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gonzaw
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On October 09 2012 08:45 strongandbig wrote: No gonzaw it's because you were voting for someone who you didn't think was scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174¤tpage=62#1225 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174¤tpage=62#1239 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174¤tpage=63#1245 | ||
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gonzaw
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I.e on N1 the scum or whatever power that did that to me most likely did it accidentally. If I claim at night when they have time to change their actions they can do it to me on purpose. I ran the risk of them figuring things out and doing it on purpose even after I made that post. I dunno if it has happened more than once though, again considering maybe my power's obsolete or something. Although some things are different than on N1 so I assume it hasn't happened again. | ||
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14 pages my bad. Damn, how the hell did I write so much? Last time I checked it was 10. Well at least it's not 14 pages of walls of text like that Magic Mini Mafia. | ||
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I think I know who this town bus driver is and all that stuff. Meh, it's just a hunch, and maybe far-fetched. | ||
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gonzaw
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After that I'll claim. | ||
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gonzaw
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Specially that contradiction you made about how everybody was "oh lol Draz is CAUGHT SCUM!" when S&B claimed he wasn't medic saved/whatever, yet you were completely the opposite of that (in fact everybody was the complete opposite of that, I took it that all of us were trying to make sense of the situation and see if it was possible Draz was telling the truth taking into account bus drivers and medic saves and shit). | ||
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gonzaw
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On October 09 2012 10:01 austinmcc wrote: Apparently I'm an idiot. For two games in a row now, did something similar in Liquid City, calling someone out on something they didn't post. I thought Keirathi revoted earlier, and that I and others had typed out some stronger reactions. Was so focused on YOUR post right after he claimed, how you just asked snb a question. Turns out, NONE OF US reacted strongly at that point. HEY EVERYBODY. DISREGARD ME TALKING ABOUT GONZAW REACTING WRONG TO SNB'S CLAIM OF TAKING A HIT. Okay then, disregard that:....so what does that leave you with then? You still think I'm "the one that looks redder"? Anyways, can we assume Mat's hit was a RS one? Also I'd lol if Matt is RS, shot someone else who was busdriven with him and shot himself (and is a vet RS or something). Still waiting on ghost/Hiro to see if they were hit/RBed, mostly Hiro. | ||
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gonzaw
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I've seen the OP and the list is always the same :/ For instance I'm 13 at the bottom, Xfire/Nisani are above me and you are the alive guy right above me, and it's been that way all game long. If it's something that's gotta do with your role at least specify because I'm not getting this. | ||
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(I.e last night he took a hit, and was saved by the rat den which is at position (1)....it also makes sense that Mementos would JK Mattchew on N1 since Matt was super-pro-town-motherfucker on D1). | ||
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gonzaw
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Why wasn't there a swap on N1 nor last night? | ||
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See? Why the hell do people think me blue-fishing or speculating about the estup is bad/scummy? It's the only way to make any sense of this game. | ||
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gonzaw
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There it states that the player will be jailed for the first time only if his position changes to the one with the rat den It doesn't say anything whether the player will be jailed for the first time only if the rat den is put into his position by Mementos (and not by a bus driver/list swapper). That can determine if Matt was saved because he's in the rat den or not. Also meh, since Mementos died I didn't think the player list thing was important :/ Again...specially since nobody claimed anything happening to them at night or anything. | ||
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On October 09 2012 10:47 HiroPro wrote: Nothing happened to me. And I'm pretty sure at the beginning of this game I was like 5th on the signup list. Okay I'm claiming then If someone has an idea of what I'll claim and doesn't want me to for some reason object now while I'm writing the post. Because I think we seriously need some information because I'm confused as shit regarding this game's mechanics/night actions/etc Also, the only non-lynched guy that claimed was S&B and Kei....and for a themed game that seems kind of like too few claims/info given to town. | ||
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Still writing my post. | ||
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gonzaw
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********************************************************************* Okay, claiming time: I am Wheatly the town tracker. Yes, I have a "simple" ability (it's my only ability), which is why I wasn't thinking Draz's claim was "obviously simple therefore fake-claim" (I'll get to the other part of my role later). It also has flavour about rail tracks and shit but that's irrelevant. These are my night actions and results: On N1 I tracked Nisani: *drumroll for unbelievable bullshit* Results: Nisani visited Mementos On N2 I tracked ghost: Results: ghost visited HiroPro On N3 I tracked austin: Results: austin visited HiroPro About N1 Action: Yep, once Nisani claimed he only visited Mattchew and flipped town I kind of shut down and didn't know wtf to think anymore. I thought there was a "tracker framer" out there that framed Nisani on N1 (although I've never seen a role like that in my entire life), but now maybe there could be some shenanigans with bus drivers and list stuff that could explain it. The other option is that my role is obsolete in a way (like Paranoid Cops are obsolete roles for DTs). Don't ask me about the N1 check since I have no freaking idea of what happened. Also you can see it wouldn't have "saved Drazerk" if I had claimed it last day (it's just "something fucked up that happened to me", but it was completely unrelated to Draz) About N2 Action: Started to think ghost may be scum so tracked him. I actually went with Hiro first (had some strange feelings of him on N2 and wanted to either confirm or discard him as scum since he would have been harder to read than ghost and wouldn't have been a point of discussion in later days in my opinion), but after thinking a little bit more I decided to go with ghost again. I don't really remember what made me change my mind so don't ask. Yep, ghost visited Hiro, which is what made me think he wasn't RS at all (since Xfire died). That's the reason I never mentioned ghost as RS and even posted bullshit reasons why he wasn't RS. Now with bus driver Xfire and Hiro could have been bussed so maybe he could be RS, which is a huge deal (it doesn't confirm ghost as non-RS anymore). (Pre-Edit: Debunked by Mattchew claim) Also my role could be obsolete again so I started doubting it, specially after Hiro didn't claim anything at all (my "crumb" I mentioned was this post and the "context" I mentioned was me waiting for Hiro to respond to this post. When I made that post I intended it both ways ,for him to respond to my post and to see if he would claim something was done on him). When I got that check I started thinking that maybe ghost was BS and RBed or did something weird to Hiro...but meh Hiro didn't claim anything so I didn't really know what to think of it. I started thinking maybe ghost had some weird BS ability and used it on Hiro, which was possible which is why I went against him as BS Disclaimer: Ignore this post where I put ghost as RS since I forgot about my report on him when I made that post >_> <_< Considering ghost and Hiro's position swapped on N2...I think it's possible ghost did something that made him swap his position with Hiro. Don't know if that's a town or scum power though....? Anyway food for thought About N3 Action: As you know I was starting to get suspicious of austin as RS. I wanted to be sure by tracking him and see him visited a dead guy or someone that claimed shot. That didn't happen though, he visited Hiro. Dunno why though. At first it made me think he was either not RS or that my reports were obsolete...but after that thing about the list positions and bus driving thing austin mentioned I didn't really know (in my mind the possibility of austin shooting Hiro who was bussed with Mattchew was possible after that point...but I wanted to wait for Hiro to claim if maybe he was notified of something). Again, in case austin was BS and had a weird ability I wanted to see if Hiro would claim anything weird happening to him. Anyways, that's the info. Seems Matt claimed as well, will speculate with that but in another post (this one is the claim post). What about the "other" part of your role? Yeah...I doubt you guys will like this one. As you know...Wheatly is kind of a dick and goes homicidal at points. Well I'm kind of like that: I'm a traitor survivor. If both GlaDOS and Chell die, then I become a "traitor survivor". Traitor because I start supporting scum, survivor because I win with both scum and town. How does it work? Once I'm "traitor survivor" if Aperture Science members win and I'm alive, I win with them. Since I'm "survivor" I can still win with town if that situation arises. Basically, if that "TS" condition is met, then I become a "traitor" in the sense that if there are 2 RS and 2 townies other than me, I can choose to win with RS by lynching another townie for instance. Just like any traitor role. This is also why I mentioned Chell/Wheatly in the "other town role names"...since those were the ones in my role PM and I didn't know any others >_> Why am I telling you guys this?
In this post I mention something like that as well: On October 09 2012 08:44 gonzaw wrote: You know what, I think I may also be completely honest with you guys about my role. Mostly because if I'm not it won't really matter once I die. Although I know certain people will try to get me lynched because of it as well. Also yeah, I know some people may say "Kill him now so he doesn't side with scum later!". That may be true, but remember: It's better to lynch scum than lynch a traitor. Specially a traitor that hasn't been converted to traitor yet and is still town and as long as Chell is alive for the rest of the game will be 100% town...and even if Chell is dead he'll still be town and try to get town to win by killing all scum. I won't decide to win with RS, why? Because: To win with RS and go "anti-town", it needs to be LYLO with RS. If that happens...I already won, so why the hell would I choose to win with scum instead of legitimately scumhunting and become Town MVP or some shit? Also I can't do funny stuff since you guys can lynch me any time in LYLO as well (specially since people will start screaming "He fake-claimed traitor all along and is actually scum!", which of course the real RS will jump over and get me lynched, meaning I'd lose in an unloseable situation). Also: even though I said I wanted Chell to die before, right now I want Chell to live Why? Because before nobody knew about this alternate win-con from me. If Chell dies silently I can still play normally and nothing happens. Town doesn't know I'm a traitor, and scum doesn't know I'm a traitor. But now once Chell dies everybody will know I'm a traitor and that can fuck things up for town. Disclaimer: I assume Chell is a town role. I mean, it's possible it's RS or even BS and all...but I don't really believe that. Because of that I'd like Keirathi/S&B to save Chell whenever she claims or whoever you think she is.. Explaining my behaviour: Okay, I'm going to post quotes/posts from some of my posts that are relevant to my role. Why? Because people will ask me about them anyway and they will post them anyway and we will waste time with people posting more and more as they find them in my filter. Preventing that situation I'll explain all of them here. On October 08 2012 04:46 gonzaw wrote: I also wanted to try something else before claiming...but I don't know if I can pull it off now What I wanted to do was like accuse ghost of being scum and saying I was a DT and had a red check on them. Then I see what he claimed and who he claimed he targeted. If he claimed something like "I'm a watcher and I watched Keirathi" then I would know he's lying since he visited Hiropro and not Keirathi. I didn't try it now since it would obviously not work (also planned doing it on austin on N·...but again I think it would have been futile and maybe would have gotten me lynched for fake-claiming). On October 08 2012 03:43 gonzaw wrote: Okay, about the "fishing": You guys will understand later when I claim. There's a reason I'm "fishing": I want to know more about the setup (I've already said this and it's not a lie). Why? Well because my role is confusing the hell out of me and I don't know wtf is happening (both with my role and the lack of shit that happens each night). Remember I was VT in can't believe. I also didn't know you both were masons though :/ I mean...I didn't know who the remaining mason was even after you flipped >_> (I had an idea it was scib, but with him not claiming I wouldn't really know) I was "fishing" for night actions and shit early D2 (here) . When I got that report, I first of all wanted to know if maybe Nisani was a vig who shot Mementos. That is why I asked "Did a vig shoot someone?" I don't quite remember why I was so interested in the JK and RB. Maybe it was the fact that Mementos died and he was the jailer, and I saw Nisani visit Mementos. Maybe I just wanted to know more about the setup. Don't really remember, sorry. The 2nd thing that crossed my mind was that maybe Nisani was a DT/tracker/watcher and visited Mementos. Sadly this couldn't really be verifiable until he claimed, although that's what I was thinking when I made these posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174¤tpage=31#611 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174¤tpage=31#613 If Nisani claimed he was DT or something and visited Mementos last night...my read of him would have crumbled basically (since it'd take great luck for scum to get that fake-claim right). lol when I was reading the thread once I got back and saw he claimed he visited Mattchew I was like "Fuck yeah! He's confirmed scum baby I knew it!". lol I didn't expect what was going to happen once I saw the flip >_> It's also why maybe my case on S&B seemed "stronger" yet I decided to get Nisani lynched instead (here). I also thought my S&B case was a little bit stronger....but then the "maybe he's legitimately busy" thing haunted my mind and I couldn't ignore the "incriminating check" I had on Nisani...specially after he didn't claim he vig-shot Mementos. About the blue-fishing: Again I mostly wanted to see wtf happened on N1 (see if maybe a townie got other info about it). I also wanted ghost to claim here to check the same thing I wanted from Nisani (see if he'd claim visiting someone that wasn't Hiro). Considering the Nisani thing though (he was town, claimed he visited someone and I saw he visited someone else) I didn't push it far since I didn't really know if it was worth it. I.e if ghost claimed visiting someone else...would it mean he was scum or maybe whatever happened with Nisani happened again? I was mindfucked ever since N2 about the setup and I wanted to know as much as I could to make sense of what happened...and to know if I could trust my N2 (and N3 now) checks and see what they represented. I think I explained all the important parts of my play that had to do with my role/actions. Maybe I've missed one or two though. Yes, this may be a lot of info to digest (maybe not) so take your while reading it. I'm going to spend some time analyzing Matt's claim with the info I have and I presented here. Also isn't this the most awesome claim post or what?  ********************************************************************* | ||
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Okay, let's first analyze the premises: 1)I tracked austin last night, and he visited HiroPro 2)Mattchew bussed Keirathi and HiroPro last night 3) (This was confirmed to me by Greymist a little while ago) If I track Player X who visits Player Y, and a busdriver drives Player Y with Player Z, then my tracking result will be "Player X visited Player Z" Conclusion: Austin visited Keirathi last night, Matt bussed Kei with HiroPro, so austin ended up visiting HiroPro last night. Hiro didn't claim anything weird happening to him though...so it couldn't have been a "harmful visit". Meh, maybe austin is town (i.e he didn't visit Matt nor anybody that was bussed with Matt or something like that). Although I wonder why he'd visit Kei in the first place. Maybe he's another medic or something. Like I said before...I don't really know if him claiming that would benefit us or not (if he is indeed a super-powerful town role that will get outed), but I dunno, you guys decide. (also this is easily verifiable by austin claiming who he visited) Also this is assuming Matt is telling the truth... ..that's a completely different matter. Hell, even if he's telling the truth I don't know if it exonerates him from his play this game. It's possible a bus driver is either BS or RS as well (maybe not RS knowing what we know of Matt). If he's Chell (likely)...then that's another story. Although I don't really want him to claim Chell and let scum WIFOM about it. | ||
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I know this may mind-fuck some of you or enrage others or just reassert my scumminess to others. Considering all this...I'm kind of blank right now, I don't really know who to lynch anymore (if austin is townie who didn't shoot Mattchew and Mattchew is town bus driver). I guess we can lynch ghost? Again I dunno since if I believe my report he isn't RS. I think I'll wait to see if some other info arises that may incriminate someone. Somebody is bound to have some information, it's freaking D4. | ||
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