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Ahoy.
Haven't played with drazak or v7, although I've read some of the games that v7 played on TL. Looking forward to this game though, the format was interesting for the others, even if SOMEONE went and killed me early in the one I played.
There was some chat in obs and post-game after GSL Open 2 that everyone should read. We treated too many days as 72-hour days, never made the instant majority system work for us in that game. I don't want to play overly scared of votes or hitting majority, and I don't support any kind of policy where we're FOSing or some other pseudo-vote. I'd much prefer we vote, vote for reasons, and be held accountable for those votes and reasons.
+ Show Spoiler +nick being Nick 'breakycpk' Caras = /slowclap
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On October 20 2012 12:10 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:On October 20 2012 10:01 iamperfection wrote:Im all for using votes to apply pressure and we don't have to worry about someone doing a stupid hammer it wont happen. However all this policy talk bores me time for some action. On October 20 2012 09:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Hi drazak? What is your role?
blatant blue hunting darthpunk. Why not ask alignment instead of role? Talk to me darthpunk i wish to know more. ## Vote DarthPunk Every scum is going to claim green. If I ask role instead of alignment he can't fake claim later. Really you stand by that? You don't care about the alignment someone claims (and why should you at this stage of day 1, it would be joke posts at best)... and you want to peg someone on either claiming their role or lieing about in thread. When asked to explain it you don't fall back on 'jokepost lol' and instead give us this line about setting someone up to be caught in a lie? I r confused. Thats like too scummy in a bad way to be possibly true. I have to write it off as just stupid.
I completely agree with vader here.
I mean, DP, what if Draz is a blue. What do you expect him to say? Of course he's not going to claim a blue role (I hope), a few hours into day 1. So, he claims Progamer. Then he gets close to lynch, and says "Okay, I'm actually Nestea. Don't lynch me!". What are you going to do, lynch him because he lied and said he was progamer 3 hours into the game?
I call bullshit. You know that everyone is going to claim progamer just the same as everyone is going to claim green.
There were many acceptable replies iamp's accusation. Yours was not one of them.
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On October 20 2012 12:10 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:On October 20 2012 10:01 iamperfection wrote:Im all for using votes to apply pressure and we don't have to worry about someone doing a stupid hammer it wont happen. However all this policy talk bores me time for some action. On October 20 2012 09:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Hi drazak? What is your role?
blatant blue hunting darthpunk. Why not ask alignment instead of role? Talk to me darthpunk i wish to know more. ## Vote DarthPunk Every scum is going to claim green. If I ask role instead of alignment he can't fake claim later. Really you stand by that? You don't care about the alignment someone claims (and why should you at this stage of day 1, it would be joke posts at best)... and you want to peg someone on either claiming their role or lieing about in thread. When asked to explain it you don't fall back on 'jokepost lol' and instead give us this line about setting someone up to be caught in a lie? I r confused. Thats like too scummy in a bad way to be possibly true. I have to write it off as just stupid.
If he is scum it would have made him uncomfortable and potentially reduces his options. It was obviously a throwaway line
but like most things I post there was some further motivation behind it. Not just: 'what role r u?LOLOLOL'
It was some small amount of pressure early. No blue is going to claim. No scum is going to claim. People are reading way too much into this.
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On October 20 2012 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
It was some small amount of pressure early. No blue is going to claim. No scum is going to claim.
Sounds like an amazing plan right there!
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On October 20 2012 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 12:10 vaderseven wrote:On October 20 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:On October 20 2012 10:01 iamperfection wrote:Im all for using votes to apply pressure and we don't have to worry about someone doing a stupid hammer it wont happen. However all this policy talk bores me time for some action. On October 20 2012 09:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Hi drazak? What is your role?
blatant blue hunting darthpunk. Why not ask alignment instead of role? Talk to me darthpunk i wish to know more. ## Vote DarthPunk Every scum is going to claim green. If I ask role instead of alignment he can't fake claim later. Really you stand by that? You don't care about the alignment someone claims (and why should you at this stage of day 1, it would be joke posts at best)... and you want to peg someone on either claiming their role or lieing about in thread. When asked to explain it you don't fall back on 'jokepost lol' and instead give us this line about setting someone up to be caught in a lie? I r confused. Thats like too scummy in a bad way to be possibly true. I have to write it off as just stupid. If he is scum it would have made him uncomfortable and potentially reduces his options. It was obviously a throwaway line but like most things I post there was some further motivation behind it. Not just: 'what role r u?LOLOLOL' It was some small amount of pressure early. No blue is going to claim. No scum is going to claim. People are reading way too much into this.
If no blue is going to claim and no scum is going to claim, then what does this post even mean....
On October 20 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Every scum is going to claim green. If I ask role instead of alignment he can't fake claim later.
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Sounds like you're trying to look like you're scum hunting while not actually hunting.
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On October 20 2012 12:19 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 12:10 vaderseven wrote:On October 20 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:On October 20 2012 10:01 iamperfection wrote:Im all for using votes to apply pressure and we don't have to worry about someone doing a stupid hammer it wont happen. However all this policy talk bores me time for some action. On October 20 2012 09:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Hi drazak? What is your role?
blatant blue hunting darthpunk. Why not ask alignment instead of role? Talk to me darthpunk i wish to know more. ## Vote DarthPunk Every scum is going to claim green. If I ask role instead of alignment he can't fake claim later. Really you stand by that? You don't care about the alignment someone claims (and why should you at this stage of day 1, it would be joke posts at best)... and you want to peg someone on either claiming their role or lieing about in thread. When asked to explain it you don't fall back on 'jokepost lol' and instead give us this line about setting someone up to be caught in a lie? I r confused. Thats like too scummy in a bad way to be possibly true. I have to write it off as just stupid. I completely agree with vader here. I mean, DP, what if Draz is a blue. What do you expect him to say? Of course he's not going to claim a blue role (I hope), a few hours into day 1. So, he claims Progamer. Then he gets close to lynch, and says "Okay, I'm actually Nestea. Don't lynch me!". What are you going to do, lynch him because he lied and said he was progamer 3 hours into the game? I call bullshit. You know that everyone is going to claim progamer just the same as everyone is going to claim green.There were many acceptable replies iamp's accusation. Yours was not one of them.
Exactly everyone one is going to claim progamer. So what is the difference between asking their role and asking their alignment? Absolutely nothing aside from the fact that I thought if drazak happened to be scum it might put slightly more pressure on him.
This post was like at the very start of the game. I was putting on some small amount of pressure in order to stimulate discussion. If you don't like it. Too bad.
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edit: sorry just noticed it started
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On October 20 2012 12:24 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:On October 20 2012 12:10 vaderseven wrote:On October 20 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:On October 20 2012 10:01 iamperfection wrote:Im all for using votes to apply pressure and we don't have to worry about someone doing a stupid hammer it wont happen. However all this policy talk bores me time for some action. On October 20 2012 09:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Hi drazak? What is your role?
blatant blue hunting darthpunk. Why not ask alignment instead of role? Talk to me darthpunk i wish to know more. ## Vote DarthPunk Every scum is going to claim green. If I ask role instead of alignment he can't fake claim later. Really you stand by that? You don't care about the alignment someone claims (and why should you at this stage of day 1, it would be joke posts at best)... and you want to peg someone on either claiming their role or lieing about in thread. When asked to explain it you don't fall back on 'jokepost lol' and instead give us this line about setting someone up to be caught in a lie? I r confused. Thats like too scummy in a bad way to be possibly true. I have to write it off as just stupid. If he is scum it would have made him uncomfortable and potentially reduces his options. It was obviously a throwaway line but like most things I post there was some further motivation behind it. Not just: 'what role r u?LOLOLOL' It was some small amount of pressure early. No blue is going to claim. No scum is going to claim. People are reading way too much into this. If no blue is going to claim and no scum is going to claim, then what does this post even mean.... Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Every scum is going to claim green. If I ask role instead of alignment he can't fake claim later.
Meh. It might dissuade him from fake claiming as scum later. Blues are going to claim if they need to regardless because it is the truth. Scum would find it much more uncomfortable to fake claim and lie about it when the lie is already in the thread and makes it a much less desirable proposition. It makes sense to me.
Obviously none of it matters now as I have had to go into length about it.
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On October 20 2012 12:26 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 12:19 Keirathi wrote:On October 20 2012 12:10 vaderseven wrote:On October 20 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:On October 20 2012 10:01 iamperfection wrote:Im all for using votes to apply pressure and we don't have to worry about someone doing a stupid hammer it wont happen. However all this policy talk bores me time for some action. On October 20 2012 09:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Hi drazak? What is your role?
blatant blue hunting darthpunk. Why not ask alignment instead of role? Talk to me darthpunk i wish to know more. ## Vote DarthPunk Every scum is going to claim green. If I ask role instead of alignment he can't fake claim later. Really you stand by that? You don't care about the alignment someone claims (and why should you at this stage of day 1, it would be joke posts at best)... and you want to peg someone on either claiming their role or lieing about in thread. When asked to explain it you don't fall back on 'jokepost lol' and instead give us this line about setting someone up to be caught in a lie? I r confused. Thats like too scummy in a bad way to be possibly true. I have to write it off as just stupid. I completely agree with vader here. I mean, DP, what if Draz is a blue. What do you expect him to say? Of course he's not going to claim a blue role (I hope), a few hours into day 1. So, he claims Progamer. Then he gets close to lynch, and says "Okay, I'm actually Nestea. Don't lynch me!". What are you going to do, lynch him because he lied and said he was progamer 3 hours into the game? I call bullshit. You know that everyone is going to claim progamer just the same as everyone is going to claim green.There were many acceptable replies iamp's accusation. Yours was not one of them. Exactly everyone one is going to claim progamer. So what is the difference between asking their role and asking their alignment? Absolutely nothing aside from the fact that I thought if drazak happened to be scum it might put slightly more pressure on him. This post was like at the very start of the game. I was putting on some small amount of pressure in order to stimulate discussion. If you don't like it. Too bad.
I agree that this isn't really a scummy thing to have done, just a dumb one, but I think MOST of the reason we're getting on your case is that you basically claimed you were DOING something with it, that this somehow kept people from fakeclaiming:
On October 20 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Every scum is going to claim green. If I ask role instead of alignment he can't fake claim later.
when that's not true. You sort of made up a weird reason to justify your weird question, and are now going with a different explanation for your weird question.
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On October 20 2012 12:19 austinmcc wrote:Ahoy. Haven't played with drazak or v7, although I've read some of the games that v7 played on TL. Looking forward to this game though, the format was interesting for the others, even if SOMEONE went and killed me early in the one I played. There was some chat in obs and post-game after GSL Open 2 that everyone should read. We treated too many days as 72-hour days, never made the instant majority system work for us in that game. I don't want to play overly scared of votes or hitting majority, and I don't support any kind of policy where we're FOSing or some other pseudo-vote. I'd much prefer we vote, vote for reasons, and be held accountable for those votes and reasons. + Show Spoiler +nick being Nick 'breakycpk' Caras = /slowclap
don't be so nub and post closer to the day post.
On October 20 2012 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Perfection. You called me out and wanted to know more and Have now disappeared. You satisfied with my explanation? got anything else to add. Or you going to drop a vote and AFK?
No i wasn't really satisfied with your answer because it comes based on an assumption you made. but i would like more information. Epically after i heard more from drazak.
tell me have you played with him before?
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and as much as i would like to play mafia with all my good friends on a Friday night i must go to bed
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On October 20 2012 12:32 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 12:26 DarthPunk wrote:On October 20 2012 12:19 Keirathi wrote:On October 20 2012 12:10 vaderseven wrote:On October 20 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:On October 20 2012 10:01 iamperfection wrote:Im all for using votes to apply pressure and we don't have to worry about someone doing a stupid hammer it wont happen. However all this policy talk bores me time for some action. On October 20 2012 09:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Hi drazak? What is your role?
blatant blue hunting darthpunk. Why not ask alignment instead of role? Talk to me darthpunk i wish to know more. ## Vote DarthPunk Every scum is going to claim green. If I ask role instead of alignment he can't fake claim later. Really you stand by that? You don't care about the alignment someone claims (and why should you at this stage of day 1, it would be joke posts at best)... and you want to peg someone on either claiming their role or lieing about in thread. When asked to explain it you don't fall back on 'jokepost lol' and instead give us this line about setting someone up to be caught in a lie? I r confused. Thats like too scummy in a bad way to be possibly true. I have to write it off as just stupid. I completely agree with vader here. I mean, DP, what if Draz is a blue. What do you expect him to say? Of course he's not going to claim a blue role (I hope), a few hours into day 1. So, he claims Progamer. Then he gets close to lynch, and says "Okay, I'm actually Nestea. Don't lynch me!". What are you going to do, lynch him because he lied and said he was progamer 3 hours into the game? I call bullshit. You know that everyone is going to claim progamer just the same as everyone is going to claim green.There were many acceptable replies iamp's accusation. Yours was not one of them. Exactly everyone one is going to claim progamer. So what is the difference between asking their role and asking their alignment? Absolutely nothing aside from the fact that I thought if drazak happened to be scum it might put slightly more pressure on him. This post was like at the very start of the game. I was putting on some small amount of pressure in order to stimulate discussion. If you don't like it. Too bad. I agree that this isn't really a scummy thing to have done, just a dumb one, but I think MOST of the reason we're getting on your case is that you basically claimed you were DOING something with it, that this somehow kept people from fakeclaiming: Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Every scum is going to claim green. If I ask role instead of alignment he can't fake claim later. when that's not true. You sort of made up a weird reason to justify your weird question, and are now going with a different explanation for your weird question.
No. That is bullshit. There was a reason I asked role instead of alignment. Because it didn't matter and I thought there was an additional benefit in asking role in that it would make it far more uncomfortable for scum to fake claim later. As they would have to fake claim and be instantly under scrutiny for lying.
A blue is always going Claim if they need to because they are telling the truth
Ergo: The only difference in my mind between pressuring by asking role over alignment would be dissuading scum from fake claiming by causing that to be an awkward proposition.
I shouldn't have said 'can't' that is obviously false. I should have said dissuade.
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On October 20 2012 12:36 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 12:19 austinmcc wrote:Ahoy. Haven't played with drazak or v7, although I've read some of the games that v7 played on TL. Looking forward to this game though, the format was interesting for the others, even if SOMEONE went and killed me early in the one I played. There was some chat in obs and post-game after GSL Open 2 that everyone should read. We treated too many days as 72-hour days, never made the instant majority system work for us in that game. I don't want to play overly scared of votes or hitting majority, and I don't support any kind of policy where we're FOSing or some other pseudo-vote. I'd much prefer we vote, vote for reasons, and be held accountable for those votes and reasons. + Show Spoiler +nick being Nick 'breakycpk' Caras = /slowclap don't be so nub and post closer to the day post. Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Perfection. You called me out and wanted to know more and Have now disappeared. You satisfied with my explanation? got anything else to add. Or you going to drop a vote and AFK? No i wasn't really satisfied with your answer because it comes based on an assumption you made. but i would like more information. Epically after i heard more from drazak. tell me have you played with him before?
No I haven't played with him before. I think I mentioned this already. Why is that relevant?
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EBWOP: So somehow me explaining my motivation behind my post being based on an assumption I made is fallacious?
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You seem to not get that scum would just the very obv thing of claiming green now without a care for the future. Fake claims are not prepared this far in advance.
Thats such a "duh" that I am pretty sure anyone trying to think about your statement would have come to that conclusion.
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On October 20 2012 12:37 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 12:32 austinmcc wrote:On October 20 2012 12:26 DarthPunk wrote:On October 20 2012 12:19 Keirathi wrote:On October 20 2012 12:10 vaderseven wrote:On October 20 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:On October 20 2012 10:01 iamperfection wrote:Im all for using votes to apply pressure and we don't have to worry about someone doing a stupid hammer it wont happen. However all this policy talk bores me time for some action. On October 20 2012 09:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Hi drazak? What is your role?
blatant blue hunting darthpunk. Why not ask alignment instead of role? Talk to me darthpunk i wish to know more. ## Vote DarthPunk Every scum is going to claim green. If I ask role instead of alignment he can't fake claim later. Really you stand by that? You don't care about the alignment someone claims (and why should you at this stage of day 1, it would be joke posts at best)... and you want to peg someone on either claiming their role or lieing about in thread. When asked to explain it you don't fall back on 'jokepost lol' and instead give us this line about setting someone up to be caught in a lie? I r confused. Thats like too scummy in a bad way to be possibly true. I have to write it off as just stupid. I completely agree with vader here. I mean, DP, what if Draz is a blue. What do you expect him to say? Of course he's not going to claim a blue role (I hope), a few hours into day 1. So, he claims Progamer. Then he gets close to lynch, and says "Okay, I'm actually Nestea. Don't lynch me!". What are you going to do, lynch him because he lied and said he was progamer 3 hours into the game? I call bullshit. You know that everyone is going to claim progamer just the same as everyone is going to claim green.There were many acceptable replies iamp's accusation. Yours was not one of them. Exactly everyone one is going to claim progamer. So what is the difference between asking their role and asking their alignment? Absolutely nothing aside from the fact that I thought if drazak happened to be scum it might put slightly more pressure on him. This post was like at the very start of the game. I was putting on some small amount of pressure in order to stimulate discussion. If you don't like it. Too bad. I agree that this isn't really a scummy thing to have done, just a dumb one, but I think MOST of the reason we're getting on your case is that you basically claimed you were DOING something with it, that this somehow kept people from fakeclaiming: On October 20 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Every scum is going to claim green. If I ask role instead of alignment he can't fake claim later. when that's not true. You sort of made up a weird reason to justify your weird question, and are now going with a different explanation for your weird question. No. That is bullshit. There was a reason I asked role instead of alignment. Because it didn't matter and I thought there was an additional benefit in asking role in that it would make it far more uncomfortable for scum to fake claim later. As they would have to fake claim and be instantly under scrutiny for lying. A blue is always going Claim if they need to because they are telling the truth Ergo: The only difference in my mind between pressuring by asking role over alignment would be dissuading scum from fake claiming by causing that to be an awkward proposition. I shouldn't have said 'can't' that is obviously false. I should have said dissuade.
All blues will say they're green.
All scum will say they're green.
Later,
Blues will claim blue, "because they are telling the truth."
Scum will "be dissuaded from fake claiming" because "they will instantly be under scrutiny for lying"
Somehow scum will be under scrutiny for lying, but blues won't be under scrutiny for lying? Or scum will somehow feel that, by telling you in the first hours of the game that they were vt, they now can't claim to be anything else? Your reasoning just doesn't make sense.
Moreover, if your goal is to make scum feel pressure somehow, you'd ask everyone in thread. If the goal is to "put pressure on scum" in your mind, you'd make sure that you asked your question to everyone. By asking only one person, you're saying you wanted to put pressure on scum, when really you have no idea if you did that or not.
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That's the last I'll post on that because it's not going anywhere.
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On October 20 2012 12:42 vaderseven wrote:
You seem to not get that scum would just the very obv thing of claiming green now without a care for the future. Fake claims are not prepared this far in advance.
Thats such a "duh" that I am pretty sure anyone trying to think about your statement would have come to that conclusion.
Right. That assumption is like the basis of my reasoning in my previous posts. If they have already claimed green they are more likely to not fake claim later because it would seem that they have lied. Scum want to avoid that kind of suspicion. Blues won't care because they have a different mindset and are being truthful.
Therefore I felt that there was a slight advantage in asking for role over alignment.
In my mind if all other factors between asking for role/alignment are equal this small perceived advantage made me choose to ask for his role.
The only reason I am even going into such depth on my reasoning behind one throwaway sentence is that perfection thought I was trying to blue hunt.
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On October 20 2012 12:48 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 12:37 DarthPunk wrote:On October 20 2012 12:32 austinmcc wrote:On October 20 2012 12:26 DarthPunk wrote:On October 20 2012 12:19 Keirathi wrote:On October 20 2012 12:10 vaderseven wrote:On October 20 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:On October 20 2012 10:01 iamperfection wrote:Im all for using votes to apply pressure and we don't have to worry about someone doing a stupid hammer it wont happen. However all this policy talk bores me time for some action. On October 20 2012 09:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Hi drazak? What is your role?
blatant blue hunting darthpunk. Why not ask alignment instead of role? Talk to me darthpunk i wish to know more. ## Vote DarthPunk Every scum is going to claim green. If I ask role instead of alignment he can't fake claim later. Really you stand by that? You don't care about the alignment someone claims (and why should you at this stage of day 1, it would be joke posts at best)... and you want to peg someone on either claiming their role or lieing about in thread. When asked to explain it you don't fall back on 'jokepost lol' and instead give us this line about setting someone up to be caught in a lie? I r confused. Thats like too scummy in a bad way to be possibly true. I have to write it off as just stupid. I completely agree with vader here. I mean, DP, what if Draz is a blue. What do you expect him to say? Of course he's not going to claim a blue role (I hope), a few hours into day 1. So, he claims Progamer. Then he gets close to lynch, and says "Okay, I'm actually Nestea. Don't lynch me!". What are you going to do, lynch him because he lied and said he was progamer 3 hours into the game? I call bullshit. You know that everyone is going to claim progamer just the same as everyone is going to claim green.There were many acceptable replies iamp's accusation. Yours was not one of them. Exactly everyone one is going to claim progamer. So what is the difference between asking their role and asking their alignment? Absolutely nothing aside from the fact that I thought if drazak happened to be scum it might put slightly more pressure on him. This post was like at the very start of the game. I was putting on some small amount of pressure in order to stimulate discussion. If you don't like it. Too bad. I agree that this isn't really a scummy thing to have done, just a dumb one, but I think MOST of the reason we're getting on your case is that you basically claimed you were DOING something with it, that this somehow kept people from fakeclaiming: On October 20 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Every scum is going to claim green. If I ask role instead of alignment he can't fake claim later. when that's not true. You sort of made up a weird reason to justify your weird question, and are now going with a different explanation for your weird question. No. That is bullshit. There was a reason I asked role instead of alignment. Because it didn't matter and I thought there was an additional benefit in asking role in that it would make it far more uncomfortable for scum to fake claim later. As they would have to fake claim and be instantly under scrutiny for lying. A blue is always going Claim if they need to because they are telling the truth Ergo: The only difference in my mind between pressuring by asking role over alignment would be dissuading scum from fake claiming by causing that to be an awkward proposition. I shouldn't have said 'can't' that is obviously false. I should have said dissuade. All blues will say they're green. All scum will say they're green. Later, Blues will claim blue, "because they are telling the truth." Scum will "be dissuaded from fake claiming" because "they will instantly be under scrutiny for lying" Somehow scum will be under scrutiny for lying, but blues won't be under scrutiny for lying? Or scum will somehow feel that, by telling you in the first hours of the game that they were vt, they now can't claim to be anything else? Your reasoning just doesn't make sense. Moreover, if your goal is to make scum feel pressure somehow, you'd ask everyone in thread. If the goal is to "put pressure on scum" in your mind, you'd make sure that you asked your question to everyone. By asking only one person, you're saying you wanted to put pressure on scum, when really you have no idea if you did that or not.
When talking about claiming I was talking about some point in the future. You are taking two parts of my explanation out of context and presenting them in a way which makes them seem fallacious.
My reasoning takes into account the disparate and distinct mind sets of scum who do not wish to be under the spotlight, inherent guilt, desire to not seem guilty.
And that of a blue who knows they are telling the truth. Confidence in their claim empowered by the truth of it etc.
Of course a blue would be under scrutiny for lying but that position would be far more comfortable for a blue and would be everything most scum wish to avoid.
I don't know if you are being intentionally difficult or if I have not explained myself adequately.
But pointing holes in the reasoning of and incredibly unimportant post is not scum hunting. It is in fact the easiest way to fake scum hunting as scum.
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