EPTGSL Mini Mafia III - Page 39
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Hapahauli
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
(2) Steaks in South Korea are crazy expensive. (3) See (1) I'll look more at marv and engage in discussion on/with him when I'm up and caffeinated. I was mainly worried through process of elimination, but I want to read your cases more closely and have time to go bounce back and forth between other games that you're pulling posts from. In the same way you want comments on your marv case, I'd like someone else to look at those drazak comments, and specifically at whether they actually strike you as similar to odd comments that scum has made in other games. I don't think they're entirely analogous, and I worry that I'm trying so hard to find someone in his filter that sways me one way or the other that I'm stretching. Would like other sets of eyes on that. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
I love how my play that isn't scummy is scummy because of meta. Whereas your play which is actually scummy, with your total misrepresentation of iamp's filter, is townie because of meta. Give me a break. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 24 2012 06:54 marvellosity wrote: I wanted to touch on this because I saw it had been posted but I couldn't respond earlier. I actually did read your LC QT. I'll go give it another look. I do remember you pushing for activity, but I also know that you were pissed at talis for not looking like town talis. To some extent, I think there's a distinction between pushing for just activity from scumbuddies and pushing for scumbuddies to stop looking like scum, and to post more similarly to/in amount similarly to how they do as town. I'll have more fully formed thoughts on this after rereading that.LV: never forget. What I completely disagree with, what is flat out wrong, and I'm incredulous you're thinking that way, is that I would be telling drazak to clam up. Read my god-damn scum QTs. In Liquid City I absolutely railed at talismania for not posting, I told him he was playing against win-con and it was a disgrace. I repeatedly told ShiaoPi that he had to post MORE, at one point he asked me if he had to contribute before bed, and I told him to fucking do it. When it was clear I was going to die I told him again that I wouldn't be around to make him post more and he'd have to do it himself. One of the primary things I do in scumQTs is tell people to post post post. The idea that I would be telling drazak to NOT post is mindboggling. Surely turning him into a lurker is not going to win us the game if I'm getting policy lynched at some point. It just makes no sense. Do you see why I called you stupid now, dopeybrains? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
You still haven't shown me how you are capable of this behavior as town. I'm convinced that your filter can't come from town-Marv. But I'm not expecting you to disprove my case. Are you town? Stop saying you're "trying" and convince me. Dump your reads, give the town some good stuff, and there's a small chance I'll reconsider. Also, I'm curious if you still think I'm scum? Because that earlier "scum-Hapa" bravado of yours disappeared real quick. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
And the above post was directed at marv ofc. | ||
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marvellosity
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drazak
United States479 Posts
So scum didn't get a kill last night, correct? That means we have to have a medic yeah? That means we have either a Boxer or a parity cop. I saw there were some accusations against me because of how I've beem posting, and my lack of posting, my bad, I was even in a hurry this morning because I slept in. Just caught up on the thread so some things might be obvious, ask me questions while I figure out who to ask questions and what about. | ||
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Hapahauli
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 24 2012 09:39 Hapahauli wrote: I already addressed the rest of that post previously. You still haven't shown me how you are capable of this behavior as town. I'm convinced that your filter can't come from town-Marv. But I'm not expecting you to disprove my case. Are you town? Stop saying you're "trying" and convince me. Dump your reads, give the town some good stuff, and there's a small chance I'll reconsider. Also, I'm curious if you still think I'm scum? Because that earlier "scum-Hapa" bravado of yours disappeared real quick. you never addressed at all how I've been trying to figure out alignments this game. stop bullshitting. glad you wanna kill off a strong townie with only a 'small' chance you'll reconsider with whatever happens with my play. real townie-like. | ||
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9648 Posts
On October 24 2012 09:42 Hapahauli wrote: marv is claiming scum btw. how?? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
Marvellosity (1) - Hapahauli Hapahauli (1) - Marvellosity Not Voting (6) - Keirathi, DarthPunk, austinmcc, Z-Boson, Drazak, Iamperfection With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends when a majority is reached. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 24 2012 09:39 Hapahauli wrote: Oh, and can you refer me to what post in particular you're talking about austin (regarding Drazak)? And the above post was directed at marv ofc. Specifically the 2 quotes that I pull out, which I find similar to odd defenses/comments that other scum players have made in the past + Show Spoiler + On October 24 2012 04:07 austinmcc wrote: I don't support/like/whatever this "Drazak has been mislynched before for looking scummy, therefore we shouldn't lynch him for looking scummy" argument. We can't fully determine his alignment right now. Based on how this game has played out during a long D1 and now N1, we're not GOING to be able to fully determine his alignment, because he's not posting much at all. He's going to come up every day. He's going to be a mislynch candidate, sure, but best to get him out of the way before LYLO, and he's also a scum candidate. You guys may not have as many town reads as I do, but we're in a very small game. If you've got 2-3 town reads and know you're town, you've seriously narrowed down the options for possible scum. Things are narrow enough in my mind that "doesn't seem townie" + "not many options" + the stuff below = probably scum Drazak. Here's why I'm concerned about Drazak mainly. He was relatively active in the beginning. Since then, he's clammed up significantly. I was hoping he'd start posting more, especially if people weren't jumping all over him, because yeah, it's difficult to get a read on him right now. But the part of his filter that keeps sticking out to me are things like: those read very scummy to me because of statements in recent games. I can't NOT look at those and see: To me, defending people out of nowhere for odd reasons - Node defending Shady for things he hadn't done, Sinensis saying things like "I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for" stick out. Townies read posts, townies make reads, townies justify their reads with posts. Scum knows alignments, scum sometimes justify reads out of nowhere with...non-post stuff? They're trying to give a read but it's clear that they're not getting it from the same place a town player would be. Drazak's comments feel like that. Hapa made a comment about leaving to eat, and Drazak partially defends him by saying that he thinks differently whether he's hungry or full. It's like...a very odd reason to justify what someone was poking at hapa about. It's not intra-thread, it's this weird external defense. The bit on Z-BosoN is...not as good, that comment isn't as out of place, but again it's like...Drazak explaining something based on stuff that wasn't in thread. Just those two posts are enough to make me scummy on Drazak, enough to lynch because there are so few other options. It's also just very simple. I've had better luck with simple reads (Quick readthrough of GSL Open 2 N1 before dying, quick readthrough of Liquid City D1 after being absent (although LC not as much because I went crazy the next day)) than I have with overly complex ones. So I'm going to go with my gut and say that the simple weird statements and outside-the-game comments make him scum. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On October 24 2012 07:37 Keirathi wrote: @marv: How do you know you're having a bad game? Because of the vader mislynch? What if I'm scum, and you've been right all along? That defeatist attitude is not something that I would expect from you, tbh. And, a non-rhetorical question: you were in GSL 1. v7 early in day1 made small chit-chat, then did nothing but talk about Risen. Day2, he said "I'll be back later to give reads" and then disappeared until 10 minutes before the deadline. Did that never even give you pause here? The only people you pursued at all with any kind of scum read day 1 were me and vader, while throwing around a bunch of town reads. That was partly what I was referring to when I said this (besides the joking about the apology): In my experience, when town marv only has 1 or 2 reads, he feels damn sure about them (Jingle in Mad Men, Palmar in Rock Band, etc). And he's not usually (ever?) wrong. Town marv is occasionally wrong (gasp!), but when he is, he's wavering around a lot through different reads. Which just doesn't feel like what's been happening here. Sup. Just got back and am catching up on the thread. Just wanted to point out to anyone that asked me earlier (perfection?) why I was 100 % opposed to a keir lynch. It is this. He is a check to marv. has a really solid grasp on marv's meta and mindset. And posts like these are why we should keep him around for a bit longer. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On October 24 2012 09:43 marvellosity wrote: you never addressed at all how I've been trying to figure out alignments this game. stop bullshitting. glad you wanna kill off a strong townie with only a 'small' chance you'll reconsider with whatever happens with my play. real townie-like. Oh please do tell me how you've been trying. I've pointed out specifically how different you "trying to figure out alignments" is completely different in this game from other townie games. And lol, you're straight-up claiming scum with that vote. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Please read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602¤tpage=37#724 ...then comment ...then vote marv | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 24 2012 09:49 Hapahauli wrote: Oh please do tell me how you've been trying. I've pointed out specifically how different you "trying to figure out alignments" is completely different in this game from other townie games. And lol, you're straight-up claiming scum with that vote. No, you're just being an arrogant douchebag. I don't really care if I'm not figuring out alignments to your satisfaction, but it's clear I am doing so. | ||
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Hapahauli
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marvellosity
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