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On October 21 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 00:46 Hapahauli wrote:
Yah I'm a bit surprised at how little Kei has contributed so far. Early D1 caveats of course, but I always had the impression that his town play was very active on the early days.
It was friday night. I went out. I wasn't expecting the game to start yesterday, and I wasn't going to change my plans anyways. Also, that's such a blanket statement (and not even necessarily a true one...I've not been super active early in like half of my games), that has absolutely nothing to do with my alignment. I was "very active" in the early game as scum too. So what was the point of even saying that?
Oh hai again - I actually completely forgot about your GSL I game as scum (even though you specifically talked to me about it before >>).
But I am curious what you think of DP's "plan" from an alignment perspective. We all had rather harsh things to say about it, but I think it's pretty townie. Et toi?
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On October 21 2012 01:34 Z-BosoN wrote:Well I got sniped. Anyways, Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:On October 21 2012 00:46 Hapahauli wrote:
Yah I'm a bit surprised at how little Kei has contributed so far. Early D1 caveats of course, but I always had the impression that his town play was very active on the early days.
It was friday night. I went out. I wasn't expecting the game to start yesterday, and I wasn't going to change my plans anyways. Also, that's such a blanket statement (and not even necessarily a true one...I've not been super active early in like half of my games), that has absolutely nothing to do with my alignment. I was "very active" in the early game as scum too. So what was the point of even saying that? On October 20 2012 23:58 Z-BosoN wrote:
Right now I'm more interested in Keirathi. Made this one easy-to-make post, and didn't really stick around, made no other comments. This seems to me like too easy of a post for someone like Keir to make, and doesn't seem genuine.
What the fuck does that even mean? "Someone like Keir"? And also, explain how that post isn't genuine, please. Darth's post, pre-explanation, made absolutely zero sense, and I disagreed with him asking it. Post-explanation, it was still dumb and never going to accomplish what he said his "goal" was, but at least I understand his reasoning now. Anyways, its gameday. I'll be around off and on today, but not sitting at the computer all day. Why the overreaction? I found your post to be an useless agreement that didn't add anything, and your lack of follow-up even more suspicious. The underlined is why I didn't find it to be genuine, given that there were a string of posts after your own which dealt with it. I fully agree that it was dumb, but you left no opinion of it. That's just saying something and drawing no conclusions from it, and even worse, not looking like you want to draw any conclusions. I can be wrong here, but your post to me didn't feel genuine and I think that makes you suspicious.
What? I made it perfectly clear what my opinion on it was. It was a bullshit post, and I called it that, and wanted him to explain.
I was not, and am not, going to make any decisions about his alignment based on that. He at least provided a plausible explanation, even if it does feel a little "made up after-the-fact" because someone called him out on it. I don't think it makes him scummy, nor do I think it makes him town. What, exactly, is the point of saying "Yea, he's still neutral"?
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On October 21 2012 01:47 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:On October 21 2012 00:46 Hapahauli wrote:
Yah I'm a bit surprised at how little Kei has contributed so far. Early D1 caveats of course, but I always had the impression that his town play was very active on the early days.
It was friday night. I went out. I wasn't expecting the game to start yesterday, and I wasn't going to change my plans anyways. Also, that's such a blanket statement (and not even necessarily a true one...I've not been super active early in like half of my games), that has absolutely nothing to do with my alignment. I was "very active" in the early game as scum too. So what was the point of even saying that? Oh hai again - I actually completely forgot about your GSL I game as scum (even though you specifically talked to me about it before >>). But I am curious what you think of DP's "plan" from an alignment perspective. We all had rather harsh things to say about it, but I think it's pretty townie. Et toi?
See previous post.
Sticking around defending his actions = good.
Those actions feeling forced because he was called out = bad.
It's a wash.
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@Hapa
I see now, you referred to his over-thought out plan as "incomprehensible logic". Not gonna sweat over your choice of words, but I felt that needed some clearing up. You're obviously not scum... right? right??
@iamperfection
Do you still find DP to be scum now that you have woken up?
@Keirathi
Ok, I'm not buying.
On October 21 2012 01:47 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 01:34 Z-BosoN wrote:Well I got sniped. Anyways, On October 21 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:On October 21 2012 00:46 Hapahauli wrote:
Yah I'm a bit surprised at how little Kei has contributed so far. Early D1 caveats of course, but I always had the impression that his town play was very active on the early days.
It was friday night. I went out. I wasn't expecting the game to start yesterday, and I wasn't going to change my plans anyways. Also, that's such a blanket statement (and not even necessarily a true one...I've not been super active early in like half of my games), that has absolutely nothing to do with my alignment. I was "very active" in the early game as scum too. So what was the point of even saying that? On October 20 2012 23:58 Z-BosoN wrote:
Right now I'm more interested in Keirathi. Made this one easy-to-make post, and didn't really stick around, made no other comments. This seems to me like too easy of a post for someone like Keir to make, and doesn't seem genuine.
What the fuck does that even mean? "Someone like Keir"? And also, explain how that post isn't genuine, please. Darth's post, pre-explanation, made absolutely zero sense, and I disagreed with him asking it. Post-explanation, it was still dumb and never going to accomplish what he said his "goal" was, but at least I understand his reasoning now. Anyways, its gameday. I'll be around off and on today, but not sitting at the computer all day. Why the overreaction? I found your post to be an useless agreement that didn't add anything, and your lack of follow-up even more suspicious. The underlined is why I didn't find it to be genuine, given that there were a string of posts after your own which dealt with it. I fully agree that it was dumb, but you left no opinion of it. That's just saying something and drawing no conclusions from it, and even worse, not looking like you want to draw any conclusions. I can be wrong here, but your post to me didn't feel genuine and I think that makes you suspicious. What? I made it perfectly clear what my opinion on it was. It was a bullshit post, and I called it that, and wanted him to explain. I was not, and am not, going to make any decisions about his alignment based on that. He at least provided a plausible explanation, even if it does feel a little "made up after-the-fact" because someone called him out on it. I don't think it makes him scummy, nor do I think it makes him town. What, exactly, is the point of saying "Yea, he's still neutral"?
The point is not to say "he's still neutral".
It's just a reasonable thing to inquire from you. You ask someone to answer for something, this someone answers it, and it's expected that you post a follow-up. You find something weird enough to call bullshit on, and just like that you don't bother again, and actually feel like this is warranted later on? I'm not buying your defense here.
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On October 21 2012 01:59 Z-BosoN wrote:
The point is not to say "he's still neutral".
It's just a reasonable thing to inquire from you. You ask someone to answer for something, this someone answers it, and it's expected that you post a follow-up. You find something weird enough to call bullshit on, and just like that you don't bother again, and actually feel like this is warranted later on? I'm not buying your defense here.
Your whole problem seems to be that I left instead of sticking around discussing things.
I'm not going to keep responding to you here. I had plans. I wasn't going to cancel them because the game started semi-unexpectedly. If you have a problem with that, then tough titties.
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On October 21 2012 01:59 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Hapa
I see now, you referred to his over-thought out plan as "incomprehensible logic". Not gonna sweat over your choice of words, but I felt that needed some clearing up. You're obviously not scum... right? right??
I be like town yo. You can so take my word for it =D
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On October 21 2012 02:07 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 01:59 Z-BosoN wrote:
The point is not to say "he's still neutral".
It's just a reasonable thing to inquire from you. You ask someone to answer for something, this someone answers it, and it's expected that you post a follow-up. You find something weird enough to call bullshit on, and just like that you don't bother again, and actually feel like this is warranted later on? I'm not buying your defense here. Your whole problem seems to be that I left instead of sticking around discussing things. I'm not going to keep responding to you here. I had plans. I wasn't going to cancel them because the game started semi-unexpectedly. If you have a problem with that, then tough titties.
That's fine. I'd have been off your tail already if not for this:
What, exactly, is the point of saying "Yea, he's still neutral"?
It seems like an additional and unneeded excuse for not following up your inquiries on DP.
Drawing conclusions != giving out alignments.
I have my eye on you.
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On October 21 2012 02:32 Z-BosoN wrote:
Where's marv btw
No idea - haven't seen him on IRC recently =/
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
Vote Count!
DarthPunk (2) - Drazak, iamperfection
Not Voting (7) - Keirathi, Hapahauli, DarthPunk, Marvellosity, austinmcc, vaderseven, Z-Boson
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Day ends when a majority is reached.
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
As a gentle reminder, all players must post in the thread once every 48 hours while they are alive, and there are no deadlines for voting.
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lol, my vote was a pre-game joke.
##Unvote
Let's not die guys. This game will take forever if it's this inactive.
Austin, you've played with Kei in liquid city. What do you make of him?
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
Oh, my bad, will edit votecount appropriately
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Hi guys! This game started at like an anti-timing for me. I've just read through the thread but I'm somewhat drunk so I don't really remember very much.
Basically nothing overly productive is gonna happen until I sit down properly tomorrow, but if anyone wanna asks me anything in particular before I beddify shortly then I'm game.
+ Show Spoiler +
Lots of gin and then wine after winning my county chess match today Hapa (i;m easly pleased). Managed to outplay this dude so hard and even had a brainfart in the middle of the game and gave away a whole rook and still won :x
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On October 21 2012 06:24 Z-BosoN wrote:
lol, my vote was a pre-game joke.
##Unvote
Let's not die guys. This game will take forever if it's this inactive.
Austin, you've played with Kei in liquid city. What do you make of him?
I don't remember kei in LC tbh. I was mostly inactive D1, came back looking at those couple specific people, died before I had a good handle on the full game.
Kei from Aperture 2 I feel like is a solid townie as far as being active, looking town, once the game starts. Not...the type of player who takes advantage of that, though? Basically was the towniest person in game, was going to get protection, but kind of let spammier people take over and direct the flow of the game, and noticed that that was happening (kei, your game was much more fun when we were scumhunting than claiming/solving the game bit). I expect some good and insightful posts from him, but I haven't seen him be particularly aggressive.
I think we also played...rockband? And maybe another game? I'll have to look through. I don't have a big meta handle on keirathi, but I'm also not generally good at catching people via meta or even USING meta. I mainly focus on picking out odd questions, or questions that never got pursued. That seems to be when I'm most effective, and so I'm going to try and mine the thread hard for things that stick out.
Right now, and I haven't looked at his past play recently, but v7 is sticking out to me somewhat. The DP stuff was EASY to mine for activity last night, poke at it poke at it poke at it. And very safe too, because the way he started to flop around felt townie, so you could attack attack attack and just say "Eh, his flopping around townie." A couple of us did that, but DP has almost only talked about his past games and the DP stuff last night. (AND THEN HE MAY HAVE SPOILED GSL, UNSURE, I AIN'T CLICKING THAT UNTIL I WATCH)
There's nothing more than that to go on, but out of all the people who have some posts, his feel like there's the least in them.
Not relevant to anything that's happening, but spoilered for DP and so thread can see my thought process:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 20 2012 14:00 DarthPunk wrote:
So what you are saying is that me asking the only person in the thread at that point makes less sense than calling for a mass claim 30 mins into day one.
0_o I asked if you thought he was scum because of this On October 20 2012 13:20 DarthPunk wrote:
If there was even the slightest chance that draz was scum and would be less comfortable fake claiming it was a better play than the alternative IMO.
I am done with this. You don't agree. so be it.
If you didn't have any particular reason to believe draz was scum, then I was uncertain why you'd only ask HIM to roleclaim. The logic that this was a better play than not asking people would hold true for everyone, so if you were REALLY hanging your hat on "asking and making them claim VT is helpful" then you should have been asking EVERYONE, unless you had particular scumreads. That's why I ask, because that logic that you gave wasn't draz-specific, yet your question WAS draz-specific. There's a disconnect there, that I felt like would be addressed if you actually thought he was scum. I think asking ONE person this thing that you think is good to get answers to is weird, because you SHOULD be thinking it's good to ask every person in the game that.
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On October 21 2012 07:59 marvellosity wrote:Hi guys! This game started at like an anti-timing for me. I've just read through the thread but I'm somewhat drunk so I don't really remember very much. Basically nothing overly productive is gonna happen until I sit down properly tomorrow, but if anyone wanna asks me anything in particular before I beddify shortly then I'm game. + Show Spoiler +
Lots of gin and then wine after winning my county chess match today Hapa (i;m easly pleased). Managed to outplay this dude so hard and even had a brainfart in the middle of the game and gave away a whole rook and still won :x
I'm just gonna note that the SC2 personalities are town here, and the LoL (non-SC2) personalities are anti-town.
Chess is not SC2. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Realized just saying "Man, this guy hasn't said much" isn't going to do anything.
##Vote: vaderseven
Much of your posting is just about DP last night, and everyone seems to have concluded that DP is town because of how he explained/tried to explain himself. That was just easy activity and an easy way to make it look like you cared about something.
That applies to me too. We can all be suspicious of EVERYONE who has basically only been active for that.
drazak.
There was a lot of discussion about DP last night. In light of that discussion, do you still feel that your vote is on scum? If so, why?
If not, out of the players who were poking at DP tonight, who looks the scummiest in the way they interacted with DP?
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
Vote Count!
DarthPunk (2) - Drazak, iamperfection
vaderseven (1) - austinmcc
Not Voting (6) - Keirathi, Hapahauli, DarthPunk, Marvellosity, vaderseven, Z-Boson
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Day ends when a majority is reached.
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OK. It was a passing comment. Not a plan. And the reasoning I gave was not the primary motive for the comment. The primary motive was to just throw something out there and stimulate discussion. Mission Successful I guess. The reasoning I gave was the motive behind asking Role over just alignment.
People say that my reasoning is bad/ illogical. Fine. I disagree. But either way that you look at it, it was clearly town motivated.
That being said I, like others, Tend to believe at least one scum used that situation to hide and fake contribute in. Hapa's meta read aside. I find Drazak's actions difficult to reconcile with a townie mind set.
He jumped all to easily on perfections wagon and seemed to actually believe I was scum. Then when pressured, played it off as meaningless and stimulating discussion. Then when the pressure was back on me I am scum again.
He is all too obvious in moving with the sway of the thread rather than having his own beliefs and sticking to them/trying to convince others.
Furthermore. He dropped a vote that may/ may not have been in order to stimulate discussion parks it there and disappears. which is VERY silly in light of the lynch mechanics.
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