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Keirathi
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On November 03 2012 23:11 Mementoss wrote: ask me anything maybe I can clear shit up for you Maybe you could tell us who you think is dirty, if you catch my drift. | ||
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strongandbig
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I promised I would tell you what I did with your points last night. I would call it a "mixed success." On the one hand, I didn't get to do bad things to scum. However, on the other hand, scum didn't successfully do any bad things to the town. I used the points to activate two powers: a Tracker on Adam and a Veteran on myself. I didn't have enough points to use anything more powerful than tracker while keeping myself alive. I was roleblocked, so I did not get any information from the Track. I half expected this might happen, since I had been telling people I could do something with points. However, putting the points together still helped us out quite a bit - if you notice, there were no townies killed last night. I'm pretty sure that the main reason for this is that I soaked a shot with the veteran power I used last night. So all in all, I think this was a success. We can talk about what to do with more points tonight. For now, let's find the scum and give them the old in-you-end(o). | ||
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Keirathi
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I ask because some hosts allow passive powers to work through roleblock, and some don't. | ||
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strongandbig
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On November 04 2012 01:00 Chezinu wrote: Btw, this game is dead. That's what she told you last night, right? (you should really stop calling it "the game" btw - it's not making anyone want to play with it.) Anyway Chezinu you know what would make this thread less dead? If you would say things that actually participate in it. How about answering one or more of the questions I asked you yesterday? Preferably the ones about explaining your positions/stances so far in the game? Here's the post - it's in alphabetspeak but whatever. + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2012 04:43 strongandbig wrote: + Show Spoiler [may have had forgotten to click post b…] + now I have to post a whole bunch of sentences. Or else I could change my post. Post-changing is lame however. Querelously, therefore, I sit down to type this spoiler. Really, there's nothing interesting in here. Sitting in this chair. Typing things that aren't important. Ummm, what to say next... Very well, I will continue. Waiting to get to the start of the alphabet, almost there... Xylophony! Yeah, that's the art of playing the xylophone! Zounds, I'm at the end of the alphabet, only two more sentences to go! Almost there! BLAMMO! CHEZINU ARE YOU AROUND?!!?!? During the course of the games of yours I've played and observed, I don't think I've seen a time where asking you rational questions has actually helped, but in case I'm wrong or in case there's a first time for everything, let's give you a range of options of things you can talk rationally about. Enumerated herein are things that I would really like you to talk more about so I can discern your alignment: First, you've pretty much dropped your role claim idea without ever explaining why it was a good idea beyond listing all the players. Grant for the sake of argument that I'm stupid, explain to me why that's a good idea. Huh, when I look at your filter this is pretty much the only thing I see you talking about that's neither fluff nor the minigame. 2: I see you have voted for Mementoss; I kind of despair of getting you to explain yourself, since you were already asked directly once and responded only "I don't know," but for the sake of completeness I will herein ask you once again to actually explain that ninja vote please. Jeepers, you probably won't respond to either of those questions so here are some serious questions phrased in a way that might be more likely to garner a response from you: Kay, take a look at BKE. Let me know the ideal job for him as a menial domestic employee in Chezinu's House. Maybe talk a little bit about your spirit animal. Now suppose it has to fight the spirit animal of anyone in this game, whose spirit animal would your spirit animal fight and why? One last question - if you had to choose a game from Whose Line is it Anyway for everyone to play, what would it be and how would it help the House of Chezinu achieve victory in its endeavors? Please, if you refuse to answer any of these questions, just say more things - it seems like you're around but your filter is tiny and purposely vague and impossible to get a good impression of whether you're town or not. | ||
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On November 04 2012 03:30 Keirathi wrote: [b]If a vet gets roleblocked, can he still take a shot?{/b] I ask because some hosts allow passive powers to work through roleblock, and some don't. I bet you take shots all night long. I think what happened though is that since I had enough points to use two powers, only one of them got roleblocked. | ||
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On November 03 2012 23:11 Mementoss wrote: ask me anything maybe I can clear shit up for you I bet you're pretty used to clearing shit up, know what I mean? Cleaning the poop deck if you know what I mean? On the pirate ship? In the blockbuster movie, Ass Pirates of the Carribean? + Show Spoiler + buttsex Anyway I'm taking a look at Mementoss's filter, since there's momentum building quickly towards his lynch and I want to be sure whether I agree with it. Yesterday I pushed pretty hard against the case on Mementoss. I'm definitely not the only one who though it was terrible, and there were a bunch of things that made me feel that way. The strongest point in the case yesterday was a "general feeling that Mementoss was being wishy-washy and non-committal" - some of the specific points were just pretty bad, like the stuff about Mementoss's change in targets from crossfire to Keirathi, and I thought we had several more likely scum candidates. Combine that with the fact that Chezinu had voted Mementoss for essentially no reason, and that my top scum read BKE was pushing for a Mementoss lynch, and my thinking yesterday was that Mementoss would be a mislynch. This Gonzaw vote stuff seems pretty convincing, however. One point worth noting - Gonzaw used his time-out as a reason not to vote until later, but iGrok specifically said earlier in the game that you can still vote during time-out. I can't really see any reason for Gonzaw to have voted the way he did other than that he felt stuck voting for Mementoss but didn't actually want him to get lynched. So with those two points in mind - yesterday I thought Mementoss would be a mislynch, today there's some compelling new evidence - I'm taking a much closer read through Mementoss's filter. The Gonzaw vote evidence by itself is compelling, but it's not sufficient for me to vote on if Mementoss's filter really does look townie; Gonzaw can't have known he would get vigged, but if he was being really clever he could have preparing for his own potential future lynch, trying to leave evidence in his filter falsely incriminating a townie. So what I'm looking for is other evidence of a scum mindset, scum motivation, etcetera in Mementoss's own posts. On November 01 2012 06:08 Mementoss wrote: (1) Going to gym, fuck the rules. Only got 5 minutes but would like to comment on a few things. The above is your case against Adam right? I don't consider it the strongest case, as you above seem pretty confident in it, but the fact that he hasn't been back to contribute is pretty un easing. leaning scummy on him right now. I half agree to what you say about crossfire too blazinghand. His posts were unreadable thats for sure. I had to re-read several paragraphs 3 times before I even understood what the point was, and then it didn't even deliverable the point well -_-. (2) This is more likely xfire posting as town because he was being ridiculous, but I also think there is a possibility he started posting these long unreadable fluffy statements, so that maybe someone else would follow his ridiculous posting style and muck up the town completely. Thats scum intereference. Also, he actually looks to the non-reader, that he is contributing more than most, when really, hes more interested in literary skills and looking town, than actually finding scum. ATM I would be happy to vote either Xfire or BKE, (which I stated earlier why I thought his fake joke stuff seemed scummy, while his purposely?? getting restrictions wasn't liekly scummy), could go for Adam too, but I would rather wait for him to come into the thread again before doing that. Gunna lay down a vote Xfire atm. Need to re-read the thread and consider all the options, I have been either asleep or at work for this whole thread thus far. ##Vote Crossfire (1) There's the change in opinion about whether or not it's scummy for people to mess up the minigame. I know that changes in opinion to follow the current town consensus can be a scum trait, but I kind of went through a similar thought process. So this is a point to consider but I'm not convinced by it. (2) I could read this as coming from scum, regardless of what crossfire's alignment actually is. The actual argument, "crossfire is posting a lot of illegible bullshit to muck up town," is a legitimate one. However, he starts the paragraph where he makes his best argument to justify his vote with "this is more likely xfire posting as town". This doesn't feel like something a townie would do to me - if a townie genuinely was unsure or leaning town on crossfire's alignment, they wouldn't drop a vote, and if they were sure enough to drop a vote, they wouldn't start off by saying "well this person is probably town, but..." The scum motivation to do this, on the other hand, is (a) if crossfire is town, to give him some wiggle room later if he gets blamed for lynching a townie, or (b) if crossfire is scum, to establish some distancing while setting himself up to unvote and remove the pressure later. Then he makes a giant case on Keirathi, which I've put in a spoiler on account of its length: + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2012 01:52 Mementoss wrote: Keirathi Okay so some preface, I think Keirathi has been slipping through this game without being mentioned too much. So I decided to look at his filter and noticed some scummy things. Lets go through it. Part I: Spreading Accusations All game, Keirethi has been spreading accusations very very subtly while never going deeper into them, he has yet to give a strong opinion that he thinks would be good for a lynch. Overall, hes looking active while not doing anything to push a scum lynch. His play seems to represent someone that doesn't care who gets lynched at all. Lets look at a couple examples of this: His questions at chezinu seem to hint that he thinks what he is doing is scummy and pushing scum agenda, yet he just calls him ut on an anti town plan and never follows up. He says on its own its not scummy, than hints that his meta doesn't match so its a bit "weird". Never commits completely to his opinion on thinking hes scummy, but ends with scummy but not enough to vote him. Gives him an out if he flips red, that he didn't defend him he just couldnt make up his mind. Again says its weird, not scummy. Just says it makes zero sense. Keirathi has zero desire to get a lynch going today, and he is afraid to commit. Hes leaving himself many avenues open for later when he decides to vote. Again spreading some suspicion on gonzaw. Not saying hes scummy per sae but saying his meta doesn't fit aperature 2. And ALSO he doesn't mention that gonzaw was traitor in aperture 2, and he won with scum, so this meta doesn't even make sense. He doesn't follow up with in game evidence or even ask gonzaw to clarify anything. This brings me to my next point. Part II - Doesn't fit the meta Every game I have played with Keirathi he has been very active and has been a major part in pushing discussion. Even if hes not scumhunting hes pushing discussion in strategic ways. This game has been the very opposite. He is a commentator, active, without pushing discussion to actually find scum. That is all I have to say on this, because meta should just be a supportable part not the main part of a case. Part III - Active Lurker Keirathi has been actually quite active in this game at many times, however he has only put down a few lines every time he has been here, and choses not to discuss the current parts of the thread. He timeline seems to sprinkle at many times in the thread, indicating he is chosing not to contribute in his normal town manner, or he doesn't overly care about finding scum. Just to separate himself from the major lurkers in this game. He also has been excessively lazy this game and making excuses. He is apathetic. He knows better than this, there is never gunna be anyting to comment on unless you push the discussion, which keirathi has not beeen trying to do like his normal town self. Making an excuse to blame the mechanics for not posting. ##Unvote ##Vote: Keirathi [-] Other stuff: Alright so Im still not sure on crossfire, but I think there are more likely places to catch scum than him so im taking my vote off him. I can see what hes doing from both alignments, so I shouldn't make a solid choice on only that. His reaction didn't really lead me any further with more of an opinion on him. Probably 2nd scummiest player imo is BKE, I agree with SnB on his thoughts on him. Dingaling, is also an option but it would be strictly policy lynch at this point. I think he is more likely unactive than lurking. When is deadline? 10 hours? We need to somewhat start consolidating or discussing your straight up two best scum reads asaply. However, literally two posts later on in his filter, we go to this: On November 02 2012 07:09 Mementoss wrote: X BK, I dont understand what your saying, I already explained to you what I was saying, YOU are confusing the hell out of me, you are saying townies should just tunnel people all game :S, you tunnel hopeless for no reason all day, then only vote off him because BH told you and too, and to save your own ass - since i know my alignment, and i know im town - im going to switch my vote to you - i agree with snbs analysis on you - and all your play this game i cant see from a town point of view at all - this last push against me makes no sense at all and seems a bit desperate, is this another joke vote ##unvote ##vote: broodkingexe So, at first I was like "well regardless of alignment, players should want to stay alive - townies should always try to avoid a mislynch, and since Mementoss was the main other lynch choice from BKE, it doesn't have to be scummy to switch to BKE." But there's a key step missing here - after dropping down that huge case, telling us all how persuaded he is that Keirathi is scum, he puts zero further effort into getting keirathi to be a lynch possibility. If a townie was this convinced that he'd found scum, then his primary responsibility would be to put some work into pushing that lynch, or at the very least into exploring whether other people were willing to vote with him. Instead of doing any of that, he just drops down a big case and leaves it there to sit in his filter, then switches off of it with little to no comment when he needs to save himself. also note the "agree with snb's analysis" without any elaboration or inserting his own analysis, and later on he says "BH is the only guy I have a good town read on" - not a tremendously strong point, but it does kind of smell like buddying people with thread presence who weren't pushing for his lynch. So in conclusion: Between the way he phrased his early case on crossfire and the disconnect between his attitude towards Keirathi vs how I feel a townie would have behaved, I think there is enough scum motivation in his filter to corroborate the evidence of Gonzaw's voting behavior, which other people have talked about before. Therefore: ##vote: Mementoss | ||
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strongandbig
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On November 03 2012 23:11 Mementoss wrote: ask me anything maybe I can clear shit up for you If you're town, right about now is when you should be trying to show it off. (no not like that you sick fuck) Post cases or analysis. Do you still think Keirathi is scum? Persuade me. What is your interpretation of how Gonzaw was voting for you last night? | ||
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gonzaw spelled mementoss's name wrong in the voting thread, multiple times meh actually nevermind i thought he might be doing that to avoid the vote-counting bot that igrok said he was using, but he always spells it "mementos" in this thread as well | ||
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Keirathi
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On November 04 2012 04:58 Mementoss wrote: case is bad apparently Lol. ##vote: mementoss | ||
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classic keirathi | ||
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Keirathi
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How about you answer the questions that you were so willing to be asked? | ||
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Mementoss
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If you know what I mean | ||
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Mementoss
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On November 04 2012 04:22 strongandbig wrote: If you're town, right about now is when you should be trying to show it off. (no not like that you sick fuck) Post cases or analysis. Do you still think Keirathi is scum? Persuade me. What is your interpretation of how Gonzaw was voting for you last night? There is no persuading you guys no one wants to listen this game, everyone just wants to lurk and jack off in the corner if you know whhat I mean What do you mean how gonzaw was voting for me? How does it matter, he was voting between 2 town. He had to do something, because otherwise everyone woulda said he was apathetic to the lynch for voting someone that had 0 chance of being lynched. Its loads of WIFOM, and maybe thats what he was going for, making it look as awkward as fuck, so after he eventually died, his death would splash some shit onto me if you know what I mean | ||
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strongandbig
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On November 04 2012 04:58 Mementoss wrote: case is bad apparently Chezinu calls his "the game", yours is "the case"? | ||
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Totally easier to just ask you to share.
