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On October 19 2012 04:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
@kush
idk i'm watching dexter episodes when i want to be sleeping. Concerning austin, I've had suspicions of him for a lot of the game and some stuff VE said about him was pretty convincing. Currently I think his djo vote is pretty silly... the nk stuff incriminating djo as scum just makes no sense at all has has no basis on what's actually happened in the thread and it feels like a "made up" case or whatever you want to call it. Also he's made this case against you but it doesn't really look like a case.. there is no real conclusion or anything and I don't get what he's trying to say... I'm guessing that he thinks you're scum.. but it feels like he kinda left the question hanging.
also there's the D1 vote sharing. his justifications for doing it were good, but I just don't see how he could have arrived at the point to do it in the first place. He only spent 1 vote until the finals, then used 3 out of his 9 votes for a candidate which, at the time he voted, needed a shit ton of votes to get lynched. Looks like hiding. It just doesn't seem like something a town player would do. the whole deal does strikes me as "guys i'm not gonna take a stance on anything, here i'm gonna let you use my votes because i'm so town"
It doesn't look like a case, but it's things I don't like about kush's filter. I've changed my list in the voting thread to swap those 2.
See post above, or just know that I'm still convinced that we've got 1-2 scum in our R3 hopeless voters. Actually re-reading kush's D1 has changed my mind about who it is. I'm not sure what this does to djo for me, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for both of them to be scum and to have gone hard at saving ON in R3. Will figure out that bit later.
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On October 19 2012 05:09 kushm4sta wrote:
The supposition that either djo or me has to be scum: this is simply ridiculous. And the fact that you are holding onto it like gospel makes no sense.
If you notice anyone else voting hopeless1der in R3, do let me know.
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On October 19 2012 05:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
eh I guess, that's the weakest part of the case. also none of that is confirmed unlike that logic case I made against you in our newbie, so you know how hesitant i'd be about following through on it. "hopeless looked weird enough to get votes from town" is a true statement..... but it was the most contested MU and it's the only MU where we have a confirmed scum and a confirmed town so I don't just want to.... ignore it
We have a confirmed scum. No guarantee hopeless1der is townie, but he does come out of that matchup looking good.
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Sigh. I'm gonna lose some time driving home, and I don't even know if people will be back before deadline, so I guess we'll go ahead and do this.
If you were obsing a game, and you saw someone make posts like this:On October 17 2012 09:16 austinmcc wrote:
Other options include worries about a medic, although apparently I don't look super duper town, blue-sniping on ET. On October 17 2012 10:52 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 09:21 kushm4sta wrote:On October 17 2012 09:16 austinmcc wrote:
Other options include worries about a medic, although apparently I don't look super duper town, blue-sniping on ET. I think due to lynch craziness there are no power roles. No one got rbed or anything right? One reason I'm thinking power roles of some sort exist: Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 23:57 kitaman27 wrote:
In the interest of moving things along due to the extended day one cycle, you may submit night actions early if you wish. When I have received all night actions, the night cycle will end.You still have a maximum of 24 hours to send them in after the day one lynch is decided. night action S. When I have received all night action SShow nested quote +On October 14 2012 11:01 JingleHell wrote:
It is now night. You have 24 hours to get your night actions submitted to myself and Kitaman. If they're all submitted early, as Kita stated before, the following Day post may come early.
night action S. If they're ALL submitted early. We have not seen rb claims. We have not seen medic protects. However, we've only seen 1 KP per night, and the N1 posts make pretty clear that there were multiple actions to be received. Moreover, Sandroba made it to R4 in D1. That means he didn't look uber-town. Yet scum chose to kill him. Why? He's been known to be a dangerous scumhunter. If scum killing him was the only action, I would expect it to happen EARLY. He was killed because they were afraid to let him live, and killing him early in the night would be better than giving him time to get some night thoughts out. So the fact that night didn't end almost immediately means that scum killing sandroba was probably not the only action that needed to come in.
On October 18 2012 05:50 austinmcc wrote:
Still believe we have night actors. No way are kita/jingle being super sneaky in constantly saying "actionS" and "all actions" if nobody is taking night actions. Stay hidden.
plus lots of concern over who got NKed and why they got NKed.
What is one conclusion you might come to about that person?
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On October 19 2012 05:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
if I see someone constantly building cases off of night kills and useless arguments concerning role speculation? that they're scum for having so many thoughts about that shit
Wrong conclusion.
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On October 19 2012 05:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
if I see someone constantly building cases off of night kills and useless arguments concerning role speculation? that they're scum for having so many thoughts about that shit
I'm not speculating about roles.
Roles exist.
I'm blue.
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On October 19 2012 05:39 kushm4sta wrote:
@austin if you are going to claim, then claim.
I don't want to claim the particular role, because reasons.
I'm also probably being dumb about this, but oh well. That still seems to be my MO concerning blue roles.
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On October 19 2012 05:42 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 05:41 austinmcc wrote:On October 19 2012 05:39 kushm4sta wrote:
@austin if you are going to claim, then claim. I don't want to claim the particular role, because reasons. I'm also probably being dumb about this, but oh well. That still seems to be my MO concerning blue roles. are the reasons that you don't want to be counterclaimed?
No. That's not what I'm worried about.
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On October 19 2012 05:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin, what would be your response to someone claiming blue if you previously suspected them of being scum?
It depends on the person? That's not a blanket thing.
Sometimes I believe claims, sometimes I don't. If it's a claim likely to get counterclaimed, or that can be disproven by a counterclaim, I'll almost always believe it (single boxer setups for GSL Opens, Liquid City's "these roles all exist" bit).
That's not really a question I can give an answer to that you want, unless it's just rhetorical and you're saying you don't buy it at all and it doesn't change your mind.
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On October 19 2012 05:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
It is somewhat rhetorical... trying to let you, if you're town, see the position I'm currently in
Sure, you can make of it what you will. But I need to start ramping things up if people are still on me, especially given that so many people have dropped votes (with me towards the top) and haven't been around for a good while.
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On October 19 2012 06:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
well I'm awaiting further developments.. I assume eventually he will actually claim.
This is the first time I've seen someone just claim blue so I dunno what to think about it
If I have to I'll fully claim. I think this is probably a bad way to go about doing this, but oh well. It's done now.
Driving home, back available in 20 or so.
Still think today's lynch should be kush or djo, still leaning kush.
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thrawn,
also there's the D1 vote sharing. his justifications for doing it were good, but I just don't see how he could have arrived at the point to do it in the first place. He only spent 1 vote until the finals, then used 3 out of his 9 votes for a candidate which, at the time he voted, needed a shit ton of votes to get lynched. Looks like hiding. It just doesn't seem like something a town player would do. the whole deal does strikes me as "guys i'm not gonna take a stance on anything, here i'm gonna let you use my votes because i'm so town" You think I just made those justifications up? If you don't, you think that I had those justifications as scum, "I'm gonna let you use my votes because I'm so town." You think I'd trade a scum buddy, who was going to be replaced by scumVE, for some town cred?
Also, keep that last bit of your quote in mind if I have to full claim.
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Eh, kush is all over the place on djodref. Less up and down than with his da0ud read, but still there.
Who should pass the potato at the start of D2?On October 14 2012 11:48 kushm4sta wrote:
prp and djodref, I choose you!
(Despite those votes D1)
On October 14 2012 12:24 kushm4sta wrote:
@djodref sorry I just pulled you out of my ass pretty much from looking at the votes. You gave up all your votes to try to push 1der through.
memetoss and prpl are top scumpicks ATM. Austin's case against memetoss makes good points. Sure he bussed ON but the bus looks pretty scummy.
It is perfectly reasonable to believe that at least one scum would bus their afk teammate.
Sry djodref, I pulled you out of my ass because you voted for the guy that was up against confirmed scum. No mention of why putting all your votes on the guy going up against confirmed scum is no biggie, or not suspicious at all.
On October 17 2012 06:42 kushm4sta wrote:
Massive time dump thread read progress note:
Memetoss and hiropro and looking really town.
Note: do not be fooled into thinking djodref is town from his long ass post. A lot of newbie scums do this as something safe and easy they can do to make them look town.
He's being nice, too nice. It's as if thrawn pointed the cheeriness of his meta d1 and since then he has gone into super happy friendly mode.
note to self, don't be fooled into thinking djodref town (Implies djodref scum?)On October 17 2012 07:58 kushm4sta wrote:
If I die:
first let me day I should not die. Either Austin or ET should die and if they don't something is very wrong.
I read straight through about half the thread and I feel confident in my current scumreads.
DJODREF
His scumstrat= make big posts, people will be impressed and think you are town. Look past the length and you will see his scumminess.
Yup. Long posts = scum. That's it.
Constantly has djo as scum. djo is #2 on his list at the start of the day, stays #2, becomes one of his top 3, kush promises case on djo. On October 17 2012 21:44 kushm4sta wrote:
guys real cases against thrawn and djo and a closer look at Austin is coming when I get home.
Any case? Nope. He's now townie for the reasons he was scummy + defense of mementoss's case + Show Spoiler +On October 18 2012 09:30 kushm4sta wrote:I change my mind about djodref. I don't think scum djo would be as comfortable writing long paragraphs like he does just sharing his thoughts. He has constructed, formatted cases, but he also has posts in which he freely shares of this thoughts. He seems really comfortable and at ease in the thread. Some examples: + Show Spoiler +On October 17 2012 09:42 Djodref wrote:
Regarding today's mechanics, I think we should run our majority lynch in parallel.
It's interesting to get the list so people should put them in the voting thread regardless of who is going to be lynched today (according to the lists).
With the parallel majority lynch (running until smthing like deadline - 1H), we decide what is the real target of the lynch today and we modify the lists in order to get the right guy lynched. I'm betting right now that it's going to be the same guy anyway.
I propose a majority vote for this idea !
I'm in !
##Vote Hopeless
Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 20:06 Djodref wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I've been reading the whole daoud turnover about thrawn just before and it made me regret my previous night post + Show Spoiler +On October 17 2012 01:00 Djodref wrote:
Why we shouldn't lynch Daoud
My main point here is that we have made a mistake while lynching prplhz and I'm afraid that we might do it again if we were to lynch Daoud. First I would like to compare the reasons why we want to lynch them. + Show Spoiler +I've tried to analyze the reasons which lead to the D2 prplhz's debacle. At that time, prplhz felt like the perfect lynch candidate. Mainly because of the following reasons - Questionable post quality
- Pushing Sandroba lynch, then backing off
- Attempt to get town credit for his last minute "save"
- Association with ON
- Holding onto the potato (scum players are known to like potato)
- Wanting to blow ET with his potato
Now let's take a look at the reasons advanced for daoud's lynch - OMGUSing, using weird logic to find scum
- Pushing Sandroba lynch, then having a very poor defense for his actions
- Association with ON
- Wanting for the majority to decide what to do with his potato (he didn't get to hold the potato at all but w/e)
If you see anything thing big that I have missed, I would enjoy to discuss it. Anyway, there are some common reasons between these two and I think that some of them are just not so good. I'm not saying that they are not valid but I don't think they should carry too much weight in our scumhunt. I'm going to elaborate the push of Sandroba and the association with ON in the next spoiler. Among us, we have been a lot to suspect Sandro during the first stages of D1: he didn't randomly advance to the finals. When you look at his filter until the following post, he looks pretty scummy. On October 13 2012 16:00 sandroba wrote:
I'm not going to fight against this lynch. This is simply too stupid to fight over and I don't feel like it. If you people stopped one second to look at this thread you would come to realise that is simply no way I'm scum purely based on how this situation came to be. Also there is no case against me. I refuse to defend myself against the ignorant uninformed opinion of a bunch of riotters. This is no way to play mafia. You have to look at the intricacies and not follow the mob rule that is usually driven by scum. I leave you sheep to your fate.
My reads so far is that ET austin hiro and kush are town. I honestly don't know anymore about ON cuz I would expect him to try to at least keep apearances as scum.
This djodref is either very dumb or scum. You would never as town (and inteligent) feel that a person that is standing up to you against the majority trying to lynch would be scum. Prpl and mementos are prob scum. I've been wanting to lynch him at this point and it was the same for Thrawn, Kush, and Daoud. I've haven't been here to witness the rise of town Sandro later on but I think it was totally ok to have wanted to lynch him at that time. We shouldn't have blamed prplhz for this and we should not blame anybody for this. After that, prplhz didn't realize his mistake fast enough and I guess that daoud wasn't even here to see the real town Sandro as he missed all the deadlines. Regarding the Daoud's defense regarding his vote, I would agree that it looks pretty bad. I don't want to give him total clearance because of this precise point but given the general level of his posts and his awareness of the game, I can imagine him as total town newbie with clumsy defense.
ON was a lurker. I don't know what we can guess from his few interactions with the world. The two votes he threw on me were not even useful, I don't see any purpose for them. They might have been real panic votes, maybe not. We don't know.
Same, anybody could say anything about a lurker. Mafia can try to bus or to save. Town can say scummy or townie (see prplhz as an extreme example). The thing is that he was a lurker. We cannot have anything tangible from this.
If we discard the previous reasons, here is what is left - OMGUSing, using weird logic to find scum
- Wanting for the majority to decide what to do with his potato (he didn't get to hold the potato at all but w/e)
I think these reasons are not a making a solid enough case. He could be newb scum or he could be newb town but my guts are leaning towards town when I read his filter. Especially when he has tried to improve his play during potato day. Regarding the potato, prplhz didn't pass it and it was not town in my eyes but maybe you see things differently when you have everybody on your back. One last thing. When I'm looking back at D2, I have a feeling this day was wasted. Because we had two obvious targets, we didn't think about if they were the right targets or not. Please think how easy it would be to push such mislynches when no one is thinking twice. Mafia totally got us and I bet they were enjoying nice holidays. Daoud is looking scummy but he is not the right target. I have a strong feeling that he is in fact a newbie that is going to be mislynched. I would prefer than we not lynch him and focus on the right targets starting from tomorrow. I'm going to present them to you in my following posts. I have been preparing this post after prplhz tragic explosion, and I was wondering if daoud could be the scum of two like I've stated here. On October 15 2012 18:18 Djodref wrote:/snip About prplhz and daoudMy feeling is that we definitively have a scum between the two but not that the two of them are scum. Honestly, if they were both scum, I would expect them to concede right now. I'm really more confident that prplhz is the scum out of them two. I would be happy to see them passing the potato to each other  I've realized that we didn't think about prplhz lynch enough and thus I have considered carefully why we should lynch Daoud. At this time, I found out that he was more likely to be a mislynch than anything else, hence my night post. Unfortunately, his behavior right now at he beginning has made me doubt again. I was wondering if he could really be scum or not while re-reading the whole thread and I came to the conclusion that he is certainly a mislynch ! I'll elaborate in my next post. It's a bit WIFOMy but I think it's good I would expect first time djo to think way more about his posts and be more reserved. Mementoss I don't like your case on djo. Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 07:34 Mementoss wrote:
In conclusion recap:
1Hard defense on Ro3 ON vs Hopeless, uses all votes
2Hard defense on ON , trying to convince people to vote sandroba
3puttin doubt on ON lynch
4Double standards on different lurkers, ON vs Hiro/hopeless/me early
5weak case on prplhz, doesn't attempt to look outside prplhz and da0d even though he thinks da0d is town and has a good chance at being lynched
6Trying really hard to look town and harmless, calling himself a noob and bad and smiley faces.
7Isn't pushing his town read day 3 or his scum reads
8pretty much has been floating by without suspicion because of ON's panic votes. WIFOM, ON coulda been bused and coulda been used to make djo look townie.
1 I think it's a mistake to read too much into the votes d1. It's very possible no scum had votes on sandroba, or they did and then took them off when they saw the tide changing, like thrawn. 2 This is understandable from a town perspective. 3 same as 2 4 Perhaps there are inconsistencies in his idea, but I expect that from newb town. 5 The urge to sheep was strong that day lol. It seemed like a really sure thing and prpl wasn't helping with threatening to give it to ET. 6 His smiley face usage is consistent with his last game. He also called himself noob and bad many times. 7 Probably comes from his lack of confidence? It seems like he is very happy when people agree with him though. 8 WIFOM. He COULD be scum from his voting record. But look at the tone and the ease of his posts. ##DEFENSE DJODREF
But nope, lowers djo because - On October 19 2012 07:01 kushm4sta wrote:
I lowered djo solely because I want to lynch austin, so I want to increase his lead.
Except he's spent half of today with djo at the top of his list, and half with djo at the bottom + defending a case against him and finding him "the cutest thing ever."On October 19 2012 05:07 kushm4sta wrote:
@djodref
I love you dude you make me smile every time I read one of your posts. That's not just buddying to you, that's the truth. You are literally the cutest thing ever. Are all french people like you?
Also look at hiro d1, before he went afk. Just read through his filter, it looks town. His lurkiness, that was not deliberate. We know that now because he asked for a replacement. Reconsider austin. Vote him higher please.
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On October 19 2012 07:06 kushm4sta wrote:
I thought djo was scum then I changed my mind once I read through his filter and thought about it more.
On October 19 2012 07:01 kushm4sta wrote:
I lowered djo solely because I want to lynch austin, so I want to increase his lead.
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On October 19 2012 07:09 kushm4sta wrote:
Austin's play reeks of desperation.
Rawr, I so stinky.
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On October 19 2012 07:11 kushm4sta wrote:
Austin claim your fake role. There's only an hour left. I don't see why you are waiting so long.
Because it's information I don't want mafia to have if I don't HAVE to give it up.
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On October 19 2012 07:14 kushm4sta wrote:
If you wait until the last second that puts a lot of pressure on people to decide quick. We won't even be able to make a smart decision about your claim
You may not be able to make a smart decision about my claim regardless.
Also how is da0ud leading...
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You'll either believe me or not. I don't think you need to look over too much. Thrawn, keep that last sentence of your post about my explanation in your head, the whole deal does strikes me as "guys i'm not gonna take a stance on anything, here i'm gonna let you use my votes because i'm so town"
Frankly I'm talking to one person that I think might be town, so it's not like there's really boatloads of reasons to claim. I'm not sure whether you can swing the lynch or not, based on hopeless's counts.
And again, this is information I'd rather not be out in public if it doesn't have to be, today.
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On October 19 2012 07:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
sorry austin i'm too stupid to figure out what you';re trying to suggest but i'm still thinking about it
It'll somewhat make sense. You still may not believe it, but there are reasons I'm being stupidly cryptic here.
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I have a feeling we're just going to get nothing but potato lynches for the rest of the game because then there's no counting
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