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Here was the order of events, with timestamps:
On October 04 2012 01:52 strongandbig wrote:
also i've thought about it and i think that saying this is a good idea right now: my night action was successful but i don't have complete control over who it targets.
On October 04 2012 16:19 Drazerk wrote:
S+B you should probably claim what happened to you last night that would probably help things.
On October 05 2012 01:16 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm town, not third party.
Sorry that I've been busy. I've been basically trying to avoid being modkilled. I was at home on vacation and spending time with my family and friends. Now I'm back at work and adjusting to jetlag, so still not the best playing conditions, but hopefully a little better.
I really do think that nisani is scum though.
I'll roleclaim.
I am ATLAS. I breadcrumbed this earlier when I /shrugged.
My role is "reverse hider" - basically it's a bodyguard, I have extra lives and if my target gets shot I take the hit instead. Last night I took a scum hit that was aimed at someone else. I can do the same thing tonight.
My role says that since P-BODY and I are "so in sync", whoever P-BODY targets with their ability I also target with my ability. I don't know what P-BODY's ability is, however, and I don't know if their ability also targets the person I target my ability at.
So I know that last night I took a hit that was aimed at someone else. However, I don't know if it was aimed at the person I targeted, beacuse it could have been aimed at the person P-BODY targeted.
I don't even know if P-BODY is town. I am working on the assumption that they are, however, since having my power target a scum target doesn't make much sense to me. It's possible though. I also am assuming that P-BODY is town because of flavor - ATLAS and P-BODY are test takers, and GLaDOS's flavor as well as mine indicate that the town is the people taking the tests, and the scum are the people making the tests.
I'm unsure whether P-BODY should claim at this point. On the one hand, it would mean outing themselves - although they don't necessarily have to claim what their power is, and since everyone in this game probably has a power of some sort it wouldn't necessarily mean they're making themselves a scum blue-snipe target.
But since I don't know P-BODY is town, he doesn't know if I'm town either. All he could confirm is if he knows that the ATLAS role exists, and if the thing I'm saying about targets is true if he also has that. If he is also town then he could also confirm my flavor speculation, about the test-makers being scum and the test-takers being town. If you believe that line of reasoning, then ATLAS and P-BODY have to be town if those roles exist, and therefore confirming that the roles exist would help people not lynch me.
So for the moment, I think P-BODY should wait to see how people react to the roleclaim and only claim themselves if it looks like I'm still the main lynch target and they think claiming would help keep me from getting lynched.
On October 05 2012 01:29 Drazerk wrote:
No sb I shot you T_T
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That first post from S+B isn't anything lol it just implies he did something and survived he never claimed getting hit until the 1:16
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On October 06 2012 05:20 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:17 Keirathi wrote:On October 06 2012 05:16 JingleHell wrote:On October 06 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote:On October 06 2012 05:06 Drazerk wrote:
I actually claimed the shot before S+B claimed sorry Kei check again No you didn't? On October 04 2012 01:52 strongandbig wrote:
also i've thought about it and i think that saying this is a good idea right now: my night action was successful but i don't have complete control over who it targets. On October 05 2012 01:29 Drazerk wrote:
No sb I shot you T_T I don't see you claiming the shot anywhere before that. IIRC he did mention a night action before then, but he also said it went through and that was all he was saying. Was ambiguous the first time. Wat. S&B was the one who claimed his ambiguous night action went through. Which is the post I quoted. It was 24 hours later before Drazak claimed that it was a shot on S&B. Ah. Fair enough. Hard to keep their posts this game separate sometimes.
T___T that's like the worst insult I've ever heard.
What do people think about this recent post by ghost403? I think ghost403 is quite possibly scum.
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On October 06 2012 05:23 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:20 JingleHell wrote:On October 06 2012 05:17 Keirathi wrote:On October 06 2012 05:16 JingleHell wrote:On October 06 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote:On October 06 2012 05:06 Drazerk wrote:
I actually claimed the shot before S+B claimed sorry Kei check again No you didn't? On October 04 2012 01:52 strongandbig wrote:
also i've thought about it and i think that saying this is a good idea right now: my night action was successful but i don't have complete control over who it targets. On October 05 2012 01:29 Drazerk wrote:
No sb I shot you T_T I don't see you claiming the shot anywhere before that. IIRC he did mention a night action before then, but he also said it went through and that was all he was saying. Was ambiguous the first time. Wat. S&B was the one who claimed his ambiguous night action went through. Which is the post I quoted. It was 24 hours later before Drazak claimed that it was a shot on S&B. Ah. Fair enough. Hard to keep their posts this game separate sometimes. T___T that's like the worst insult I've ever heard. What do people think about this recent post by ghost403? I think ghost403 is quite possibly scum.
As Far as his Recent post, I get something else from it. However, what I get isn't alignment-indicative really.
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On October 06 2012 05:20 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:10 gonzaw wrote:
Yeah, it's possible.
However, if there was 1 KP that got to S&B. someone must have shot it. If the guy that shot it was town, he'd have claimed, therefore it's either scum or SK KP (basically anti-town KP). Drazerk claimed that KP and nobody cc'ed, so it at least proves Drazerk shot him (whether as town, scum or SK).
You may be right about the targets though, maybe a town bus driver bussed S&B with a pro-town townie and scum/SK Drazerk shot S&B instead of his intended target.
Yeah, we might leave that out until we have more claims or knowledge of night actions. However, if no town night action interfered with the kill, I think it's highly likely that if Drazerk is scum his shot was on the target he intended.
It could be the same for 3rd party Drazerk, but maybe scum bussed S&B with someone and Drazerk didn't know. This response is so wrong there's no justification for it from a town point of view. Let's take a moment to examine what was said here: - Any unclaimed shot must be anti-town
- Unquestioning belief that Draz is telling the truth
- More blue fishing
- Stuff that was just plain wrong
There are reasons why unclaimed shots might have been from someone in the town. For example, Lord Kanti's KP from Aperture Mafia. Based on the flips that have already occured this game, I don't think that it's irrational to assume that a role with KP doesn't have some other stuff associated with it. The fact that Draz didn't immediately claim his shot doesn't imply that he's scum. That second part about the busdriver is (a) wrong and (b) blue fishing. In the event of a busdriver, 98% of the time, the person performing the action isn't notified of a bussing. Therefore, Draz would not know that he had bussed, and wouldn't have known to claim that he shot S+B. And why on earth are you implying that there's a town busdriver to begin with? Why do you keep fishing for blues? As town, you should know better than to spout off stuff like this. You would have taken a step back and realized that this post doesn't accomplish anything other than create more chaos while people discuss why you are completely wrong. Town gonzaw is better than this.
...is this post serious? Do I really have to point out all the stuff you misinterpreted or got wrong?
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On October 05 2012 13:49 gonzaw wrote:
Please make points about me being scum that don't have anything to do with you or "starting fights" with you or "insulting" you or discrediting you or "misinterpreting" you.
I won't ask you again.
On October 06 2012 03:56 gonzaw wrote:
Anyways, I guess I'm kind of angry at you because I know my own intentions that I had in my posts and I know you are heavily misinterpreting them.
Huh, I guess that's the problem with playing in text-form.
On October 06 2012 05:33 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:20 ghost_403 wrote:On October 06 2012 05:10 gonzaw wrote:
Yeah, it's possible.
However, if there was 1 KP that got to S&B. someone must have shot it. If the guy that shot it was town, he'd have claimed, therefore it's either scum or SK KP (basically anti-town KP). Drazerk claimed that KP and nobody cc'ed, so it at least proves Drazerk shot him (whether as town, scum or SK).
You may be right about the targets though, maybe a town bus driver bussed S&B with a pro-town townie and scum/SK Drazerk shot S&B instead of his intended target.
Yeah, we might leave that out until we have more claims or knowledge of night actions. However, if no town night action interfered with the kill, I think it's highly likely that if Drazerk is scum his shot was on the target he intended.
It could be the same for 3rd party Drazerk, but maybe scum bussed S&B with someone and Drazerk didn't know. This response is so wrong there's no justification for it from a town point of view. Let's take a moment to examine what was said here: - Any unclaimed shot must be anti-town
- Unquestioning belief that Draz is telling the truth
- More blue fishing
- Stuff that was just plain wrong
There are reasons why unclaimed shots might have been from someone in the town. For example, Lord Kanti's KP from Aperture Mafia. Based on the flips that have already occured this game, I don't think that it's irrational to assume that a role with KP doesn't have some other stuff associated with it. The fact that Draz didn't immediately claim his shot doesn't imply that he's scum. That second part about the busdriver is (a) wrong and (b) blue fishing. In the event of a busdriver, 98% of the time, the person performing the action isn't notified of a bussing. Therefore, Draz would not know that he had bussed, and wouldn't have known to claim that he shot S+B. And why on earth are you implying that there's a town busdriver to begin with? Why do you keep fishing for blues? As town, you should know better than to spout off stuff like this. You would have taken a step back and realized that this post doesn't accomplish anything other than create more chaos while people discuss why you are completely wrong. Town gonzaw is better than this. ...is this post serious? Do I really have to point out all the stuff you misinterpreted or got wrong?
If you don't like other people talking about being misinterpreted, why is it turning into your default response after saying that?
Funny thing, you were threatening to get me lynched at the time for being so scummy as to make a case involving you misinterpreting me...
So now you're doing something you personally implied heavily was scummy behavior.
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jingle i read your case i will comment on it if i am alive tomorrow
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Who is talking about being misinterpreted?
What "scummy behaviour"? I'm not "misinterpreting" ghost, he's misinterpreting me (quite badly).
Seriously Jingle I just don't get some of your posts or why you even bother posting them.
Are you seriously just sitting on your chair, gluing your face to the monitor waiting for me to make any post at all to completely dissect and post how it's scummy?
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Going to miss deadline driving home, want to get some final thoughts on in case of le dying.
We've seen a superjailer, a medic, and a claimed bodyguard. We saw one NK. Scum would only have 1 KP N1 if they'd started with 2 or 3 members, and it's feeling like that's too much protection for a 2 or 3 man scum team to be the only anti-town force.
So I'm currently thinking the scum team either started at 4 and we blocked one KP (perhaps snb's hit was mafia?) OR there are 2-4 scum and third party with KP and KP-oriented objective. 5 anti-town players or not-town players seems like a lot, so, just spitballing, I'd expect like...4 scum or 3 scum 1 SK/third party (although there could be an actual faction? 3 scum + 2-man other faction?). I guess we see what happens with the daypost, but those seem most likely.
Keirathi's posting this last little bit looks townier to me than his D1.
Drazerk shouldn't be alive at LYLO. I think his votes D1 are scummy. I think he's absolutely lying about being a one-shot vigi, but oh well, he's Drazerk. I'd be more worried if it felt like he'd claimed a real role the first time he claimed something. He's a pretty likely scum candidate AND he's just Drazerk, so at some point over the next day or two we need to clear him out.
Anyone who's scummy on Gonzaw's speculation, look at Can't Believe and also the full-on magic mini where he hydraed. There was speculation in both those games that I found scummy, especially magic, and he was townie in both. I think we need to keep discussing him, look at him for a possible lynch, but he can be a really scummy setup speculator even as town.
Unless anyone can explain that case/vote on mattchew from JH D1 frmo a scummy perspective, how it makes ANY sense to do as scum, JH is town. I keep looking back at it, but I can't find a scum angle on that post and it's just...it's just a town post. A town-only post.
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On October 06 2012 05:30 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:23 strongandbig wrote:On October 06 2012 05:20 JingleHell wrote:On October 06 2012 05:17 Keirathi wrote:On October 06 2012 05:16 JingleHell wrote:On October 06 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote:On October 06 2012 05:06 Drazerk wrote:
I actually claimed the shot before S+B claimed sorry Kei check again No you didn't? On October 04 2012 01:52 strongandbig wrote:
also i've thought about it and i think that saying this is a good idea right now: my night action was successful but i don't have complete control over who it targets. On October 05 2012 01:29 Drazerk wrote:
No sb I shot you T_T I don't see you claiming the shot anywhere before that. IIRC he did mention a night action before then, but he also said it went through and that was all he was saying. Was ambiguous the first time. Wat. S&B was the one who claimed his ambiguous night action went through. Which is the post I quoted. It was 24 hours later before Drazak claimed that it was a shot on S&B. Ah. Fair enough. Hard to keep their posts this game separate sometimes. T___T that's like the worst insult I've ever heard. What do people think about this recent post by ghost403? I think ghost403 is quite possibly scum. As Far as his Recent post, I get something else from it. However, what I get isn't alignment-indicative really.
what about the rest of his filter though
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On October 06 2012 05:50 gonzaw wrote:
Who is talking about being misinterpreted?
What "scummy behaviour"? I'm not "misinterpreting" ghost, he's misinterpreting me (quite badly).
Seriously Jingle I just don't get some of your posts or why you even bother posting them.
Are you seriously just sitting on your chair, gluing your face to the monitor waiting for me to make any post at all to completely dissect and post how it's scummy?
When I'm able to be at my computer, yes, I keep a close eye on the game. Is activity a problem? You act like I only respond to you. You're one of the people who posts frequently, and you're scummy as fuck, so yes, I do respond pointing out the scummy things you do a lot, but acting like I ignore the rest of the game is absurd.
And frankly, you really need to stop reacting, especially since you've spent so much time harping about my "bad town" play.
You were threatening me, saying I should stop saying you misinterpreted me. Since making that post, saying that you're being misinterpreted is becoming a frequent "defense". You were acting like I was being scummy, hence the threats. This implies that you doing it would, by your logic, also be scummy.
I'd rather not reiterate this constantly, so actually try to understand it. There's a first time for everything.
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So I am going to head home, idk whether I'll be there before deadline.
In case I die here's what I'm thinking.
Ghost is looking scummy. His filter is pretty noncommital, and I just don't get town vibes over it. He was very inactive during the day1 godfather lynch which fits an expected scum profile since there was not even an attempt to create an alternative bandwagon.
Kill drazerk. kill it with fire.
The more I think about it, the more I think I might be wrong to be giving Mattchew the benefit of the doubt for his vote on iamperfection. It's just kind of the thing he would do. However, I'm not getting a very strong read one way or the other out of his filter. Just a comment to be wary.
I think keirathi is town - I actually had a town read on him in my spreadsheet before he claimed, because of the stuff he said about plurality lynch and splitting votes.
I think austin is town. I can't really say why. His posts just feel townie.
I think that everyone who voted for iamperfection is town except maybe mattchew (see above).
That leaves gonzaw, jinglehell, drazerk and ghost.
jinglehell and gonzaw are hard to make much out of. I think it's weird that jingle is being so fucking aggro towards gonzaw. OTOH I haven't been getting the same scummy vibes out of Gonzaw that I usually do; but he's a pretty good scum player capable of multiple styles. So be wary of those two.
Still, I think town kills should be prioritized:
- Drazerk
- Ghost
- Jingle
- Gonzaw
Lynch those dudes and I think we win.
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I think everyone who voted Iamperfection should be scrutinized more rather than abandoned...
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On October 06 2012 06:08 strongandbig wrote:
So I am going to head home, idk whether I'll be there before deadline.
In case I die here's what I'm thinking.
Ghost is looking scummy. His filter is pretty noncommital, and I just don't get town vibes over it. He was very inactive during the day1 godfather lynch which fits an expected scum profile since there was not even an attempt to create an alternative bandwagon.
Kill drazerk. kill it with fire.
The more I think about it, the more I think I might be wrong to be giving Mattchew the benefit of the doubt for his vote on iamperfection. It's just kind of the thing he would do. However, I'm not getting a very strong read one way or the other out of his filter. Just a comment to be wary.
I think keirathi is town - I actually had a town read on him in my spreadsheet before he claimed, because of the stuff he said about plurality lynch and splitting votes.
I think austin is town. I can't really say why. His posts just feel townie.
I think that everyone who voted for iamperfection is town except maybe mattchew (see above).
That leaves gonzaw, jinglehell, drazerk and ghost.
jinglehell and gonzaw are hard to make much out of. I think it's weird that jingle is being so fucking aggro towards gonzaw. OTOH I haven't been getting the same scummy vibes out of Gonzaw that I usually do; but he's a pretty good scum player capable of multiple styles. So be wary of those two.
Still, I think town kills should be prioritized:
- Drazerk
- Ghost
- Jingle
- Gonzaw
Lynch those dudes and I think we win.
quick question, what did you think of my case on you?
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You forgot Hiro S&B
Where has ghost gone? You can't just lurk lurk, make a bad post and then disappear.
Anyways, having some thoughts and changes of mind and shit, I'll try to write something before the deadline
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EBWOP: Nevermind you included him with XFire
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Meh sorry, too tired to write something. My reads aren't quite coherent though, so I don't think it would make a difference if I died and didn't post them.
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hots invite be back maybe never
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wanted to post this at the deadline but i can't be there. and there's a pretty good chance i'm going to die so just going to get all my thoughts out.
Mattchew is town. He voted for perfection, made what I thought was a good case then (not the kind of case you make just to distance yourself from a scum partner), and just seems consistently townie with his attitude and the way he's scumhunting.
crossfire is probably town simply cause I don't think as a new player he would bus, especially not like that. And he would probably have known the voting rules if he was scum.
leaning town on keirathi and austin. keirathi looked town to me from the beginning cause of the plan he had - it seemed real and not backing it up after the fact and his anger about having to claim and general attitude seem genuine to me. austin because of the way he's presenting his thoughts on people - he goes through like his entire process (especially that part where he talked about keirathi when responding to Mementoss's case) - that's a really hard thing to do as scum and I don't see him being able to do it.
s&b shouldn't be lynched since he's linked with keirathi.
I think drazerk is scum. He's ignored my question on why he was concerned about self-preservation (if you look at games he's played in the past, he almost always seems to say that town should just shoot him or get rid of him at some point since he's not very useful and hard to read). I know he said that (willing to die) as scum also in PTP3 but the
situations aren't very similar. This is a mini where scum has already lost a very powerful role on day 1, not like PTP3 which was a big game. Self-preservation is something that mafia have to be concerned about. Then the way that his views regarding s&b have shifted strikes me as really unnatural (at first he says s&b is definitely scum cause he knows not to go after drazerk,then later drazerk says that he shot s&b to protect himself and then starts to fearmonger based on setup stuff).
I'm leaning scum on gonzaw. the rolefishing stuff that people are talking about though is not very good - town gonzaw is fully capable of doing that also. gonzaw said earlier that if jinglehell doesn't present a good case on him (not like the stuff
jinglehell was posting earlier about gonzaw, then jingle is scum. but now that jinglehell has made a case (which largely reads as if it is just everything that jinglehell had previously said about gonzaw in one cleaner post), and gonzaw has treated the case as if it was horrendous, gonzaw has done nothing to say that jinglehell is scum. instead he's continued to treat jinglehell as some kind of misguided townie. that's really the one thing that's making me think he's scum. in terms of his other behavior, i'm just not sure, i can see him doing them as either scum or town ( I took a look back through bureaucracy and his thoughts then too seemed genuine to me).
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Hiro I screw with my meta on purpose don't bring in old games here.
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