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On October 21 2012 11:46 drazak wrote:
I certainly didn't call you town, I said I didn't think you ARE mafia, I have a pretty neutral read on you, I think you got a little too defensive for a townie after your initial questioning was found as illogical.
If you say I am not scum. That is caling me town. There are only two options. Now you are saying I am scum again. After you said I wasn't scum. Man you can;t keep your story straight.
You said you were going to take some time to see whom you would pressure next. Got any one? or you just going to keep your vote on someone you don't think is scum?
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On October 21 2012 12:14 Hapahauli wrote:
ok I may or may not be sober now due to a certain college football rivalry game but w/e
I don't think Drazzzz's vote is scummy - he's voting you to generate discussion, and townies are capable of doing weird stuff like that (for those of you who have played with kush, see his filter in all his games). Plus, it's not like he's voting DP and he thinks DP is town. Big difference.
That is exactly what it is like. If you say you don't think someone is scum. You are saying they are town. He is voting for someone who he says is town.
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On October 21 2012 12:17 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 12:14 Hapahauli wrote:
ok I may or may not be sober now due to a certain college football rivalry game but w/e
I don't think Drazzzz's vote is scummy - he's voting you to generate discussion, and townies are capable of doing weird stuff like that (for those of you who have played with kush, see his filter in all his games). Plus, it's not like he's voting DP and he thinks DP is town. Big difference. That is exactly what it is like. If you say you don't think someone is scum. You are saying they are town. He is voting for someone who he says is town.
Eh I think Drazzzzz's explanation makes sense. Saying someone is "not scum" may just be poor word choice for a null read. Having coached him, I also think this could come from a townie version of him as well. A lot of this is biased by my town-read on him based on his increased interest/activity from previous games.
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On October 21 2012 12:14 Hapahauli wrote:ok I may or may not be sober now due to a certain college football rivalry game but w/e I don't think Drazzzz's vote is scummy - he's voting you to generate discussion, and townies are capable of doing weird stuff like that (for those of you who have played with kush, see his filter in all his games). Plus, it's not like he's voting DP and he thinks DP is town. Big difference. Aaaaaaanywho, I'm rather interested in iamperfection right now. He's usually much more interested in games as town, and his lurkiness early in the game lines up with his mafia-meta pretty well. ##Vote iamperfection Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:On October 21 2012 02:10 Hapahauli wrote:On October 21 2012 01:59 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Hapa
I see now, you referred to his over-thought out plan as "incomprehensible logic". Not gonna sweat over your choice of words, but I felt that needed some clearing up. You're obviously not scum... right? right?? I be like town yo. You can so take my word for it =D + Show Spoiler + FU hapa. You look town as scum. I read through XXI you looked so town, that even when you outed yourself as scum you looked townie townie town town. *giggles* @ MarvI will get my chess revenge damnit. But grats!
such bad manners im trying to read filters right now
Let me get the iamperfection activity myth squashed right now so it will be clear for all future games since im town this game. It is true my activity does usually lack as scum but across the board my activity usually lacks day 1 in all my games. Thats why i try to be aggressive and usally attack some bullshit early on i attacked shaopi in liquid city very early and i attacked dp here. If you look across my games where i was town recently i always do the same thing attack early rockband, liquidcity and here. so if you really want to find out if im scum your just going to have to wait but you dont have to worry about because im not.
Now to more pressing topics.
This drazak kid falls into the category of saying such dumb stuff that he must be town is what im thinking. I remember from liquid city and my newbie games that saying dumb stuff is not a scum tell and in fact it usally means the opposite. Also i cant imagine this game where there are 2 scum and the player list that we have that drazak would continue to say dumb stuff like he has so i would have to say town for him.
Darthpunk also reads as town to me because of many of his posts seem to be trying to figure out alignments and he promotes discussion namely here
On October 20 2012 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Perfection. You called me out and wanted to know more and Have now disappeared. You satisfied with my explanation? got anything else to add. Or you going to drop a vote and AFK?
This post reads as super town to me as in he dosent attack me for simply throwing a vote out there and he wants me to be clearer with my thinking i like that so i will say town for him as well.
also dp said some dumb stuff as well.
## Unvote
As for scum i really like the points that austin brought up about vaderseven. He really talks about himself a lot in his first few posts and not really much at all concerning this game
I wants this sob to talk.
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also who's here right now to talk?
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come on hapa you were here like 5 mins ago i'm bored lets go.
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On October 21 2012 09:45 drazak wrote:
So scum are wishywashy (if I unvoted you), but deciding to keep pressure on you is also scummy? You sir are trying to set a trap to catch a townie, not catch scum.
also stop thinking like this. I think it would in fact meant the opposite. As long as you give logical reasons on why your changing your vote its not scummy in my view it would show that your trying to figure stuff.
Just because i think your town because of the stupid stuff that dosen't give you an excuse to keep doing it shape up.
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Oh well you just solved the activity problem, sweet.
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I will agree with you on Vaderseven. He's done the least of everyone so far, except for marv. And marv being lurky is unlike his town or scum alignments, so Idunno wats up with that.
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This drazak kid falls into the category of saying such dumb stuff that he must be town is what im thinking. I remember from liquid city and my newbie games that saying dumb stuff is not a scum tell and in fact it usally means the opposite. Also i cant imagine this game where there are 2 scum and the player list that we have that drazak would continue to say dumb stuff like he has so i would have to say town for him.
Oh, and Idunno if I'd go THAT far. Mafia are capable of saying stupid things as well, though I do think he's town based on his interest levels. The question is whether he maintains his activity or not.
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On October 21 2012 12:58 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +This drazak kid falls into the category of saying such dumb stuff that he must be town is what im thinking. I remember from liquid city and my newbie games that saying dumb stuff is not a scum tell and in fact it usally means the opposite. Also i cant imagine this game where there are 2 scum and the player list that we have that drazak would continue to say dumb stuff like he has so i would have to say town for him. Oh, and Idunno if I'd go THAT far. Mafia are capable of saying stupid things as well, though I do think he's town based on his interest levels. The question is whether he maintains his activity or not.
i dont think so ive have seen this a lot espcially in my newbie games and it seems drazak is right out his newbies. The only person i remember saying dumb stuff on purpose was yourharry and he did that to match his meta.
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On October 21 2012 13:01 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 12:58 Hapahauli wrote:This drazak kid falls into the category of saying such dumb stuff that he must be town is what im thinking. I remember from liquid city and my newbie games that saying dumb stuff is not a scum tell and in fact it usally means the opposite. Also i cant imagine this game where there are 2 scum and the player list that we have that drazak would continue to say dumb stuff like he has so i would have to say town for him. Oh, and Idunno if I'd go THAT far. Mafia are capable of saying stupid things as well, though I do think he's town based on his interest levels. The question is whether he maintains his activity or not. i dont think so ive have seen this a lot espcially in my newbie games and it seems drazak is right out his newbies. The only person i remember saying dumb stuff on purpose was yourharry and he did that to match his meta.
Nah mafia can say stupid stuff as well. Kush said silly things as town and scum. YourHarry in his most recent scum game also spouted off some stupid things, and not just to satisfy his meta. Saying stupid things is a null-tell alone.
Howwweva, looking at Draz's defenses to his "stupid" statements seem pretty townie. He instantly and calmly responds to accusations against him. There's no hint of hesitancy or over-defensiveness at all.
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On October 21 2012 13:09 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 13:01 iamperfection wrote:On October 21 2012 12:58 Hapahauli wrote:This drazak kid falls into the category of saying such dumb stuff that he must be town is what im thinking. I remember from liquid city and my newbie games that saying dumb stuff is not a scum tell and in fact it usally means the opposite. Also i cant imagine this game where there are 2 scum and the player list that we have that drazak would continue to say dumb stuff like he has so i would have to say town for him. Oh, and Idunno if I'd go THAT far. Mafia are capable of saying stupid things as well, though I do think he's town based on his interest levels. The question is whether he maintains his activity or not. i dont think so ive have seen this a lot espcially in my newbie games and it seems drazak is right out his newbies. The only person i remember saying dumb stuff on purpose was yourharry and he did that to match his meta. Nah mafia can say stupid stuff as well. Kush said silly things as town and scum. YourHarry in his most recent scum game also spouted off some stupid things, and not just to satisfy his meta. Saying stupid things is a null-tell alone. Howwweva, looking at Draz's defenses to his "stupid" statements seem pretty townie. He instantly and calmly responds to accusations against him. There's no hint of hesitancy or over-defensiveness at all.
Bleh. If you are reading him as town we are on completely different pages. Which townie in their right mind would keep a vote on someone they think is not scum? There is not rationalising that action with a townie mindset.
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On October 21 2012 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 13:09 Hapahauli wrote:On October 21 2012 13:01 iamperfection wrote:On October 21 2012 12:58 Hapahauli wrote:This drazak kid falls into the category of saying such dumb stuff that he must be town is what im thinking. I remember from liquid city and my newbie games that saying dumb stuff is not a scum tell and in fact it usally means the opposite. Also i cant imagine this game where there are 2 scum and the player list that we have that drazak would continue to say dumb stuff like he has so i would have to say town for him. Oh, and Idunno if I'd go THAT far. Mafia are capable of saying stupid things as well, though I do think he's town based on his interest levels. The question is whether he maintains his activity or not. i dont think so ive have seen this a lot espcially in my newbie games and it seems drazak is right out his newbies. The only person i remember saying dumb stuff on purpose was yourharry and he did that to match his meta. Nah mafia can say stupid stuff as well. Kush said silly things as town and scum. YourHarry in his most recent scum game also spouted off some stupid things, and not just to satisfy his meta. Saying stupid things is a null-tell alone. Howwweva, looking at Draz's defenses to his "stupid" statements seem pretty townie. He instantly and calmly responds to accusations against him. There's no hint of hesitancy or over-defensiveness at all. Bleh. If you are reading him as town we are on completely different pages. Which townie in their right mind would keep a vote on someone they think is not scum? There is not rationalising that action with a townie mindset.
a dumb one
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Also his defense each time is oh you must be scum and trying to trick me. Nothing townie about it. And your 'meta' read is bleh.
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On October 21 2012 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 13:09 Hapahauli wrote:On October 21 2012 13:01 iamperfection wrote:On October 21 2012 12:58 Hapahauli wrote:This drazak kid falls into the category of saying such dumb stuff that he must be town is what im thinking. I remember from liquid city and my newbie games that saying dumb stuff is not a scum tell and in fact it usally means the opposite. Also i cant imagine this game where there are 2 scum and the player list that we have that drazak would continue to say dumb stuff like he has so i would have to say town for him. Oh, and Idunno if I'd go THAT far. Mafia are capable of saying stupid things as well, though I do think he's town based on his interest levels. The question is whether he maintains his activity or not. i dont think so ive have seen this a lot espcially in my newbie games and it seems drazak is right out his newbies. The only person i remember saying dumb stuff on purpose was yourharry and he did that to match his meta. Nah mafia can say stupid stuff as well. Kush said silly things as town and scum. YourHarry in his most recent scum game also spouted off some stupid things, and not just to satisfy his meta. Saying stupid things is a null-tell alone. Howwweva, looking at Draz's defenses to his "stupid" statements seem pretty townie. He instantly and calmly responds to accusations against him. There's no hint of hesitancy or over-defensiveness at all. Bleh. If you are reading him as town we are on completely different pages. Which townie in their right mind would keep a vote on someone they think is not scum? There is not rationalising that action with a townie mindset.
It's a similar read to my read on you really. Newer townies aren't "tainted" sometimes have very creative reasons for voting people. In this case, Drazak is saying he's keeping his vote on a null read to generate discussion - I don't agree completely with the rationale, but I don't find that mindset scummy.
But it's good that you don't agree with me - it generates discussion and whatnot. I have more faith in Drazak's explanation than you do. Either way, I do want to hear more from him on the subject - can't hurt.
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On October 21 2012 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 13:09 Hapahauli wrote:On October 21 2012 13:01 iamperfection wrote:On October 21 2012 12:58 Hapahauli wrote:This drazak kid falls into the category of saying such dumb stuff that he must be town is what im thinking. I remember from liquid city and my newbie games that saying dumb stuff is not a scum tell and in fact it usally means the opposite. Also i cant imagine this game where there are 2 scum and the player list that we have that drazak would continue to say dumb stuff like he has so i would have to say town for him. Oh, and Idunno if I'd go THAT far. Mafia are capable of saying stupid things as well, though I do think he's town based on his interest levels. The question is whether he maintains his activity or not. i dont think so ive have seen this a lot espcially in my newbie games and it seems drazak is right out his newbies. The only person i remember saying dumb stuff on purpose was yourharry and he did that to match his meta. Nah mafia can say stupid stuff as well. Kush said silly things as town and scum. YourHarry in his most recent scum game also spouted off some stupid things, and not just to satisfy his meta. Saying stupid things is a null-tell alone. Howwweva, looking at Draz's defenses to his "stupid" statements seem pretty townie. He instantly and calmly responds to accusations against him. There's no hint of hesitancy or over-defensiveness at all. Bleh. If you are reading him as town we are on completely different pages. Which townie in their right mind would keep a vote on someone they think is not scum? There is not rationalising that action with a townie mindset.
Any time I see this argument now, I think of it like this:
Would a townie keep a vote on someone he said is not scummy? No.
Which a mafia keep a vote on someone he said is not scummy? No.
I don't think the action makes sense as either town OR scum, so it's not helpful to get a read on him. But I think if oversimplifying if you only ask what townie would to that, because you're ignoring that it doesn't make sense for scum either.
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EWBOP:
It's a similar read to my read on you really. Newer townies aren't "tainted" by the accepted town meta of TL. They sometimes have very creative reasons for voting people. In this case, Drazak is saying he's keeping his vote on a null read to generate discussion - I don't agree completely with the rationale, but I don't find that mindset scummy.
Fixed.
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On October 21 2012 13:14 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:On October 21 2012 13:09 Hapahauli wrote:On October 21 2012 13:01 iamperfection wrote:On October 21 2012 12:58 Hapahauli wrote:This drazak kid falls into the category of saying such dumb stuff that he must be town is what im thinking. I remember from liquid city and my newbie games that saying dumb stuff is not a scum tell and in fact it usally means the opposite. Also i cant imagine this game where there are 2 scum and the player list that we have that drazak would continue to say dumb stuff like he has so i would have to say town for him. Oh, and Idunno if I'd go THAT far. Mafia are capable of saying stupid things as well, though I do think he's town based on his interest levels. The question is whether he maintains his activity or not. i dont think so ive have seen this a lot espcially in my newbie games and it seems drazak is right out his newbies. The only person i remember saying dumb stuff on purpose was yourharry and he did that to match his meta. Nah mafia can say stupid stuff as well. Kush said silly things as town and scum. YourHarry in his most recent scum game also spouted off some stupid things, and not just to satisfy his meta. Saying stupid things is a null-tell alone. Howwweva, looking at Draz's defenses to his "stupid" statements seem pretty townie. He instantly and calmly responds to accusations against him. There's no hint of hesitancy or over-defensiveness at all. Bleh. If you are reading him as town we are on completely different pages. Which townie in their right mind would keep a vote on someone they think is not scum? There is not rationalising that action with a townie mindset. It's a similar read to my read on you really. Newer townies aren't "tainted" sometimes have very creative reasons for voting people. In this case, Drazak is saying he's keeping his vote on a null read to generate discussion - I don't agree completely with the rationale, but I don't find that mindset scummy. But it's good that you don't agree with me - it generates discussion and whatnot. I have more faith in Drazak's explanation than you do. Either way, I do want to hear more from him on the subject - can't hurt.
hapa thinks non-new townies are "tainted." Not a townie mindset. Scum hapa!
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On October 21 2012 13:13 DarthPunk wrote:
Also his defense each time is oh you must be scum and trying to trick me. Nothing townie about it. And your 'meta' read is bleh.
He's been eager to post so far. Eager makes me think town. Whether or not it was an early game ruse or not we'll figure out down the road, but for now, I think he's town.
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On October 21 2012 13:16 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 13:14 Hapahauli wrote:On October 21 2012 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:On October 21 2012 13:09 Hapahauli wrote:On October 21 2012 13:01 iamperfection wrote:On October 21 2012 12:58 Hapahauli wrote:This drazak kid falls into the category of saying such dumb stuff that he must be town is what im thinking. I remember from liquid city and my newbie games that saying dumb stuff is not a scum tell and in fact it usally means the opposite. Also i cant imagine this game where there are 2 scum and the player list that we have that drazak would continue to say dumb stuff like he has so i would have to say town for him. Oh, and Idunno if I'd go THAT far. Mafia are capable of saying stupid things as well, though I do think he's town based on his interest levels. The question is whether he maintains his activity or not. i dont think so ive have seen this a lot espcially in my newbie games and it seems drazak is right out his newbies. The only person i remember saying dumb stuff on purpose was yourharry and he did that to match his meta. Nah mafia can say stupid stuff as well. Kush said silly things as town and scum. YourHarry in his most recent scum game also spouted off some stupid things, and not just to satisfy his meta. Saying stupid things is a null-tell alone. Howwweva, looking at Draz's defenses to his "stupid" statements seem pretty townie. He instantly and calmly responds to accusations against him. There's no hint of hesitancy or over-defensiveness at all. Bleh. If you are reading him as town we are on completely different pages. Which townie in their right mind would keep a vote on someone they think is not scum? There is not rationalising that action with a townie mindset. It's a similar read to my read on you really. Newer townies aren't "tainted" sometimes have very creative reasons for voting people. In this case, Drazak is saying he's keeping his vote on a null read to generate discussion - I don't agree completely with the rationale, but I don't find that mindset scummy. But it's good that you don't agree with me - it generates discussion and whatnot. I have more faith in Drazak's explanation than you do. Either way, I do want to hear more from him on the subject - can't hurt. hapa thinks non-new townies are "tainted." Not a townie mindset. Scum hapa!
Damn you caught me! T_T
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