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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On November 01 2012 04:56 gonzaw wrote: Yo I guess you don't care about the posting restriction anymore BH? Well I might do that with my bigger posts, since they come off horrible when trying to fit my thoughts into the restriction; although it'd stiffle discussion a lot (for instance now I can't discuss with you anything and once you can post again the thread of the discussion will be lost basically). Xena, you make some good points, although you seem to be ignoring his pressure of BKE; do you think him pressuring BKE looking at his past games and shit would be "a player who's trying to reason things out and learn" or not? Zoo, again because you haven't mentioned that. Also, again I'd like your thoughts on Keirathi. Boldly I feel that he hasn't done much ever since I called him out, he just kept hung on the Chezinu issue yet again and posting minimally yet again Frankly, I'm dissapointed in you, Gonzaw. Usually scum players don't reveal they're not reading the thread until much later in the game. AFter all, you were fully aware that I had previously made a post outside the alphabet rules: On November 01 2012 04:29 gonzaw wrote: Natalie it seems like we have more people failing the post restriction >_> Oh, BH once you come back from your 1 hour detention, could you post your thoughts on Keirathi? Perhaps or you still think Adam is scum for that 1st post of his? Query him you did but I don't really see why your vote is on him; I'll check it out again though And that post, in fact, is the one in which I talked about my interaction with the posting restriction. On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote: The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town. breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation. So, did you not read my post, or did you read my post? Furthermore, given that there were like 2 posts in the hour between my last post and this one, I'd hardly say i'm stifling discussion. This is also a call-out of crossfire, who thinks his monstrosity of an unreadable post (here) is somehow better than 1 hour intervals between thoughtful, reasonable cases. For what it's worth, I simply think crossfire is bad rather than scum. I'd be interested to know how gonzaw seems to have responded to and yet overlooked my personal view of the alphabet rules. And for what it's worth, I don't utterly ignore them-- I just ignore them when I can write a clearer, better message without them. It's more important I do that than I post more than 1 time per hour. As a particular response to crossfire's colossal lack of reading comprehension (which goes well with his writing style: On November 01 2012 05:34 Crossfire99 wrote: Gonzaw, do you agree with blazing's analysis of adam's meta? How is the italicized portion any different from the bold portion? Is not direct Q&A the same as questioning other players, and big paragraphs the same as big pieces of analysis. Judge for yourself and respond, please. Keeping this post in mind as well as his complete lack of trying to play the alphabet game, BH has now registered on my scumdar. Ready the sentence after your bolds. Adam is a confrontational player as town, and is a questioning player as scum. He opens with votes and cases, NOT with analysis and questioning, when he is town. His opening this game, with analysis and questioning instead of jumping out the gate with a major case, is clearly playing to his scum meta. I'm amazed you read my case and didn't understand this. I have no interest in commenting on Keirathi at this time. No cases in this game are currently as good as my case on Adam, which gonzaw is oddly non-committal on. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On November 01 2012 05:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Umm I can't fcking follow what gonzaw is doing. Why is that method of skirting the rules allowed? Vault this kid into detention please so that he's forced to stop dicking around and go the BH route, or play the game properly. Xtention of this would be to allow everyone (looking at you BH) to just throw in a random word that starts with the applicable letter. Zap, that's because when I already have the post made someone else ninja's me so I'd have to redo the whole post again. And I don't really give a crap to change a whole post I made (which did follow the restriction) every time someone ninja's me. But, if the hosts say it's not allowed then I'll be in detention and not do it. Can't say it happened yet so I think it's valid, at least if my previous post follows the restriction. Dear BH...are you serious? Elementary, I did read that post of yours. For what I know though, it's that you did keep up with the restriction later, for instance these posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378652¤tpage=9#173 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378652¤tpage=9#178 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378652¤tpage=10#188 Given that, I thought you started to care about the restriction again since you were following it. Highlighting you not giving a crap about the restriction again was a remark about that. Is this really enough reason for you to think I'm scum? Joke, at least try harder dear, FoSing me because of a remark about you not caring about the restriction is stupid. Know, although I can see you making stupid cases like this as town. Like right now I'm leaving so don't have time to check you BH, I'll do it later when I come back. Making statements like "lol I won't comment on Keirathi since my Adam case is the bestest" is stupid as well; it's D1 and we need info and contributions from people; knowing people's stance on Keirathi, seeing if they have more info to share about him that can help us figure out his alignment even more, etc. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On October 31 2012 11:38 Blazinghand wrote: Love to. My reason is that at this point in the thread he is the scummiest. "No way," you say, "he hasn't posted yet!" Often, that is reason enough. Proof of his scumminess is that he is a general liability. Quack is the sound ducks make. Really though I'm gonna change my vote to Adam there's no way that post is town. Seriously if he was reforming posts he'd reform his post into that post instead of making a complaining post. Trying to get cred when he deserves none. Untie! Going to gym, fuck the rules. Only got 5 minutes but would like to comment on a few things. The above is your case against Adam right? I don't consider it the strongest case, as you above seem pretty confident in it, but the fact that he hasn't been back to contribute is pretty un easing. leaning scummy on him right now. I half agree to what you say about crossfire too blazinghand. His posts were unreadable thats for sure. I had to re-read several paragraphs 3 times before I even understood what the point was, and then it didn't even deliverable the point well -_-. This is more likely xfire posting as town because he was being ridiculous, but I also think there is a possibility he started posting these long unreadable fluffy statements, so that maybe someone else would follow his ridiculous posting style and muck up the town completely. Thats scum intereference. Also, he actually looks to the non-reader, that he is contributing more than most, when really, hes more interested in literary skills and looking town, than actually finding scum. ATM I would be happy to vote either Xfire or BKE, (which I stated earlier why I thought his fake joke stuff seemed scummy, while his purposely?? getting restrictions wasn't liekly scummy), could go for Adam too, but I would rather wait for him to come into the thread again before doing that. Gunna lay down a vote Xfire atm. Need to re-read the thread and consider all the options, I have been either asleep or at work for this whole thread thus far. ##Vote Crossfire | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Oh, like thoughts on Keirathi for instance which you seemingly ignored? | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
Now, I read your case and looked at Adam's posts and don't see much of a difference metawise. The first quote is from your town example game, Arkham City, and the second is the scum example game, TL Mafia LI. In both he is a bit abrasive. As town he says things are useless, counterproductive, retarded, etc. As scum he calls out Fourface for being sarcastic and tells him to stop it. + Show Spoiler + On February 06 2012 21:45 Adam4167 wrote: All this setup piffle is useless and counterproductive. Both sides can post filler about the setup. Let power roles make their own judgement calls, let the night actions unfold as they do, and spend your time doing something that will actually lead to scum kills, like prodding people or reading filters. In the spirit of that: Kurumi, you soft-defend Schworz twice in a single post, also indicate that vigi's should avoid him and the rest of your post is basic setup waffle. I don't remember you being this wishy-washy in TL50 either, with statements like 'I find it funny that...' and 'I just ponder', you sure come off that way now. What are you playing at? Tobberoth, you say you're considering a vote on Kenpachi, yet you want to wait until 'discussion comes up later in the day'. This comes off as quite passive and almost like you're waiting for a bandwagon to pickup speed before you seal the deal. Why not just vote him now if you find him suspicious, as you claim, then move it later as more information presents itself? Ico, policy lynches are retarded... just no. Jaybrundage, I know you haven't even posted yet, but we've never been the same team. Don't see why this game would be any different. Have my vote! ##Vote: jaybrundage + Show Spoiler + On April 09 2012 00:12 Adam4167 wrote: Risen, I don't agree with what you are saying in regards to EchelonTee. You are voting him based on semantics over whether calling someone suspicious is an accusation. I think your case is paper thin and the fact that it gathered additional votes is concerning. Fourface, posting cases riddled with sarcasm is not helpful at all. It clouds the point you are trying to make and makes reading your posts more difficult then necessary. Stop it. Tunkeg, in this post you mention the 'back and forth' between ET and Risen yet you don't comment on either's alignment or your thoughts on their dispute. What are your thoughts on both of them? Lynching Jackal over him having a poor performance this year is ridiculous. We are not here to lynch bad players, only scum. He might have been slightly more harsh as town, but that is only one example and essentially that is all your case boils down to. I don't have the time to do an in depth study of Adam's tone in every game he ever played, and even then I think that your meta reasoning is tenuous at best. Look I didn't care one bit at trying to make this post fit into the alphabet game, Blazing. This won't happen again because I actually want to play to the spirit of this game. I just hope we can get along and start with a clean state. P.S. I just saw this beauty by Mementoss On November 01 2012 06:08 Mementoss wrote: Going to gym, fuck the rules. Only got 5 minutes but would like to comment on a few things. The above is your case against Adam right? I don't consider it the strongest case, as you above seem pretty confident in it, but the fact that he hasn't been back to contribute is pretty un easing. leaning scummy on him right now. I half agree to what you say about crossfire too blazinghand. His posts were unreadable thats for sure. I had to re-read several paragraphs 3 times before I even understood what the point was, and then it didn't even deliverable the point well -_-. This is more likely xfire posting as town because he was being ridiculous, but I also think there is a possibility he started posting these long unreadable fluffy statements, so that maybe someone else would follow his ridiculous posting style and muck up the town completely. Thats scum intereference. Also, he actually looks to the non-reader, that he is contributing more than most, when really, hes more interested in literary skills and looking town, than actually finding scum. ATM I would be happy to vote either Xfire or BKE, (which I stated earlier why I thought his fake joke stuff seemed scummy, while his purposely?? getting restrictions wasn't liekly scummy), could go for Adam too, but I would rather wait for him to come into the thread again before doing that. Gunna lay down a vote Xfire atm. Need to re-read the thread and consider all the options, I have been either asleep or at work for this whole thread thus far. ##Vote Crossfire Yeah, so you see me as more likely town, so you vote for me? -_- ??????? That's not scummy at all... | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
As an aside, my posts might not follow the alphabet rule, but i have the correct time between them, and by being clear when I'm not playing along, I'm infinitely more respectful to the spirit of the game than guys who slap letters at the start of their posts. But that' s not even the point. My role PM doesn't say that my job is to earn points in minigames; my Role PM doesn't say that my job is to play in the spirit of WLIIA; my role PM, and your role PMs, if you are town, says you win when all the scum are dead. I will not water down my analysis and play against my win con, and neither should you. The spirit of this game is lynching scum. Anything less than trying your hardest to win is not appropriate. When this can fit into alphabetical order and get the point across, I'll gladly do it. And when it won't, I will, within the guidelines set out in the OPs, not follow the alphabetical order. More specifically regarding your critique of my Adam case, you're missing the point again. Adam does eventually get confrontational (and FourFace was an unbelievably, immeasurably bad player who I believe got banned or something), but as scum he is more cautious. He probes first, then leaps. He is playing with his scum mindset this game, or at least he was while he was still posting in the thread. Look at his opening posts-- the questions, the lack of a commitment, and most importantly the lack of a case and a vote-- this is how he plays as scum. gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully. On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote: The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town. breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation. I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives? By the way, Mementoss, if your reasoning for voting Crossfire is entirely that he is hard to understand, that's fine, but bear in mind you're basically lynching him for being bad and playing anti-town, but not necessarily for playing like scum. I personally read him as a confused townie who doesn't understand he needs to play to his wincon. He'll shape up. He's not a terrible D1 lynch, but honestly if it comes down to it and nobody wants to go for Adam, I'd rather policy one of these inactive guys than do what's essentially a policy lynch on Crossfire for being illegible. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 01 2012 06:55 Blazinghand wrote: Crossfire, I have no issues with you personally. I don't currently think you're scum. You just need to get your act together. You do realize that posting a massive wall of illegible garbage HURTS town, right? That the reason Mementoss is voting you, even though he thinks you have a good chance of flipping town, is that he literally can't understand what you're saying? As an aside, my posts might not follow the alphabet rule, but i have the correct time between them, and by being clear when I'm not playing along, I'm infinitely more respectful to the spirit of the game than guys who slap letters at the start of their posts. But that' s not even the point. My role PM doesn't say that my job is to earn points in minigames; my Role PM doesn't say that my job is to play in the spirit of WLIIA; my role PM, and your role PMs, if you are town, says you win when all the scum are dead. I will not water down my analysis and play against my win con, and neither should you. The spirit of this game is lynching scum. Anything less than trying your hardest to win is not appropriate. When this can fit into alphabetical order and get the point across, I'll gladly do it. And when it won't, I will, within the guidelines set out in the OPs, not follow the alphabetical order. More specifically regarding your critique of my Adam case, you're missing the point again. Adam does eventually get confrontational (and FourFace was an unbelievably, immeasurably bad player who I believe got banned or something), but as scum he is more cautious. He probes first, then leaps. He is playing with his scum mindset this game, or at least he was while he was still posting in the thread. Look at his opening posts-- the questions, the lack of a commitment, and most importantly the lack of a case and a vote-- this is how he plays as scum. gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully. I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives? By the way, Mementoss, if your reasoning for voting Crossfire is entirely that he is hard to understand, that's fine, but bear in mind you're basically lynching him for being bad and playing anti-town, but not necessarily for playing like scum. I personally read him as a confused townie who doesn't understand he needs to play to his wincon. He'll shape up. He's not a terrible D1 lynch, but honestly if it comes down to it and nobody wants to go for Adam, I'd rather policy one of these inactive guys than do what's essentially a policy lynch on Crossfire for being illegible. Too many posts not following alphabet guidelines, so I'm not sure what letter we're on. But BH: why so willing to comment on basically everything else except gonzaws points about me? | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On November 01 2012 06:20 Crossfire99 wrote: Yeah, so you see me as more likely town, so you vote for me? -_- ??????? That's not scummy at all... -obviously didnt read all of my post, and a pretty defensive reaction over 2 votes this early imo | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On October 30 2012 00:25 Djagulingu wrote: No!!! I missed a game with Chezinu in it. On October 30 2012 00:25 Djagulingu wrote: /replacement On November 01 2012 03:17 Djagulingu wrote: So did we start or we're just fucking around? To be honest, I don't give a fuck Uhh ##Vote: Chezinu We should vote for chezinu because every single time there is a storm in the US and Chezinu is playing a game of mafia, he's always a scumbag. -does anyone see a weird disconnect here between pre game and in game - excited to play the game/to play with chezinu and then comes out with that opener saying I dont give a fuck - I dont understand this sudden change in mindset, not indicative of alignment as of yet, but just really weird contrast imo. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
X marks the spot. You ignore more recent games such as Aperture Mafia and wiggles mini mafia II - where I did not launch into cases with my first post - both of which I was town. You're taking a year old game, my FIRST game, and a post that I later admit to being drunk when writing and use that as evidence for aggression which you believe is lacking in this game. Zebras. I handled you more carefully this game because I've seen your horrendous tunnel-vision in TL51 - something that was a large distraction to town. | ||
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Adam4167
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Blazinghand
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On November 01 2012 01:30 Hopeless1der wrote: zoning of players into their role categories puts you right there with him crossfire: Anyways, regarding BKE. BroodKing's initial vote was "a joke", but he still had to vote and had to explain it. Cross, his assertion that pretending to vote is a pet peeve of his is fine, but upon re-reading the thread in context, I get a scummy vibe. Doing things like explaining his mentality AFTER he voted and AFTER people called him out seems like he's trying to keep things from spiraling out of control. Entering the thread with : Followed by never acknowledging what the "slip" was and simply pawning it off as a joke is scummy to me. Going to leave my vote on him for now. Hmm, BH makes some good points about breaking rules for the sake of posting in a clear and understandable manner. I'd like to think I've done both with this post. Cool, he knows when I'm pretending to say something, wait that's not possible. Don't believe the second part of that point either, its non-alignment indicative as town and scum would want to prevent misinterpretation. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
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Hopeless1der
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Blazinghand
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BroodKingEXE
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On November 01 2012 08:52 BroodKingEXE wrote: ##Vote: Hopeless1der u srs? | ||
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