:

Just read through his filter a couple of times, it's not very long.

K, here's one thing - he starts off with his "meta argument" on BKE, but then drops the read for no reason when he moves on to mementoss. Later, he says "BKE isn't scum to him," I would very much like to know what in BKE's filter gave him that impression because (as I outlined in my previous post) BKE's filter looks pretty terrible to me, and the worst parts are the parts that came after Adam's "meta read".

Mementoss case, I find pretty unpersuasive, I think that comparing pre-game and in-game enthusiasm levels is a valid tactic. "Not posting much of value" or "not having strong opinions" can be a decent case to make if it's clear and pronounced but it's hardly unique to Mementoss at the moment, I would contend that BKE, Djagulingu, maybe hopeless also fall into that category.

Oh, something else - he promises very early on to be like super active, but he is far less active than many other people.

Putting the shoe on the other foot, however, his claims about the meta component to your case are pretty compelling. Qualifying that - I know your case is not mainly based on meta anymore. Really, however, unless you disagree with him that his more recent games are different from your claim about his meta, it should be recognized that that element of the case on him is weak.

Something else you argue - he did originally take a position against BKE and later backtrack on it. Though I've said above that I don't understand why he backtracked, and though I really want to hear his reasoning, and though I think it's scummy to backtrack from one position and jump on another one without explaining yourself, I do think that at least taking a position is better than not taking a position, even if there is scummy backtracking.

On November 02 2012 17:43 Adam4167 wrote:
And as I have said, if you would like my opinion on a specific player, then simply ask. I do not post my thoughts for the sake of just posting as I find it needlessly inflates the thread.

If I was someone else thinking 'damn this Adam guy is scum' I'd be wrong, since he's not.

On November 03 2012 04:12 gonzaw wrote:
S&B you know that just saying "give me points" is not that convincing? If you don't tell us what those points do or how they work then we can't know shit how you will use them.

If you are scum you can easily tell everybody to "give you points" and then keep them or do something anti-town with it and we would never know about it.
It could even be a ruse and, like the show states, the points don't matter and you are making a big deal out of it just to spread confusion.

It's unlikely but it's possible, and I can't know if that's what's happening or not

On November 03 2012 04:15 Keirathi wrote:

Because I wanted to see if there was any support for lynching you instead.

You still haven't responded to BH's case (or my addition points), btw

Why did you spent so much time tunneling day 1, when your townie meta is to be suspicious of EVERYONE while gradually making town reads?

Also, I suggest you read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602&user=265522

Hell, you should probably read Aperture again too, and compare it to Liquid City which was running at the EXACT SAME TIME. Aperture was an anomaly in my play style, not the norm.

On November 03 2012 04:53 gonzaw wrote:
I also clearly am not "tunneling" you if you read my posts correctly. Saying that is a lie, I never tunnel anybody as town(i may be biased though, but I seriously don't think I've tunneled people for the sake of it, unless they were scum), just find them scummy as fuck and want peoples opinions on said player to make up my mind, and post my thoughts on said player and vote the player most likely to flip scum.

On November 03 2012 04:24 strongandbig wrote:

Then there's this post from Adam, which is scummy as all fuck IMO:



like a few things - "I don't post thoughts for the sake of just posting," if he was Gonzaw then this would be a valid sentiment but from the vast majority of players, more thread presence as a townie makes it easier to establish your innocence and helps the town.

Second, "if you want me to talk about anyone specific then ask" - I could be going against popular opinion here, but I think that while trying to get specific players to talk about each other is a townie thing to do - well, at least if you choose the two players correctly - I don't think just going "If you push me on something then I'll talk about it, but otherwise I'm gonna keep my mouth shut" is a very town thing to do.

On January 09 2012 15:49 Incognito wrote:





Being an obvious innocent is worth a lot more than being an active but confused poster. Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. This paralyzes town analysis and decision-making and allows mafia to hide in the chaos. You don’t have to be a super-active poster to prove your innocence or be useful to the town.

You do not need to be useful in an active and eye-popping way. Perhaps due to historical inactivity, TL Mafia players seem to have an unnatural urge to post everything that comes to mind in an attempt to avoid inactivity and keep the ball rolling. However, there are worse things than inactivity, and a game can hardly be called active if it is only the same 8 people repeating themselves in the thread. Your primary goal should be post quality rather than quantity. The game thread is not twitter. You don’t have to reply to every post or question you see with “@PlayerName”.


Don’t try to say everything. Don’t respond to every point. (This means don’t post an analysis quoting all of your target’s posts!) This muddles your agenda and clutters up the thread. Stick to the important points.