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On November 08 2012 03:13 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 03:12 Acrofales wrote:On November 08 2012 03:11 Promethelax wrote:On November 08 2012 03:03 Acrofales wrote:On November 08 2012 02:15 Promethelax wrote:
Fuba's theory of Kush=sk is possible if we assume that thrawn is town and he did get a green check on Kush but mafia framed him that night they would know 1)kush=sk and 2)he took bullet proof, this means that Scum could rb me tonight and, instead of holding their shot shoot off the SK's bullet proof. Errr, why would scum have to RB you tonight? Don't you mean they could RB HIM and shoot his bulletproof off? However, all of this is Wildly WIFOM. Lets work with what we know instead of dreaming up hypotheticals. FIRST we need to find a framer. If Fuba is scum: he RBs me, scum shoot off SKs bullet proof and get town cred for being a confirmed JK. Wild WIFOM. And where did Kush's kill go? Either hits a protect or he was RB'd (which Kush was).
You are REALLY not thinking straight, just to make this theory work. It doesn't.
If the kill was protected, are you adding a medic role into the process?
If he was roleblocked, who roleblocked him (or alternatively, who roleblocked Release)? Note, you can't use mkfuba, because he was busy roleblocking you and fakeclaiming in the process.
You are not only wifoming it up, but you are adding roles. Why do you want fuba to be scum so badly?
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NK theory: scum tried to kill prome. release is sk and got rb
TOWN
thrawn
prome
acro
fuba
(all these people have claimed and been pretty pro town. I don't see anything suspicious about any of them)
SK
realease
(because of night theory and overall scummy play)
SCUM
dp
risk
draz??
I think draz is probably town, but there is a possibility he is scum instead of dp or risk.
DP and Risk are pretty obvious just due to process of elimination, but it also fits with their play.
Risk's behavior around the hopeless lynch seems scummy. Also it would be very easy to pull off his 1 liner style as scum.
DP doesn't give a shit about scumhunting except when he is the scum being hunted. His current attitude is one I also find very scummy---->lynch drazak WHO MUST BE SCUM. Keep your eyes on kush.
Well number 1 he isn't even considering that drazak isn't scum because it gives him an easy and obvious person to push.
And his suspicion on my is pure wish wash nonsense. Keep an eye on me is exactly the idiom he used. That is a scummy way to suspect someone.
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also i want prome and acro to claim
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Prom you're way pushing my "I'm warming up to you" alot.
Who is the last two mafia and who is the SK. (I don't buy into theories involving additional blues, we already have an army of them)
Remaining players:
Myself
thrawn2112
Promethalax
DarthPunk
Acrofales
mkfuba07
drazak
kushm4sta
Release
People have been requestiong them so are are my overall thoughts:
Town: thrawn2112, kushm4sta. + Show Spoiler +I belive thrawns claim and while kushm4sta is a terrible player he's done nothing to warrant doubting a greencheck.
Likely Mafia: Drazek, Promethalax, DarthPunk and mkfuba.
Maybe Mafia: Release.
Likely SK: Darthpunk, Acrofales.
Maybe SK: Promethelax.
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On November 08 2012 03:27 kushm4sta wrote:
also i want prome and acro to claim
I actually agree, Everyone should claim. Both role and name.
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I'm still in the process of elimination, but my town list corresponds quite a bit to Kush's. I have Kush down as scum or town, unlikely SK.
In any case, I don't see how we can get around flipping Drazak. He has pretty much claimed scum. The few theories I have left for solving this game revolve around his flip. If he's goon or roleblocker, I feel Kush is town. If he flips framer, then Kush is a likely scum candidate. If he flips town then my world is rocked, but even then I feel town wins this game.
Oh, and fuck you risk: I don't claim to people I think have a good chance of being scum.
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Also at the list: post your reasons, ffs.
Risk, why do you have Prom and mkfuba as scum? Do you really think Prom pulled that bus off? And hopeless' case on prom was a bus-case?!
Do you think mkfuba is lying about the jail on Prom? If so, who RB'd prom? Or do you think they're scum together?
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Also: what is your reasoning for Release not being on your possible SK list?
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@Kush: I did have some further questions for you regarding your flavour.
1. Explain this:
On November 03 2012 02:37 kushm4sta wrote:
I don't like the muso bandwagon.
KID WATCHING TV. It seems unlikely that scum would come up with that role name, especially since the first claim was Jessica rabbit. And it fits my non character vt theory really well.
On November 03 2012 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:
Ah shit that is a flow claim.
The role names are valuable as fuck..don't see why people don't realize that.
Carrot sounds good to me.
##unvote
this is just drazak being drazak (Sry about double zs before)
On November 03 2012 06:08 kushm4sta wrote:
##vote muso
cause there's no one else
On November 04 2012 03:00 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 02:58 DarthPunk wrote:On November 04 2012 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:On November 04 2012 02:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Did you think Muso was town when you voted for him?
yes You knew he was town? and still voted for him? If so why? I did not know he was town. I thought it was town. I voted him because I thought there was a better chance for him to flip red than drazak. Him and drazak were the only options. There was also prome, MAYBE but I didn't like the case on prpl.
Why did you find CARROT a better claim than "Kid watching TV"? Despite
On November 03 2012 06:02 kushm4sta wrote:
Tnt is the most obvious one lol
2. Why was "Punch clock" a good claim at the time, but given more time it was a terrible claim.
Does "Punch clock" being a terrible claim affect the validity of carrot being a good claim?
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On November 08 2012 04:08 Acrofales wrote:
I'm still in the process of elimination, but my town list corresponds quite a bit to Kush's. I have Kush down as scum or town, unlikely SK.
In any case, I don't see how we can get around flipping Drazak. He has pretty much claimed scum. The few theories I have left for solving this game revolve around his flip. If he's goon or roleblocker, I feel Kush is town. If he flips framer, then Kush is a likely scum candidate. If he flips town then my world is rocked, but even then I feel town wins this game.
Oh, and fuck you risk: I don't claim to people I think have a good chance of being scum.
Wow, get hostile much?
There are no blues to protect. Might aswell hear everyones claims.
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On November 08 2012 04:32 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 04:08 Acrofales wrote:
I'm still in the process of elimination, but my town list corresponds quite a bit to Kush's. I have Kush down as scum or town, unlikely SK.
In any case, I don't see how we can get around flipping Drazak. He has pretty much claimed scum. The few theories I have left for solving this game revolve around his flip. If he's goon or roleblocker, I feel Kush is town. If he flips framer, then Kush is a likely scum candidate. If he flips town then my world is rocked, but even then I feel town wins this game.
Oh, and fuck you risk: I don't claim to people I think have a good chance of being scum. Wow, get hostile much? There are no blues to protect. Might aswell hear everyones claims.
Yet we had 3 claimed roleblocks yesterday. All fakeclaims or scum roleblockers?
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On November 08 2012 04:32 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 04:08 Acrofales wrote:
I'm still in the process of elimination, but my town list corresponds quite a bit to Kush's. I have Kush down as scum or town, unlikely SK.
In any case, I don't see how we can get around flipping Drazak. He has pretty much claimed scum. The few theories I have left for solving this game revolve around his flip. If he's goon or roleblocker, I feel Kush is town. If he flips framer, then Kush is a likely scum candidate. If he flips town then my world is rocked, but even then I feel town wins this game.
Oh, and fuck you risk: I don't claim to people I think have a good chance of being scum. Wow, get hostile much? There are no blues to protect. Might aswell hear everyones claims.
You are bluehunting and it looks even worse than when Kush as doing it.
And yes, I was hostile, because I had you down as a better player than Kush.
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On November 08 2012 04:20 Acrofales wrote:@Kush: I did have some further questions for you regarding your flavour. 1. Explain this: Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 02:37 kushm4sta wrote:
I don't like the muso bandwagon.
KID WATCHING TV. It seems unlikely that scum would come up with that role name, especially since the first claim was Jessica rabbit. And it fits my non character vt theory really well. Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:
Ah shit that is a flow claim.
The role names are valuable as fuck..don't see why people don't realize that.
Carrot sounds good to me.
##unvote
this is just drazak being drazak (Sry about double zs before) Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:08 kushm4sta wrote:
##vote muso
cause there's no one else Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 03:00 kushm4sta wrote:On November 04 2012 02:58 DarthPunk wrote:On November 04 2012 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:On November 04 2012 02:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Did you think Muso was town when you voted for him?
yes You knew he was town? and still voted for him? If so why? I did not know he was town. I thought it was town. I voted him because I thought there was a better chance for him to flip red than drazak. Him and drazak were the only options. There was also prome, MAYBE but I didn't like the case on prpl. Why did you find CARROT a better claim than "Kid watching TV"? Despite 2. Why was "Punch clock" a good claim at the time, but given more time it was a terrible claim. Does "Punch clock" being a terrible claim affect the validity of carrot being a good claim?
Carrot was a better claim than kid watching tv. I wasn't really sure about the nature of VT names at the time. I thought they might all be props. So kid watching TV could be SK or anything really.
TNT is more obvious than carrot. How did I come to that conclusion? Well I tried to think of one myself and came up with TNT.
Punch clock seemed like a good claim at the time because it wasn't something obvious. Like if I was scum and going to fake claim, I would pick something obvious like TNT.
Given more time though, maybe I would have realized that punch clock rarely shows up in the cartoons. I remember only one looney toons featuring a punch clock.
Actually I probably still would have believed it given more time lol. Punch clock is a good claim. Maybe they got fake claims but I doubt it.
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You're accusing me of bluehunting when we have an army of them outed already. There are no blues left unless this town have more blues then vt's.
And it still doesn't explain why you got so upset.
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Risk why dont you claim first if you want a massclaim
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On November 08 2012 04:55 kushm4sta wrote:
Risk why dont you claim first if you want a massclaim
There is no point unless people agree to do it.
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Kush: do you think WBG made this game breakable by flavour? That seems unlikely.
Thrawn: can you explain your scum read of me as anything more than 'seems to be so town it might be forced'
On November 08 2012 03:20 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 03:13 Promethelax wrote:On November 08 2012 03:12 Acrofales wrote:On November 08 2012 03:11 Promethelax wrote:On November 08 2012 03:03 Acrofales wrote:On November 08 2012 02:15 Promethelax wrote:
Fuba's theory of Kush=sk is possible if we assume that thrawn is town and he did get a green check on Kush but mafia framed him that night they would know 1)kush=sk and 2)he took bullet proof, this means that Scum could rb me tonight and, instead of holding their shot shoot off the SK's bullet proof. Errr, why would scum have to RB you tonight? Don't you mean they could RB HIM and shoot his bulletproof off? However, all of this is Wildly WIFOM. Lets work with what we know instead of dreaming up hypotheticals. FIRST we need to find a framer. If Fuba is scum: he RBs me, scum shoot off SKs bullet proof and get town cred for being a confirmed JK. Wild WIFOM. And where did Kush's kill go? Either hits a protect or he was RB'd (which Kush was). You are REALLY not thinking straight, just to make this theory work. It doesn't. If the kill was protected, are you adding a medic role into the process? If he was roleblocked, who roleblocked him (or alternatively, who roleblocked Release)? Note, you can't use mkfuba, because he was busy roleblocking you and fakeclaiming in the process. You are not only wifoming it up, but you are adding roles. Why do you want fuba to be scum so badly?
Someone did rb Kush (he claims) and someone rb'd Release. So these roles do exist. (the medic is a stretch I agree). Mostly I'm trying to work out all the possibilities and Fuba as scum RB is one of them, however unlikely.
On November 08 2012 02:58 Acrofales wrote:
Ah, I see a problem. There is a roleblock missing in N1, even if Mattchew didn't use his.
3 possibilities:
1. Someone got RB'd but didn't claim. If this was Zealos' target we'll never know.
2. One of the RBers got RB'd.
3. Prom or I got doublestack RB'd.
I'm guessing number 3. I can see a scum RBing Prom and a town RBing prom. Scum bluehunting while enough of town had doubts about Prom being scum. However, rather a lot of wifom here.
or Matt or Zealos got rb'd, probably Matt since we assume he didn't use his RB. Gah. This is too much on my brain.
On November 08 2012 03:38 risk.nuke wrote:Prom you're way pushing my "I'm warming up to you" alot. Who is the last two mafia and who is the SK. (I don't buy into theories involving additional blues, we already have an army of them) Remaining players:Myself thrawn2112 Promethalax DarthPunk Acrofales mkfuba07 drazak kushm4sta Release People have been requestiong them so are are my overall thoughts: Town: thrawn2112, kushm4sta. + Show Spoiler +I belive thrawns claim and while kushm4sta is a terrible player he's done nothing to warrant doubting a greencheck.
Okay, sorry I'm over pushing that. I read it as a burgeoning town read not as a 'not as scummy as some other dudes' read. I guess I was wrong. I would love some descriptors to explain why your lists are what they are.
Acro: could you post your town scum reads, which ones differ from Kush's?
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Okay, I think I've let this RB thing mind fuck me too much. The hell with where all the RBs came from. I think a mass claim is a good idea. We have so many blues outed already I think it is time to rely on our play and not our powers. If at least one more unclaimed person (besides me and Risk) agree I think we should all claim, Risk: you would claim if I did, right?
Risk, baby, why do you think thrawn's claim is better than fuba's? If you think fuba fake claimed am I more likely to be scum with him in an incredible gambit or town and the target of said gambit and, likewise, if I am town what does that say about him and what would it say if I were scum?
Acro, would you claim too? I don't think it is worth our time protecting blue roles anymore. Our play is much more important and our over reliance on keeping blues secret is as dumb as Kush's names. We as a town should be able to bone this scum team without hiding our roles. This is a set-up where there are too many blues and I think making the mafia fake claim now so that they can't at lynch helps us a lot more than hiding what roles remain.
Unclaimed: Me and Acro (roles), Risk, DP and Release (roles and names)
This list comprises most of the people who anyone finds scummy in fact I'll be willing to bet that at least one scum and quite probably another or the SK is in the Risk/DP/Release group.
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