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Alan Schaefer
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Jack Slater
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Douglas Quaid
92 Posts
On October 17 2012 23:44 Alex Hesse wrote: ROFL I'm not going to lynch you, you're funny. ... Not going to lynch someone because they're funny? That's it? No mention of anything resembling a read - just "funny." This is an awfully cavalier attitude towards lynching someone. On October 18 2012 03:51 Alan Schaefer wrote: wrong soooo very wrong - incredibly wrong in fact. That kind of contentless tryhard first post is a super easy thing for scum to do in order to get town cred and seem like they're contributing to the thread. Suspiciously wrong I think we have different definitions of try-hard. If I see a "contentless" post that shows effort/enthusiasm/etc, that's a town-tell to me. I view reading intent as much more important than reading logic and content early in the game. That's different from pretending to contribute (scumtell). | ||
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Harry Tasker
107 Posts
We're not dealing with newbies just come out of their Newbie games here, Douglas. I find Alex's joke completely meaningless/not worth commenting on. Unless you genuinely believe he would somehow not lynch a person because he made a joke about not earlier, which I don't. | ||
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Douglas Quaid
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Harry Tasker
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Douglas Quaid
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Not sure, I don't like the scum wouldn't push a scum agenda point either, but I did like his viewpoint on how townies/scum view playing scum. I also agree with him on the voting. I really disagree with whoever it was (Jack?) who said we should collect our FoS and then vote. To me, this sounds like a way for scum having to worry far less about how they're casting their votes. And as Alex said, we're not stupid, so I *want* scum to worry about how they're voting (rather than going "this is the time for voting guise!") as I know I can always explain mine just fine. The more shit scum have to worry about the better, and trying to lay down voting rules beyond common sense doesn't seem to help this. What part of this is an answer? You're not sure, then you just mention you like/dislike a couple of his points. You talked nothing about anything remotely related to determining an alignment read on him. | ||
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Harry Tasker
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Douglas Quaid
92 Posts
Well for starters you can address the points I laid out here. What I really don't understand is that you're not sure about him, yet seem to be soft-defending him with your recent posts. | ||
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Harry Tasker
107 Posts
Not sure, I don't like the scum wouldn't push a scum agenda point either, but I did like his viewpoint on how townies/scum view playing scum. I also agree with him on the voting. I really disagree with whoever it was (Jack?) who said we should collect our FoS and then vote. To me, this sounds like a way for scum having to worry far less about how they're casting their votes. And as Alex said, we're not stupid, so I *want* scum to worry about how they're voting (rather than going "this is the time for voting guise!") as I know I can always explain mine just fine. The more shit scum have to worry about the better, and trying to lay down voting rules beyond common sense doesn't seem to help this. That's what I have to say about his post, and I'm getting quite bored of repeating myself. If I had a particularly scummy read off it clearly I would have told you by now. Nor have I soft-defended him, unless you somehow count the fact I found his joke irrelevant as a soft-defence (hint: it is not, if you think it is, please stop being bad). | ||
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Alex Hesse
72 Posts
##Vote Alan Schaefer | ||
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Harry Tasker
107 Posts
On October 18 2012 06:40 Alex Hesse wrote: Okay right now I want to lynch Alan Schaefer. ##Vote Alan Schaefer why am I having to ask you to explain? | ||
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Alan Schaefer
42 Posts
On October 18 2012 04:41 Douglas Quaid wrote: Firstly, something else worth noting in Alex's filter: Not going to lynch someone because they're funny? That's it? No mention of anything resembling a read - just "funny." This is an awfully cavalier attitude towards lynching someone. bro you serious? On October 18 2012 04:41 Douglas Quaid wrote: I think we have different definitions of try-hard. If I see a "contentless" post that shows effort/enthusiasm/etc, that's a town-tell to me. I view reading intent as much more important than reading logic and content early in the game. That's different from pretending to contribute (scumtell). Some players are very good at manufacturing enthusiasm when they're scum. Others are worse at it. But faking enthusiasm as scum is definitely a skill some players have. On October 18 2012 06:40 Alex Hesse wrote: Okay right now I want to lynch Alan Schaefer. ##Vote Alan Schaefer lol okay then. | ||
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Alex Hesse
72 Posts
On October 18 2012 06:45 Harry Tasker wrote: why am I having to ask you to explain? I don't know why you can't just read his filter yourself but since you're apparently feeling too lazy to do that I'll summarize. His posting looks bad. His original contributions to this game looks wishy washy (here and here). On the contrary, contributions that he took with him from other games such as this and the first part of this post look a lot more confident. It's like he only dares to stick his neck out when it's something he knows is townie (or at least, he knows he'd think this as a townie because he thought it in other games). He also seems worried about his contributions in last part of this post with the "I'm going to post every time I open the thread", why does he think that he is not posting enough? He has a decent filter and all that. It's also just my opinion from other things that I can't really explain because I can't really quantify them. He's just acting a little more careful than I think his language shows that he usually is. | ||
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Douglas Quaid
92 Posts
But yah, Alex be 'scummin up this thread with 'dat vote. | ||
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Alan Schaefer
42 Posts
On October 18 2012 06:54 Alex Hesse wrote: I don't know why you can't just read his filter yourself but since you're apparently feeling too lazy to do that I'll summarize. His posting looks bad. His original contributions to this game looks wishy washy (here and here). On the contrary, contributions that he took with him from other games such as this and the first part of this post look a lot more confident. It's like he only dares to stick his neck out when it's something he knows is townie (or at least, he knows he'd think this as a townie because he thought it in other games). He also seems worried about his contributions in last part of this post with the "I'm going to post every time I open the thread", why does he think that he is not posting enough? He has a decent filter and all that. It's also just my opinion from other things that I can't really explain because I can't really quantify them. He's just acting a little more careful than I think his language shows that he usually is. So your points on me are ... that I'm more confident in my theory on how to play normal games than on how to play this weird-ass new gametype, and that I want to explicitly commit to posting more? Yeah actually maybe I'll explain a bit more where I'm coming from with the "posting every time" thing - I think that in this game, unlike other games, posting more than normal is worthwhile even if I'm only going to point out something stupid or scummy by saying "bro you serious?" Normally I would think to myself, "now is that post really worth making or is it just gonna clutter up the thread?" but in this game, making it has a couple of additional advantages - the game is so small that thread clutter isn't something we really have to worry about (or at least, that's my position until we see otherwise) and extra posting is good because it helps establish a baseline to compare later days' posting to when people try and figure out who got killed in the night and replaced by scum. | ||
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Alan Schaefer
42 Posts
Just a public service announcement from your friendly neighborhood muscle commando. | ||
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Harry Tasker
107 Posts
On October 18 2012 06:54 Alex Hesse wrote: I don't know why you can't just read his filter yourself but since you're apparently feeling too lazy to do that I'll summarize. His posting looks bad. His original contributions to this game looks wishy washy (here and here). On the contrary, contributions that he took with him from other games such as this and the first part of this post look a lot more confident. It's like he only dares to stick his neck out when it's something he knows is townie (or at least, he knows he'd think this as a townie because he thought it in other games). He also seems worried about his contributions in last part of this post with the "I'm going to post every time I open the thread", why does he think that he is not posting enough? He has a decent filter and all that. It's also just my opinion from other things that I can't really explain because I can't really quantify them. He's just acting a little more careful than I think his language shows that he usually is. Why are you using language that's almost designed to turn me off your case? "Read the filter yourself... except I can't even tell you some of the reasons properly". I also don't know what games you've been playing in TL where you don't have to explain why you're voting for someone, especially as you have to convince the rest of town to vote with you. What gives? Actually you do have a decent point or two, but I don't get why you're antagonising me to make them. meh. There is a little bit of a difference between his cavelier attitude in places and more cautious in others. The posting every time coming into the thread thing is definitely odd... why is it scummy though? I'd prefer to see Ben Richards swing than Alex atm. Actually most of all I'd like to see John Matrix swing. ##Vote: John Matrix | ||
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Harry Tasker
107 Posts
Lurking is not, in any way or form, a valid town strat, or helpful to town. Lurking is a totally valid scum strat here (one scum player lurks, we don't lynch him because he has no content to lynch him off, he carries out NK.) As such, I find his play (or lack thereof) the scummiest right now. | ||
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Alex Hesse
72 Posts
Harry Tasker Voting for John Matrix isn't going to give us anything. He is legitimately away or he would have posted, absolutely no doubt about that. You are policy lynching someone who is probably going to get modkilled (or replaced since Palmar apparently had more signups than spots). Not only is this a lynch in the dark, it's very likely not going to give us anything. | ||
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