EPTThat being said, I'd prefer to lynch Roco over Inig if it comes to a choice between the two. Simply because if Roco is town, we've lost anyway due to him just not fucking talking. However at the very least Inig has been willing to do some posting, and if he still hasn't produced anything by the end of D4 lynching him too should be a no-brainer.
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That being said, I'd prefer to lynch Roco over Inig if it comes to a choice between the two. Simply because if Roco is town, we've lost anyway due to him just not fucking talking. However at the very least Inig has been willing to do some posting, and if he still hasn't produced anything by the end of D4 lynching him too should be a no-brainer. | ||
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On October 30 2012 23:57 Rad wrote: Yea, I'll try. Rest assured that I'll do my damndest to push some kind of logical lynch well before the end of the day. I'm just pretty damn frustrated right now.@Alsn Find reasons to trust or not trust people. For inig, you can look at djo's statement that he's got an 80% town read on him. Djo had the chance to save himself on an inig bandwagon but he straight up declined. Djo flipped town, why did he trust inig so much? There's going to be more stuff like that that we need to consider. | ||
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On October 30 2012 23:57 Rad wrote: With regards to the bolded part, I agree that since Djod's motives were pure, we should definitely pay attention to his thoughts. We need to keep in mind however that he was town, so he actually doesn't know anything more than we do. The only advantage he had on us was the he knew he was town before the lynch, but so did scum. So I guess with that in mind we should be able to find something but I'm not sure how much we can trust Djod's reads at this point. If anything, we have the exact same information now that he did, except we aren't under massive pressure due to being on the lynching block.@Alsn Find reasons to trust or not trust people. For inig, you can look at djo's statement that he's got an 80% town read on him. Djo had the chance to save himself on an inig bandwagon but he straight up declined. Djo flipped town, why did he trust inig so much? There's going to be more stuff like that that we need to consider. | ||
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On October 31 2012 00:03 debears wrote: Exactly this, and it's a fucking terrible situation. We are basically forced to lynch them because of the possibility of 2) while at the same time having pretty damn bleak outlooks on the rest of the game if 1) is true.@Rad Part of the dilemma we have right now is Inig and Roco right now They are 1) Purposely playing the worst games as town I've ever seen (not playing to win) 2) Scum playing to win The annoying part is, if we get lucky and 2) is true, the third scum will just be sheeping onto their lynches anyway, so the game will end up with either 2 vs 1 in favour of town, or Rad winning as SK. So even if we get lucky, we still need to hope to god that Rad wasn't bullshitting us with his vigi claim. That being said, I'd much rather that Rad win than scum, so yea.  | ||
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Even worse, it's entirely possible that one of them is 1) and the other is 2).  | ||
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On October 31 2012 00:11 debears wrote: Yes, that's exactly what I meant.@Alsn Part of the problem with Djo's trust of Inig is the fact that he was on the chopping block......you look for trust from anyone to sway the lynch in your favor | ||
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On October 31 2012 00:18 Alsn wrote: For now I'm going to be working under the assumption that they are both scum and that what we need to find out who the third scum is based on the game so far because from this point on, unless we are pushing a mislynch by going for Inig or Roco, the third scum will be bussing the fuck out of them. EBWOP: Fixed | ||
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On October 31 2012 00:19 Rad wrote: The obvious answer seems to me that he truly thought Cheese was scum and that we were trying to manipulate him into mislynching Inig instead of him. Given within the short amount of time within which this occurred, I don't think he really had time to think it through. I know I didn't.@debears ok but he refused to jump on an inig bandwagon after inig had already come back to vote for cheese. Moving to the inig bandwagon would have saved him. WHY didn't he jump? He had stated before that he thought Inig was just a bad townie. He probably didn't have time to change his mind that quickly. | ||
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On October 31 2012 00:23 debears wrote: Rad was ready to do it too, the only reason he didn't is because Rad thought that we wouldn't be getting a third vote. Or at least that's the way I read it and I have no reason to doubt him given his vigi claim.@Rad I only counted 2 votes on Inig at the end: Alsn and Dandel His wouldn't have been enough right? | ||
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On October 31 2012 00:29 Rad wrote: That was my impression as well and that's pretty much what I meant when I said he probably thought Cheese really was scum(due to trusting Inig).I don't think he needed any more time to think about inig's innocence. Not saying djo is necessarily correct in his thoughts, but I think he was confident. | ||
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First of all, I find Cheese' explanation for why he thought Djod was scum and not SK highly suspect. Mostly because he made the clarification for why he thought so after Rad claimed vigi. Secondly, he kept Dandel open as a lynch target as soon as I made my case but he had given no indication whatsoever earlier in the thread that he really thought Dandel was scummy. The one time he actually gives his opinion on Dandel is a post giving Dandel advice that he shouldn't "act" confused. If anything, that's the very definition of scum behaviour, offering friendly advice to players they know to be town. Link here. Then after several posts of actually agreeing that Dandel looks scummy, he goes around and says here that - and I'm paraphrasing - "no wait, actually, I never thought Dandel was all that scummy, only his response to your case!" as well as saying my case sucked because the premise was bad. Yet the only thing my premise even suggested was that I thought Djod acting like a lone scum seemed weird and I looked at other possibilities because of it. Dandel tunnelling kush while in hindsight he probably only meant to do because kush is kush, at the time it was most certainly not a bad argument(and still isn't, but Dandel's other actions look much better for him at this point). Interestingly, the point that this happened at is after several posters had criticised me for WIFOMing about Djod(debears among others) so now Cheese must be feeling that he can't keep the option of lynching Dandel instead of Djod open any longer and tries to shut any non-Djod lynch down. I reckon he probably expected Djod to continue acting scummy but unless he conspired with both Roco and Inig I don't think he could have predicted the day to end like it did. The only thing I'm really questioning at this point is how exactly the pre-lynch chaos fits into all of this if both Roco and Inig are scum. Because then I don't see how Cheese could possibly be scum as unless it's an extremely ballsy bluff it just doesn't fit. I don't think scum were in any position to have to gamble on bluffing at all, getting Djod lynched seems like a pretty good result for scum to me. Basically, right now unless I find someone else that I consider more scummy, I need to decide whether or not I want to take the risk of lynching Inig or Roco(still leaning Roco in that case by the way) or to go with an actual case, because I just don't think a rock solid case can be made against either of them. I sincerely hope that they actually try and participate from this point because otherwise I still don't see how I have any other choice than to lynch one of them. | ||
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Admittedly, I need to consider how I feel about Dandel's "SK or scum" argument as well. But I need to take a break now, I'll be back in an hour or two. | ||
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On October 31 2012 04:37 nackhtjogger wrote: So your solution is to bury your head in the sand and make up fairy tales about 2 scum to make yourself feel better? That's rich. If you're town then your attitude disgusts me.If there are 3 scum and it's night. We have to trust the SK to kill some scum for us instead of killing one of us. And hope the scum kill the sk at one point. In this case we are up shits creek. This is a shit predicament to be in so we're fucked if it is the case. I don't even want to think about it that's how repugnant it is. | ||
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On October 30 2012 20:17 nackhtjogger wrote: FOS: Alsn 1)Why didn't you vote for Cheese and wish-washed indecisively the whole time, causing confusion, instead ? I thought you said if Dandel is town, and since he claimed with a legit-looking breadcrumb to back it up it's pretty likely, that would make Cheese scum due to the high discrepancy of opinions emanating from the same material? You didn't act according to the convictions you claimed to have at all! 2)You also said we are fucked if Djo is town. Why did you go along with the Inig derailment and then back to Djo? Why why why :lurk Also lurkers stop lurking and explain your behavior. There might be 3 scummers around, and even if I don't see why scumyous would switch from one townie to scumbuddy (or another town IF Cheesecake is town) when bussing wasn't necessary, it still bothers me. @debears, Dan, Rad, Alsn and whoever else is pissed about the lurkers.. let them explain themselves and then you explain to me why they would do what they did as scum (stop generalizing and instead focus on the motives they might have in this particular game and it's implications) 1) Why I didn't vote for Cheese? Because I wanted to know if Rad and Dandel would go along with it or not. If they had believed in it I would've voted Cheese in a heartbeat. He even does at one point briefly seems to consider it, but at that point it's 11 minutes until lynch and a few minutes later before I'm able to actually vote cheese, Inig appears out of fucking nowhere and votes Cheese. Discounting your theory that I'm scum and suppose that I'm town for a second and that up until this point I've been telling the truth. That is that I'm not entirely sure about Djod being scum but he's looking like our best option. Importantly however, I'm more sure of the fact that either Dandel or Cheese is scum but I don't want to flip a coin. Someone coming out of fucking nowhere and voting Cheese means I'm supposed to believe what, that Cheese is the scum? The only thing that I can do at this point is hope to fuck that Djod is scum and that the vote on Cheese is an attempt to save Djod by a scum Inig. Sure, given enough time maybe I could have concluded that Djod was unlikely to flip scum at this point, but we had 10 minutes, and there were three of us(you conveniently disappeared for those minutes too by the way, with about the worst excuse ever). Again, the only way I'm scum and this all fits is if I orchestrated both Roco and Inig coming in and voting Cheese like that, yet that would exonerate Cheese. Or are you seriously arguing that there are four scum? 2) And this situation is looking easily solvable to you I suppose? Yup, everything is crystal clear here, the lurkers are super easy to read I'm sure. Not to mention the fact that I had no clue at the time what Djod even would flip. Either your confirmation bias has reached heights that even Z-BosoN could only dream of(hint: if you don't know the game I'm talking about, that's pretty damn high) or you're trolling like there's no tomorrow. The fact that you somehow decided that I was scum after reading like half the thread and then refuse to look at anything I say in any other light is astounding to me. Finally, why I went along with the Inig derailment? What were we supposed to think at that point? That Inig - the guy half the thread has been suspicious of for the entire game - somehow had pure intentions in derailing the lynch and being extremely confusing? Especially considering the only people that I remotely trusted at that point thought the exact same thing as me, that Inig voting like that was scummy as hell? Why wouldn't I go along with it. Why is going back to Djo a bad move at that point? Two minutes before deadline in a situation where to anyone sane it looked like scum was trying to last second derail the lynch. Had you actually been reading the thread up until that point you would have known that the only reason I was even afraid that Djod was town was because I thought he looked too "alone" to be scum. How does two lurkers showing up out of nowhere not support that theory? | ||
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I also don't think you being lynched is anywhere near set in stone. I'm sorry to group you with Roco, but for pretty much all of the latter half of D2 you were nowhere to be seen. Also, you getting upset when you're playing a game where(assuming you truly are town) the main objective for 3 out of 13 participants to make everyone else believe you as little as humanly possible is a little naïve. Of course scum will be doing their absolute utmost to discredit townies and make their theories look bad, because indirectly that's their goal. To your last point, why do people insist that there is a serial killer? Or for that matter, that the mafia necessarily want to gamble on leaving him alive? We are arguing with Nackh about it because he is misleading people by talking about shit that has no bearing on what we must do, intentional or not. Suggesting that there are 2 scum is ridiculous. Saying that the game is over if there are 3 scum is equally ridiculous. Giving up is ridiculous. Do you really feel attacked? In my last game I was VT as well and I had to suffer being attacked by everyone at a point where there was a single scum and 9 town actually remaining, but everyone thought there were 2 scum. I was endlessly attacked yet that's what happens in this game. People are wrongly accused, people are misled. It's kind of the entire point. | ||
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