But your role would be useless and you would be a confirmed "vig", and there would be no ambiguity abotu S&Bs shot.

1-shot vigs always claim their shots since they become VTs afterwards, whether they land or not (normally they claim right before the deadline so they are confirmed).

If you are scum/3rd party you could have lied when in fact you as scum/SK shot S&B's target. Or you could have just made a very bold move as SK/scum and actually shot S&B and then claimed it for some reason

@S&B: Can you confirm that the shot on you was supposed to go on your target or if it went directly to you?

strongandbig

United States4858 Posts

October 04 2012 16:42 GMT

#569

Let me explain a bit about why I am so pissed at Drazerk.

On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:

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I never defend myself

You should know this by now

On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:

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I have my reasons

Drazerk wrote:

Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game.

Those are quotes from PTP3 where he was scum.

On June 19 2012 05:08 Drazerk wrote:

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I don't want to be lynched I want to be shot there is a difference

On June 19 2012 05:05 Drazerk wrote:

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You clearly have never seen me play town... I need to be killed before lylo if town want to win (unless I get mod confirmed or some shit like that)

These are quotes from Bastard Mafia 2 where he was town.

It infuriates me that he keeps playing like this and no one holds him accountable. He consciously sacrifices his town play to make his scum play better. In both of those games, he wasn't lynched because people just said "oh it's drazerk playing like drazerk." The thing is, this isn't like kenpachi or other bad players where that's just how they play - drazerk consciously does this as his "play style." He's not trying to help the town, and it just makes me really mad.

Drazerk, being 100% honest here - you being in games makes them less fun for me.

Seeing him say things here like "you can't apply logic to me" pisses me off. That's why I've been tunnelling him. I really, truly honestly want him to die.

I also think he's scum because of the circular logic thing and because he's trying to kill me without actually explaining anything. But I recognize that that alone doesn't explain the extent to which my posts have been focused on him this game.

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

October 04 2012 16:42 GMT

#570

lol Kei - never believe a role claim in a game i'm involved in

gonzaw

Uruguay4911 Posts

October 04 2012 16:42 GMT

#571

If P-Body claims then he couldn't have made up that stuff. That's like the easiest way to see if his claim is legit or not (P-Body should have a similar claim)

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

October 04 2012 16:44 GMT

#572

Scum buddies both lying its not even hard to lie about that

gonzaw

Uruguay4911 Posts

October 04 2012 16:44 GMT

#573

Drazerk, you claimed your ability, you might as well claim your role name (if it's something like "Chell" or "Companion Cube" then it's not the same if it's "Aperture Science Turret" or hell maybe even "Cave johnson" or maybe even "Wheatly")

gonzaw

Uruguay4911 Posts

October 04 2012 16:45 GMT

#574

On October 05 2012 01:44 Drazerk wrote:
Scum buddies both lying its not even hard to lie about that

Then they are both outed....?

Kill one and the other one is confirmed scum.
Check one (DT/tracker/watcher/etc) and the other one is confirmed scum.

Scum got lynched on D1, why would they risk outing their whole team like that?

strongandbig

United States4858 Posts

October 04 2012 16:45 GMT

#575

I reread the PM I got last night - it doesn't confirm whether or not the shot was on me or the target.

The target was HiroPro. I wanted to protect someone who voted for iamperfection. I had mementoss as my target originally, because I thought he was the best player out of those four, but someone made a case on him that was pretty good so I thought someone like hiro would be more likely to take a shot because they weren't under pressure.

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

October 04 2012 16:46 GMT

#576

Gambits are fun and they now know town's vigilante has no bullets

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

October 04 2012 16:46 GMT

#577

If he is a reverse hider its possible he would take the target's alignment as well

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

October 04 2012 16:47 GMT

#578

Lets not forget GF, Framer etc etc

strongandbig

United States4858 Posts

October 04 2012 16:48 GMT

#579

Gonzaw I've said - I don't know whether or not P-BODY is town or scum or third party. I'm guessing he's town because of the flavor - I think the odds are good but I don't think it's conclusive and you can't treat it as 100% that the people claiming those are the same alignment.

gonzaw

Uruguay4911 Posts

October 04 2012 16:49 GMT

#580

On October 05 2012 01:46 Drazerk wrote:
If he is a reverse hider its possible he would take the target's alignment as well

...?

The GF is already dead (iamperfection).
Iamperfection seemed like the most "buffed up" scum (with GlaDOS seeming the most "obvious" villain) and had a lot of powers. He was GF, RBer, etc. I don't think another scum has similar abilities to him.

I don't even know what your point is...?