EPTTL Mafia LVIII - Page 154
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supersoft
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thrawn2112
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Djodref
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I think I've addressed your concerns already. Could you please make a short list of the points you still have against me so I can defend myself properly ? Also, I would like to know why your activity in this game is lower than usual  | ||
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Djodref
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:57 Djodref wrote: @ thrawn I think I've addressed your concerns already. Could you please make a short list of the points you still have against me so I can defend myself properly ? Also, I would like to know why your activity in this game is lower than usual there is no scumhunting at all in your d1 filter, and it continued with you participating in conversations but not doing anything relating to scumhunting. i'm guessing that you will say that you having low activitey is a null tell, but you can have low activity and still appear suspiscious of people, which you didn't and i still think that scumslip is probably a scumslip On January 08 2013 08:58 Djodref wrote: EBWOP: I also want to know when you started to write your case against me a little before debears posted his | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:53 supersoft wrote: impression so far: he'll have a bad time if he hasn't brushed his teeths... can you tell him to release the logs already i want to see this shit | ||
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Vivax
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#1: + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: So, let me get this straight. You expect me to somehow prove that Iamp was talking about supersoft, when he very quickly and clearly responded to my post with a post from MZ, whom he said he was refering to? That is unreasonable to the nth degree. If you looked at the post I questioned, you will notice how iamp said "mystery person was posting from phone and would be back home later". If iamp said that he was talking of supersoft, that would be false. Supersoft never said that. It would make Iamp instant scum with supersoft (or mason with supersoft which isn't possible at this point). Your question to iamp: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 08:29 debears wrote: ah kk ty. I thought you were to supersoft. Would've had you as hammered scum if you said supersoft. Anyways, I'm glad you answered MZ You didn't understand what I wrote (and also explained to clarity): I said that it was obvious that a scum iamp wouldn't answer with supersoft upon asked since that would have obviously brought up some serious questions. It is you making that answer a reason to back off from him that I find him scummy. It simply looks like an obsolete thing to ask. And that's not the only thing, could you answer why you picked supersoft out of everyone else when MZ said he would be back home soon on the previous page and Keirathi referred to that? It looks to me like you took things out of context here. #2: + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: I stand by my point. If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded. So, it is much more likely Iamp would be scum at lylo. See I believe Hero with Marv living til the end. He was scum. It's a very reasonable thing to say. For some reason, you find it unreasonable and scummy. What gives? I am of other opinion here. I think using scum night actions as a way of stirring up suspicion on a player is scummy, especially since you try to do so without actually having intention of bringing up a lynch target for the current day. Again a way of looking like contributing and discrediting people who are viewed as townie by most people, at least that's my impression of iamp (being seen as townie). Bringing the Hero argument and the marv analogy isn't valid here since marv didn't claim a shot. You're also saying If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded You're implying that iamp is a confirmed town mason?But why did you write that NK argument in the first place then? You think he's a scum mason? Did you post something that could make you think that?No?Right. If you have a reason for writing that and still writing something against him based on scum actions then speak up, I'm listening. #3: + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: This (Comment: the random lynch policy) isn't necessarily mafia motivated at all. Obviously there is joking in that post. Also, Palmar agrees with me  Your random lynching argument is a joke. Well, I didn't get it. Isn't necessarily mafia motivated means it could be very well mafia motivated. Ok, fine. Let's treat this simply as null then. #4: + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: I will lay off the insults about this point. Wrong setup speculation can easily be said from either a mafia or townie when the OP has been lacking concise rules. Someone else already pointed this out, I already acknowledged that it's WIFOM. I still don't like that speculation cause it's useless for scum hunting, now I could say for either alignment, but mafia don't like to scum-hunt, town does  Let's give you BOTD on this as well, although it would fit so well if you are scum :/ #5: + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: This was a specific response to a specific question by hopeless. I have my reasoning spelt out. It should be pretty clear why me read was what it was at that point. You obviously didn't read my reasoning in my post. You are reaching for something to find on me. Yeah, the specific response to the specific question was the answer to hopeless asking what you were implying by bolding two things while quoting him, which I referred to as shit-throwing. Hopeless asked you if you were subtly calling him scum, to which you replied that you actually lean town on him?What changed about his posts? Exactly nothing, he just asked why you bolded some parts in his quote. You found enough reason to quote him and bold some parts to make him look scummy, but maintained an unclear opinion when he asked you about it. More tomorrow. Gn. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On January 08 2013 09:06 thrawn2112 wrote: there is no scumhunting at all in your d1 filter, and it continued with you participating in conversations but not doing anything relating to scumhunting. i'm guessing that you will say that you having low activitey is a null tell, but you can have low activity and still appear suspicious of people, which you didn't and i still think that scumslip is probably a scumslip a little before debears posted his @ thrawn I didn't have enough time to catch up and have decent scumreads. And I didn't want to appear suspicious just for the sake of appearing suspicious. That's what scum is doing, not town. Honestly, I was just sheeping the cases wich in found decent at that time. Which scumslip are you talking of ? The thing about Cheese or the thing about kush ? I have addressed both of them. Also you should know that 'scumslips' aren't a good way of finding scum, after WitchCraft ^^ And I still want to know why you are less active than usual, are you avoiding to answer ? | ||
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Djodref
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debears
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Marv On January 04 2013 12:33 debears wrote: do you deny that he is fucking scummy this game at the very least? On January 04 2013 12:39 debears wrote: And Marv, here is his first post of reads How is that any kind of fucking analysis? This guy wants to policy lynch This guy isn't active This guy is changing his mind often this guy made one statement that scares me WBG On January 04 2013 12:35 debears wrote: Bugs, if someone says, "hey he's looking scummy, but it's the same as his own games", you have to show that it's different from their town games. I have done that, according to you. His play on his own is scummy. It's not like his town games. On January 04 2013 12:45 debears wrote: Alright. Let me try putting it this way. In hero, he argued with others and stated "hey you're likely scum" He has argued with multiple people this game, not called them scum, and then named scummy 3 people who he didn't engage with How is that not different in a scum oriented way?> | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On January 08 2013 09:14 Djodref wrote: @ thrawn I didn't have enough time to catch up and have decent scumreads. And I didn't want to appear suspicious just for the sake of appearing suspicious. That's what scum is doing, not town. Honestly, I was just sheeping the cases wich in found decent at that time. Which scumslip are you talking of ? The thing about Cheese or the thing about kush ? I have addressed both of them. Also you should know that 'scumslips' aren't a good way of finding scum, after WitchCraft ^^ yes the kush/cc thing. the entire issue was about you having a town read on kush because you dont think he's bussing at an early early point in the game where you shouldn't be able to decide on something like that. On January 08 2013 09:14 Djodref wrote: And I still want to know why you are less active than usual, are you avoiding to answer ? because it's either a dumb or scummy question. my activity is lower... do you actually care what my irl reasons are? it looks like you're trying to suggest i'm scum without doing so by asking that. what's your actual read on me? a few pages ago you seemed to be egging debears on trying to see if he'll say i'm scum without actually pushing the read yourself. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On January 08 2013 09:14 Djodref wrote: Also you should know that 'scumslips' aren't a good way of finding scum, after WitchCraft ^^ this is completely different than what happened in WC. it's not that you called kush town, it's that you called him town because of some crazy read you had where you didn't think kush could be bussing | ||
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iamperfection
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On January 08 2013 09:41 iamperfection wrote: can you at least make up an excuse on why I'm not getting these logs yet? yeah I want to see them asap, game is too boring atm | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On January 08 2013 09:14 Djodref wrote: I didn't have enough time to catch up and have decent scumreads. And I didn't want to appear suspicious just for the sake of appearing suspicious. That's what scum is doing, not town. Honestly, I was just sheeping the cases wich in found decent at that time. What does this mean? Why would you want to appear suspicious at all as town? I don't see what you're getting at | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
As in, he didn't want to throw suspicion out there just so that he can say he did...he wanted to actually think about his suspicions first. thrawn what are your thoughts on the debears/Vivax thing? For my part I'm more suspicious of debears at the end of it all, based on his reactions to the case. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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iamperfection
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On January 08 2013 09:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You'll get logs when I feel like it's appropriate, I haven't had more than a precursory discussion with supersoft since it's currently 2am for him. I'm going to stay up and try to catch him when he wakes up so maybe in like 8 or 9 hours if we get a hold of each other. 1. what the hell do the logs with folishness have to do with supersoft. 2. I feel its appropriate now 3. do it now 4. do it now 5. do it now | ||
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VisceraEyes
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thrawn2112
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On January 08 2013 09:52 VisceraEyes wrote: It read to me like "I didn't want to look like I was suspicious of someone just for the sake of being suspicious of someone. As in, he didn't want to throw suspicion out there just so that he can say he did...he wanted to actually think about his suspicions first. thrawn what are your thoughts on the debears/Vivax thing? For my part I'm more suspicious of debears at the end of it all, based on his reactions to the case. I actually dont see what the case on debears is... I think his ego is big enough for him to be town and say some of the stuff he's said / act how he has. I thought viv's case was weak. there's a lot of words but i wasn't really convinced by it. plus debears agrred with me concerning djo at basically the exact same time so town points for that | ||
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