GSL Mini Mafia III - Page 6

On October 20 2012 10:03 drazak wrote:
Haha, I was gonna do the same thing for his way of asking me, but I wasn't sure if I wanted to be the first vote.

##Vote DarthPunk

On October 20 2012 10:25 drazak wrote:
Just giving my thought process on it, while it may not be WIFOM, it's how I thought of it after the fact (and why I was hesitating on voting in the first place). I don't think Mafia have any need to bandwagon votes in an instant lynch game, could be wrong, but it seems somewhat ineffective as nobody will hammer it if there isn't sufficient reason, and if mafia does hammer it it's going to make them look pretty scummy. Voting also causes conversation, which mafia is likely to be somewhat adverse to for having less chance to scumslip. Just my thoughts on how it works with this scenario, obviously mafia have to make some votes.

On October 20 2012 10:05 drazak wrote:
Well, I kind of thought it was stupid, but yeah, it starts conversation and forces him to reply. Seemed like he was replying pretty well on his own though so I was gonna leave it, but the connection seems to have gone dead.

On October 20 2012 12:24 drazak wrote:
Sounds like you're trying to look like you're scum hunting while not actually hunting.

On October 20 2012 13:05 austinmcc wrote:
Darth, do you believe that drazak is scum?

On October 20 2012 13:11 austinmcc wrote:
In light of that post, I'm specifically interested in whether you thought he was scum at the time you asked him his role. Not in whether you've found him scummy since then.

On October 20 2012 13:13 DarthPunk wrote:


What do you think Austin? It was my second post of the game. I thought he had a 2/9 chance of being scum. Honestly.

On October 20 2012 13:15 Hapahauli wrote:
I go off to play some TF2 and the thread blows up - sweet!

Regarding DP

If I'm getting his logic correctly, he used "role" instead of "allignment" when questioning Draz because scum will somehow be under more pressure if they fakeclaim later, correct?

Well it doesn't make sense, but it's not scummy. The fact that he's sitting here and earnestly explaining incomprehensible logic away makes me think he's town tbh.

Regarding Draz

I coached Drazak in two newbie games, so I feel I should say something about his meta/playstyle. Drazak got mislynched in both his games (pretty early) for lurkiness/wishy-washyness as town. Nothing he's done is alignment indicative so far. I will say he's shown much more interest in this game than his previous games FWIW. Nothing to make a read on him yet.

On October 20 2012 13:16 austinmcc wrote:

You say you asked because it would make him less likely to fakeclaim later in game. But you asked only him. Why would you ask only drazak, in order to make him uncomfortable with fakeclaiming later, if you didn't think he was scum and had no more reason to suspect he'd be fakeclaiming then anyone else?

That's why I'm asking. The question sounds dumb, and I expect your answer to be "No, he had the same 2/9 chance as anyone." It just makes your explanation...still weird.

On October 20 2012 13:19 DarthPunk wrote:


Like even if they are 1% less likely to fake claim why the hell not? There is absolutely no difference either way but I thought that this way May have some small advatage of the other so I chose that way. I honestly don;t see what is so difficult to understand about this. It is not as if that scenario needs to occur or if it is even likely. I thought it may be the better play out of two otherwise equal options. So I chose it. I am baffled that no one understands that.

geez.

On October 20 2012 13:30 Hapahauli wrote:


The point that people are trying to make is that it makes no difference. Scum aren't going to be deterred (or even remember) something like this. Anywho, I think it's best to agree to disagree here. It gave me a town read on you anyway so cool.

Nao off to bed - peace out folks.

On October 20 2012 13:16 austinmcc wrote:

You say you asked because it would make him less likely to fakeclaim later in game. But you asked only him. Why would you ask only drazak, in order to make him uncomfortable with fakeclaiming later, if you didn't think he was scum and had no more reason to suspect he'd be fakeclaiming then anyone else?

That's why I'm asking. The question sounds dumb, and I expect your answer to be "No, he had the same 2/9 chance as anyone." It just makes your explanation...still weird.

On October 20 2012 13:15 Hapahauli wrote:
I go off to play some TF2 and the thread blows up - sweet!

Regarding DP

If I'm getting his logic correctly, he used "role" instead of "allignment" when questioning Draz because scum will somehow be under more pressure if they fakeclaim later, correct?

Well it doesn't make sense, but it's not scummy. The fact that he's sitting here and earnestly explaining incomprehensible logic away makes me think he's town tbh.

Regarding Draz

I coached Drazak in two newbie games, so I feel I should say something about his meta/playstyle. Drazak got mislynched in both his games (pretty early) for lurkiness/wishy-washyness as town. Nothing he's done is alignment indicative so far. I will say he's shown much more interest in this game than his previous games FWIW. Nothing to make a read on him yet.

On October 20 2012 12:19 Keirathi wrote:

I completely agree with vader here.

I mean, DP, what if Draz is a blue. What do you expect him to say? Of course he's not going to claim a blue role (I hope), a few hours into day 1. So, he claims Progamer. Then he gets close to lynch, and says "Okay, I'm actually Nestea. Don't lynch me!". What are you going to do, lynch him because he lied and said he was progamer 3 hours into the game?

I call bullshit. You know that everyone is going to claim progamer just the same as everyone is going to claim green.

There were many acceptable replies iamp's accusation. Yours was not one of them.

Yea, it doesn't make much sense. I don't think it's scummy, but I sure don't think it's townie either. A scum in his position would certainly have to justify himself as well, I don't see why you are taking this to be a town read this early on.

This meta read, however, makes me less suspicious of drazak for that vote alone.

Right now I'm more interested in Keirathi. Made this one easy-to-make post, and didn't really stick around, made no other comments. This seems to me like too easy of a post for someone like Keir to make, and doesn't seem genuine.

On October 21 2012 00:46 Hapahauli wrote:
Yah I'm a bit surprised at how little Kei has contributed so far. Early D1 caveats of course, but I always had the impression that his town play was very active on the early days.

On October 20 2012 23:58 Z-BosoN wrote:
Right now I'm more interested in Keirathi. Made this one easy-to-make post, and didn't really stick around, made no other comments. This seems to me like too easy of a post for someone like Keir to make, and doesn't seem genuine.

On October 21 2012 00:46 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Z-Bo



It's one of those really over-thought-out plans that aligns very well with townie thought process. Not definitive by any means, but I do consider it a town tell.



Whatever the meta read, he's posted more in this game already than his last town game (mislynched D1). He seems very eager to post, and that makes me think he's town. His defenses have been instant (and IMO honest), and mulling over his history, I'd be pretty surprised if that came from scum-Drazak.



Yah I'm a bit surprised at how little Kei has contributed so far. Early D1 caveats of course, but I always had the impression that his town play was very active on the early days.

The fact that he's sitting here and earnestly explaining incomprehensible logic away makes me think he's town tbh.

It's one of those really over-thought-out plans that aligns very well with townie thought process. Not definitive by any means, but I do consider it a town tell.

On October 21 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:

It was friday night. I went out. I wasn't expecting the game to start yesterday, and I wasn't going to change my plans anyways.

Also, that's such a blanket statement (and not even necessarily a true one...I've not been super active early in like half of my games), that has absolutely nothing to do with my alignment. I was "very active" in the early game as scum too. So what was the point of even saying that?


What the fuck does that even mean? "Someone like Keir"? And also, explain how that post isn't genuine, please. Darth's post, pre-explanation, made absolutely zero sense, and I disagreed with him asking it. Post-explanation, it was still dumb and never going to accomplish what he said his "goal" was, but at least I understand his reasoning now.

Anyways, its gameday. I'll be around off and on today, but not sitting at the computer all day.