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On January 08 2013 09:07 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I've removed some quotations to keep it somewhat readable, just read the previous cases if you want to know what it refers to. #1: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:
So, let me get this straight. You expect me to somehow prove that Iamp was talking about supersoft, when he very quickly and clearly responded to my post with a post from MZ, whom he said he was refering to?
That is unreasonable to the nth degree.
If you looked at the post I questioned, you will notice how iamp said "mystery person was posting from phone and would be back home later". If iamp said that he was talking of supersoft, that would be false. Supersoft never said that. It would make Iamp instant scum with supersoft (or mason with supersoft which isn't possible at this point).
Your question to iamp: + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 08:29 debears wrote:ah kk ty. I thought you were to supersoft. Would've had you as hammered scum if you said supersoft. Anyways, I'm glad you answered MZ You didn't understand what I wrote (and also explained to clarity): I said that it was obvious that a scum iamp wouldn't answer with supersoft upon asked since that would have obviously brought up some serious questions. It is you making that answer a reason to back off from him that I find him scummy. It simply looks like an obsolete thing to ask. And that's not the only thing, could you answer why you picked supersoft out of everyone else when MZ said he would be back home soon on the previous page and Keirathi referred to that? It looks to me like you took things out of context here. #2: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:
I stand by my point. If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded. So, it is much more likely Iamp would be scum at lylo. See I believe Hero with Marv living til the end. He was scum.
It's a very reasonable thing to say. For some reason, you find it unreasonable and scummy. What gives?
I am of other opinion here. I think using scum night actions as a way of stirring up suspicion on a player is scummy, especially since you try to do so without actually having intention of bringing up a lynch target for the current day. Again a way of looking like contributing and discrediting people who are viewed as townie by most people, at least that's my impression of iamp (being seen as townie). Bringing the Hero argument and the marv analogy isn't valid here since marv didn't claim a shot. You're also saying If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded
You're implying that iamp is a confirmed town mason?But why did you write that NK argument in the first place then? You think he's a scum mason? Did you post something that could make you think that?No?Right. If you have a reason for writing that and still writing something against him based on scum actions then speak up, I'm listening. #3: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:This ( Comment: the random lynch policy) isn't necessarily mafia motivated at all. Obviously there is joking in that post. Also, Palmar agrees with me  Your random lynching argument is a joke. Well, I didn't get it. Isn't necessarily mafia motivated means it could be very well mafia motivated. Ok, fine. Let's treat this simply as null then. #4: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:
I will lay off the insults about this point. Wrong setup speculation can easily be said from either a mafia or townie when the OP has been lacking concise rules.
Someone else already pointed this out, I already acknowledged that it's WIFOM. I still don't like that speculation cause it's useless for scum hunting, now I could say for either alignment, but mafia don't like to scum-hunt, town does  Let's give you BOTD on this as well, although it would fit so well if you are scum :/ #5: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:
This was a specific response to a specific question by hopeless. I have my reasoning spelt out. It should be pretty clear why me read was what it was at that point. You obviously didn't read my reasoning in my post. You are reaching for something to find on me. Yeah, the specific response to the specific question was the answer to hopeless asking what you were implying by bolding two things while quoting him, which I referred to as shit-throwing. Hopeless asked you if you were subtly calling him scum, to which you replied that you actually lean town on him?What changed about his posts? Exactly nothing, he just asked why you bolded some parts in his quote.You found enough reason to quote him and bold some parts to make him look scummy, but maintained an unclear opinion when he asked you about it. More tomorrow. Gn.
1) I could have possibly phrased it better
He found a quote from MZ saying that MZ was posting from phone and would be home soon within 3 minutes of asking. I highly doubt he's lying about that. Read plz.
Also, supersoft was around in that convo too. Look it up
2) You are not reading at all. I said, if Iamp makes it to lylo, then lynch him. What don't you understand about that? For a strong player who is a mason to make it to endgame is fucking retarded if you are scum in a 30 player game
Which applies to the quote which you try to frame as a scumslip. BECAUSE YOU AREN'T FUCKING READING.
It's a hypothetical. Seriously. There is no way you are this dumb as town.
5) First, I didn't bold anything in his posts. He didn't asked why I bolded parts in his quote cuz I didn't. You are lying
On January 03 2013 13:53 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:38 Toadesstern wrote:besides that, hopeless looks like a nice 2nd target. On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. 1)I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.2) @wbg voters: dafuq? 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? 1) I am not fine with lynching at random. I am not fine with lynching alphabetically I am not fine with lynching by forum post count I am not fine with lynching by thread post count I am fine with lynching lurkers 2) Piss off Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Merry Christmas TL Mafia!
Over the past 9 months, I've been going back through old games and putting together a mafia database. For each game, I have a record containing game details, the players to have played each game, their roles, and the whether they were lynched, killed, etc. I've put together a TL Mafia Library record for each game (excluding the summary/analysis). I may end up merging this entire post with the library sticky if I'm able to have access to the library account. Additionally, there is a list for each player for all the games they have played, their roles, and links to their filters. Hopefully this will come in handy for people who want an easy way to look for a game where player X was mafia or had a certain role. Finally, I put together a few fun statistics.
Special thanks to Meapak, Dirkzor, VisceraEyes, layabout and Marv for their help!
Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one.
Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time.
44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game.
There have been 931 distinct mafia players.
How does that not look like a fucking joke?
Just because someone doesn't post more, it does not mean I do not rethink their posts. Look at the post in question. At first, I thought it was scummy. Then the two town inclinations in the post made me think differently. Figure it out
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On January 08 2013 09:38 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 09:14 Djodref wrote:On January 08 2013 09:06 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 08 2013 08:57 Djodref wrote:@ thrawnI think I've addressed your concerns already. Could you please make a short list of the points you still have against me so I can defend myself properly ? Also, I would like to know why your activity in this game is lower than usual  there is no scumhunting at all in your d1 filter, and it continued with you participating in conversations but not doing anything relating to scumhunting. i'm guessing that you will say that you having low activitey is a null tell, but you can have low activity and still appear suspicious of people, which you didn't and i still think that scumslip is probably a scumslip On January 08 2013 08:58 Djodref wrote:
EBWOP: I also want to know when you started to write your case against me a little before debears posted his @ thrawnI didn't have enough time to catch up and have decent scumreads. And I didn't want to appear suspicious just for the sake of appearing suspicious. That's what scum is doing, not town. Honestly, I was just sheeping the cases wich in found decent at that time. Which scumslip are you talking of ? The thing about Cheese or the thing about kush ? I have addressed both of them. Also you should know that 'scumslips' aren't a good way of finding scum, after WitchCraft ^^ yes the kush/cc thing. the entire issue was about you having a town read on kush because you dont think he's bussing at an early early point in the game where you shouldn't be able to decide on something like that. Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 09:14 Djodref wrote:
And I still want to know why you are less active than usual, are you avoiding to answer ?
because it's either a dumb or scummy question. my activity is lower... do you actually care what my irl reasons are? it looks like you're trying to suggest i'm scum without doing so by asking that. what's your actual read on me? a few pages ago you seemed to be egging debears on trying to see if he'll say i'm scum without actually pushing the read yourself.
@ thrawn
I'm trying to figure you out. I want to know why you much less active because I've noticed that your activity is lower than usual. But this is something I could understand myself
I'm getting suspicious of debears and you. I didn't like at all how you came attacking me around the same time. But, for the moment, I'm just suspicious of you. There are a lot of people I'm suspicious of in this game actually, and they cannot all be scum, so , yeah, I'm asking questions. Let's say that both of you are null reads for the moment, leaning slightly towards red on debears.
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On January 08 2013 09:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You'll get logs when I feel like it's appropriate, I haven't had more than a precursory discussion with supersoft since it's currently 2am for him. I'm going to stay up and try to catch him when he wakes up so maybe in like 8 or 9 hours if we get a hold of each other.
what's your first impression of him based on your convo?
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On January 08 2013 10:03 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 09:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You'll get logs when I feel like it's appropriate, I haven't had more than a precursory discussion with supersoft since it's currently 2am for him. I'm going to stay up and try to catch him when he wakes up so maybe in like 8 or 9 hours if we get a hold of each other. what's your first impression of him based on your convo?
I'm very certain supersoft is town that's why I masoned him.
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On January 08 2013 09:40 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 09:14 Djodref wrote:
Also you should know that 'scumslips' aren't a good way of finding scum, after WitchCraft ^^
this is completely different than what happened in WC. it's not that you called kush town, it's that you called him town because of some crazy read you had where you didn't think kush could be bussing
I think I know exactly how kush is acting as scum after WitchCraft. This guy is 100% sure of his reads as scum because they all are based on the prior information he has. Go check his filter in WC if you don't believe.
Basically, mafia players are mafia for him and he busses them with all the stuff he knows about them.
And town players are town for whatever crappy reason he can find (see his townread on CC last game) and he proceeds to defend them.
Also, please tell me what could be the mafia motivation for scum Djo to defend Kush ?
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MZ Why no Foolishness log?
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I second everyone asking for the logs with Foolish ^^
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On January 08 2013 10:08 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 09:40 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 08 2013 09:14 Djodref wrote:
Also you should know that 'scumslips' aren't a good way of finding scum, after WitchCraft ^^
this is completely different than what happened in WC. it's not that you called kush town, it's that you called him town because of some crazy read you had where you didn't think kush could be bussing I think I know exactly how kush is acting as scum after WitchCraft. This guy is 100% sure of his reads as scum because they all are based on the prior information he has. Go check his filter in WC if you don't believe. Basically, mafia players are mafia for him and he busses them with all the stuff he knows about them. And town players are town for whatever crappy reason he can find (see his townread on CC last game) and he proceeds to defend them.
I wasnt comparing kush's play from this game to WC, I was talking about the scumslip stuff from both games
On January 08 2013 10:08 Djodref wrote:
Also, please tell me what could be the mafia motivation for scum Djo to defend Kush ?
are you talking about if kush is town and you're scum? it would give mafia something silly to talk about without having to help lyncn scum
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@ debaers
What was your motivation to post the part where you said we need to lynch iamp at LYLO if he is still alive ?
Do you realize that we are very far from LYLO ?
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ITS A SIMPLE QUESTION MZ COME ON DUDE
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mz just post them so there's something new to talk about ffs
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On January 08 2013 10:11 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:08 Djodref wrote:On January 08 2013 09:40 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 08 2013 09:14 Djodref wrote:
Also you should know that 'scumslips' aren't a good way of finding scum, after WitchCraft ^^
this is completely different than what happened in WC. it's not that you called kush town, it's that you called him town because of some crazy read you had where you didn't think kush could be bussing I think I know exactly how kush is acting as scum after WitchCraft. This guy is 100% sure of his reads as scum because they all are based on the prior information he has. Go check his filter in WC if you don't believe. Basically, mafia players are mafia for him and he busses them with all the stuff he knows about them. And town players are town for whatever crappy reason he can find (see his townread on CC last game) and he proceeds to defend them. I wasnt comparing kush's play from this game to WC, I was talking about the scumslip stuff from both games Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:08 Djodref wrote:
Also, please tell me what could be the mafia motivation for scum Djo to defend Kush ? are you talking about if kush is town and you're scum? it would give mafia something silly to talk about without having to help lyncn scum
Ok, fair enough, that's reasonable. But I just wanted you to not waste your time on kush, that was my motivation because I thought he was more likely to be town at that time. And him going after town marv after that reinforced my read.
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On January 08 2013 10:12 Djodref wrote:
@ debaers
What was your motivation to post the part where you said we need to lynch iamp at LYLO if he is still alive ?
Do you realize that we are very far from LYLO ?
Why wouldn't I. Marv just won a scum game because he claimed vet and a shot and lived til the end because town didn't use their heads. Mafia nk strong town players with roles by lylo, especially in a 30 player game. Duh.
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On January 08 2013 10:24 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:12 Djodref wrote:
@ debaers
What was your motivation to post the part where you said we need to lynch iamp at LYLO if he is still alive ?
Do you realize that we are very far from LYLO ? Why wouldn't I. Marv just won a scum game because he claimed vet and a shot and lived til the end because town didn't use their heads. Mafia nk strong town players with roles by lylo, especially in a 30 player game. Duh.
do you think im scum based on my play?
Pretend the mason stuff never happened.
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On January 08 2013 10:24 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:12 Djodref wrote:
@ debaers
What was your motivation to post the part where you said we need to lynch iamp at LYLO if he is still alive ?
Do you realize that we are very far from LYLO ? Why wouldn't I. Marv just won a scum game because he claimed vet and a shot and lived til the end because town didn't use their heads. Mafia nk strong town players with roles by lylo, especially in a 30 player game. Duh.
You know, I agree with what you say, but I don't see how this was useful for town at that point. LYLO is still days away of us, and even further now that we have lynched Jackal.
I suspect you to post this to look like your contributing, when you are in fact not. The other advantage you get is that you discredit a player who is almost confirmed townie.
So, once again, what was your motivation for that post ?
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On January 08 2013 09:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
It read to me like "I didn't want to look like I was suspicious of someone just for the sake of being suspicious of someone.
As in, he didn't want to throw suspicion out there just so that he can say he did...he wanted to actually think about his suspicions first.
thrawn what are your thoughts on the debears/Vivax thing? For my part I'm more suspicious of debears at the end of it all, based on his reactions to the case.
can you explain what was scummy about it?
and what do you think about vivax apart from you agreeing with his case?
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On January 08 2013 02:26 Vivax wrote:
And fuck my life for defending a townie instead of leaving it to him.
On January 08 2013 02:26 Vivax wrote:EBWOP: townread
scumslip
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The way he kept referring back to his defense. "Go read that wall of text I posted" or "my lengthy write up" etc. It looked more like trying to bloat up his contribution than actually trying to refer people back to his defense. Also I didn't like his whole "this case makes you scum" mentality. Bad play has never been a scumtell, and it never will be. I don't care WHO it is we're talking about.
Vivax seems fine to me...he seems relatively active, and is at least putting out original thoughts...at least, superficially. I'll go take a gander at his filter.
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Come on MZ, it doesn't take that long to fake logs..
+ Show Spoiler +[20:21] <@Lenwe> Soooooooooooo....................
[20:21] <@Lenwe> What you gonna do about them logs. lol!
[20:23] <Meapak_Ziphh> I'm going to stall them
[20:23] <@Lenwe> You know, we could just fakes thems! Its a very easy task to do.
[20:24] <Meapak_Ziphh> That's not a bad idea.
[20:25] <Meapak_Ziphh> Perhaps, I can say that I masoned someone else. Someone who would play along and not out me.
[20:25] <@Lenwe> I know!!!!
[20:25] <@Lenwe> FOOLISHNESS!!!
[20:25] <@Lenwe> HE played along acting like my lover before!
[20:25] <Meapak_Ziphh> Think he will play along with me though?
[20:26] <@Lenwe> Its worth a try!
[20:26] <@Lenwe> WE COULD DO IT!!!
[20:26] <@Lenwe> or maybe debears? he is playing mason with me
[20:27] <@Lenwe> but then again why would you mason him of all people?
[20:27] <@Lenwe> Foolishness sounds more reasonable.
[20:27] <Meapak_Ziphh> Ok! I'm going to do it!
[20:28] <@Lenwe> If he does question it...
[20:28] <@Lenwe> say that you were trying to use him as a decoy
[20:29] <@Lenwe> WE ARE DOOMED!!!!
[20:29] <@Lenwe> if he doesn't believe that.... then ummm
[20:29] <@Lenwe> WHY DID YOU DO IT!!!!
[20:29] <@Lenwe> DOOOOOOMMMMMMMEDDDD
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On January 08 2013 11:33 Chezinu wrote:Come on MZ, it doesn't take that long to fake logs.. + Show Spoiler +[20:21] <@Lenwe> Soooooooooooo....................
[20:21] <@Lenwe> What you gonna do about them logs. lol!
[20:23] <Meapak_Ziphh> I'm going to stall them
[20:23] <@Lenwe> You know, we could just fakes thems! Its a very easy task to do.
[20:24] <Meapak_Ziphh> That's not a bad idea.
[20:25] <Meapak_Ziphh> Perhaps, I can say that I masoned someone else. Someone who would play along and not out me.
[20:25] <@Lenwe> I know!!!!
[20:25] <@Lenwe> FOOLISHNESS!!!
[20:25] <@Lenwe> HE played along acting like my lover before!
[20:25] <Meapak_Ziphh> Think he will play along with me though?
[20:26] <@Lenwe> Its worth a try!
[20:26] <@Lenwe> WE COULD DO IT!!!
[20:26] <@Lenwe> or maybe debears? he is playing mason with me
[20:27] <@Lenwe> but then again why would you mason him of all people?
[20:27] <@Lenwe> Foolishness sounds more reasonable.
[20:27] <Meapak_Ziphh> Ok! I'm going to do it!
[20:28] <@Lenwe> If he does question it...
[20:28] <@Lenwe> say that you were trying to use him as a decoy
[20:29] <@Lenwe> WE ARE DOOMED!!!!
[20:29] <@Lenwe> if he doesn't believe that.... then ummm
[20:29] <@Lenwe> WHY DID YOU DO IT!!!!
[20:29] <@Lenwe> DOOOOOOMMMMMMMEDDDD
Yeah, I guess it is hard.
+ Show Spoiler +[20:21] <@Lenwe> Soooooooooooo....................
[20:21] <@Lenwe> What you gonna do about them logs. lol!
[20:23] <Meapak_Ziphh> I'm going to stall them
[20:23] <@Lenwe> You know, we could just fakes thems! Its a very easy task to do.
[20:24] <Meapak_Ziphh> That's not a bad idea.
[20:25] <Meapak_Ziphh> Perhaps, I can say a mason someone else. Someone who would play along and not out me.
[20:25] <@Lenwe> I know!!!!
[20:25] <@Lenwe> FOOLISHNESS!!!
[20:25] <@Lenwe> HE played along acting like my lover before!
[20:25] <Meapak_Ziphh> Think he will with me though?
[20:26] <@Lenwe> Its worth a try!
[20:26] <@Lenwe> WE COULD DO IT!!!
[20:26] <@Lenwe> or maybe debears? he is playing mason with me
[20:26] <@Lenwe> but then again why would you mason him of all people?
[20:27] <@Lenwe> Foolishness sounds more reasonable.
[20:27] <Meapak_Ziphh> Ok! I'm going to do it!
[20:28] <@Lenwe> If he does question it...
[20:28] <@Lenwe> say that you were trying to use him as a decoy
[20:29] <@Lenwe> if he doesn't believe that.... then ummm
[20:29] <@Lenwe> WE ARE DOOMED!!!!
[20:29] <@Lenwe> WHY DID YOU DO IT!!!!
[20:29] <@Lenwe> DOOOOOOMMMMMMMEDDDD
+ Show Spoiler +Gotz to make sure you paste the right ones
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