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On October 06 2012 04:41 gonzaw wrote:
@Keirathi: I was getting that feel after reading some filters and reasserting town reads I had (haven't finished yet), but I want to ask you one question:
S&B got shot, Drazerk claimed the shot as 1-shot vigilante, and nobody else did. We can assume then that no other townie shot S&B, and it was Drazerk either way, right?
If Drazerk didn't shoot him, then he's lying, therefore he's scum, but scum shot him and that includes Drazerk; therefore Drazerk shot him.
My question is: did Drazerk shoot S&B or Hiro? (S&B claimed he protected Hiro). Unless Drazerk is 3rd party SK I don't see why he'd kill S&B as scum.
I mean, scum would waste 2 KP on Mementos and S&B? I don't think I buy that.
So basically: is Drazerk 3rd party who killed S&B so S&B didn't get on his ass (or maybe even shot Hiro as SK); or is Drazerk scum and shot Hiro?
(or of course another explanation if you have one)
Third party with KP is definitely an option.
But, I think this is all too much speculation considering we literally have no idea what the roles in this game are. There are literally a mountain of possibilities. There could be a Portal Gun role (aka something like a bus driver), you're forgetting the fact that whoever I target with my role S&B also targets so that person could have been shot and triggered S&Bs hit notifications, etc etc.
Look at Drazerk's explanation for wanting to lynch S&B midway through day 2. He kept screaming "I shot S&B and he survived". But he didn't claim the shot before S&B claimed that he (or his target, or my target...we literally have no idea) was hit. I wouldn't think it would be that big of a stretch to claim that you were the one that made that hit and since he survived you believe him to be a BP scum if you yourself were scum. S&B already had some momentum going, he just needed to add a little fuel to the fire, and when S&B flipped town, its not like he would have even been wrong about S&B surviving the shot, just on his conclusion.
But for a little more clarification, a question for S&B: Does your role PM say anything about you specifically surviving shots yourself? Or only giving protection to your targets?
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I actually claimed the shot before S+B claimed sorry Kei check again
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I hate when people play the woe is me I think imma stop playing mafia defense as town or scum... It's terrible and makes me feel bad
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On October 06 2012 05:07 Mattchew wrote:
I hate when people play the woe is me I think imma stop playing mafia defense as town or scum... It's terrible and makes me feel bad
Aren't you one of the ones who's wanted input on cases made from me?
Karma. Input, please. On both parts, preferably.
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Yeah, it's possible.
However, if there was 1 KP that got to S&B. someone must have shot it. If the guy that shot it was town, he'd have claimed, therefore it's either scum or SK KP (basically anti-town KP). Drazerk claimed that KP and nobody cc'ed, so it at least proves Drazerk shot him (whether as town, scum or SK).
You may be right about the targets though, maybe a town bus driver bussed S&B with a pro-town townie and scum/SK Drazerk shot S&B instead of his intended target.
Yeah, we might leave that out until we have more claims or knowledge of night actions. However, if no town night action interfered with the kill, I think it's highly likely that if Drazerk is scum his shot was on the target he intended.
It could be the same for 3rd party Drazerk, but maybe scum bussed S&B with someone and Drazerk didn't know.
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On October 06 2012 05:07 Mattchew wrote:
I hate when people play the woe is me I think imma stop playing mafia defense as town or scum... It's terrible and makes me feel bad
You'll understand later.
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You can't use normal logic with me.
How many times does this have to be stated
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Also claiming my shot before S+B claimed means I would of had to know about any busdrivers / hiro bullshit
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On October 06 2012 05:06 Drazerk wrote:
I actually claimed the shot before S+B claimed sorry Kei check again
No you didn't?
On October 04 2012 01:52 strongandbig wrote:
also i've thought about it and i think that saying this is a good idea right now: my night action was successful but i don't have complete control over who it targets.
On October 05 2012 01:29 Drazerk wrote:
No sb I shot you T_T
I don't see you claiming the shot anywhere before that.
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On October 06 2012 05:13 Drazerk wrote:
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On October 04 2012 16:19 Drazerk wrote:
S+B you should probably claim what happened to you last night that would probably help things.
This is no claim. You are asking S&B to tell us what happened last night.
...no that's ambiguous as hell we can't assume you claimed there.
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Well thats me claiming so deal with it
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On October 06 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:06 Drazerk wrote:
I actually claimed the shot before S+B claimed sorry Kei check again No you didn't? Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 01:52 strongandbig wrote:
also i've thought about it and i think that saying this is a good idea right now: my night action was successful but i don't have complete control over who it targets. I don't see you claiming the shot anywhere before that.
IIRC he did mention a night action before then, but he also said it went through and that was all he was saying.
Was ambiguous the first time.
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You guys collectively assume to much and its going to bite you in the asses come the end of the game
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On October 06 2012 05:16 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote:On October 06 2012 05:06 Drazerk wrote:
I actually claimed the shot before S+B claimed sorry Kei check again No you didn't? On October 04 2012 01:52 strongandbig wrote:
also i've thought about it and i think that saying this is a good idea right now: my night action was successful but i don't have complete control over who it targets. On October 05 2012 01:29 Drazerk wrote:
No sb I shot you T_T I don't see you claiming the shot anywhere before that. IIRC he did mention a night action before then, but he also said it went through and that was all he was saying. Was ambiguous the first time.
Wat.
S&B was the one who claimed his ambiguous night action went through. Which is the post I quoted.
It was 24 hours later before Drazak claimed that it was a shot on S&B.
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At the end of the day this is the same as Bastard - before Lylo ONE of you have to die.
There is no Ifs or buts about this Kei its just stupid play not to, if you want to moan you shouldn't of killed our medic with a lynch.
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On October 06 2012 05:10 gonzaw wrote:
Yeah, it's possible.
However, if there was 1 KP that got to S&B. someone must have shot it. If the guy that shot it was town, he'd have claimed, therefore it's either scum or SK KP (basically anti-town KP). Drazerk claimed that KP and nobody cc'ed, so it at least proves Drazerk shot him (whether as town, scum or SK).
You may be right about the targets though, maybe a town bus driver bussed S&B with a pro-town townie and scum/SK Drazerk shot S&B instead of his intended target.
Yeah, we might leave that out until we have more claims or knowledge of night actions. However, if no town night action interfered with the kill, I think it's highly likely that if Drazerk is scum his shot was on the target he intended.
It could be the same for 3rd party Drazerk, but maybe scum bussed S&B with someone and Drazerk didn't know.
This response is so wrong there's no justification for it from a town point of view.
Let's take a moment to examine what was said here:
- Any unclaimed shot must be anti-town
- Unquestioning belief that Draz is telling the truth
- More blue fishing
- Stuff that was just plain wrong
There are reasons why unclaimed shots might have been from someone in the town. For example, Lord Kanti's KP from Aperture Mafia. Based on the flips that have already occured this game, I don't think that it's irrational to assume that a role with KP doesn't have some other stuff associated with it. The fact that Draz didn't immediately claim his shot doesn't imply that he's scum.
That second part about the busdriver is (a) wrong and (b) blue fishing. In the event of a busdriver, 98% of the time, the person performing the action isn't notified of a bussing. Therefore, Draz would not know that he had bussed, and wouldn't have known to claim that he shot S+B. And why on earth are you implying that there's a town busdriver to begin with? Why do you keep fishing for blues?
As town, you should know better than to spout off stuff like this. You would have taken a step back and realized that this post doesn't accomplish anything other than create more chaos while people discuss why you are completely wrong. Town gonzaw is better than this.
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On October 06 2012 05:17 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:16 JingleHell wrote:On October 06 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote:On October 06 2012 05:06 Drazerk wrote:
I actually claimed the shot before S+B claimed sorry Kei check again No you didn't? On October 04 2012 01:52 strongandbig wrote:
also i've thought about it and i think that saying this is a good idea right now: my night action was successful but i don't have complete control over who it targets. On October 05 2012 01:29 Drazerk wrote:
No sb I shot you T_T I don't see you claiming the shot anywhere before that. IIRC he did mention a night action before then, but he also said it went through and that was all he was saying. Was ambiguous the first time. Wat. S&B was the one who claimed his ambiguous night action went through. Which is the post I quoted. It was 24 hours later before Drazak claimed that it was a shot on S&B.
Ah. Fair enough. Hard to keep their posts this game separate sometimes.
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