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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 02 2012 17:42 GMT
#701
On October 03 2012 02:35 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 02:33 austinmcc wrote:
Oh...hey. Super relevant.

DrH's post on the other queue site:
A fairly normal game with excessive flavor. Semi-closed set-up. Role names will be disclosed, but role powers will not be. No in-thread activity requirements but voting is mandatory.

This game will consist of a town, mafia and a single third party player. The third party player winning will not end the game unless he meets a more difficult and specific condition. Certain roles have access to vague clues. There will never be clues in the day or night posts. If a player is mod-killed, they will not flip.
I don't think we're meant to know what all the roles mean/do.

Also confirms 1 third party with abnormal win condition.


link to this pls

http://tlmafiaqueue.herokuapp.com/games/6

Fe fi fo fum.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
October 02 2012 17:44 GMT
#702
hm. well, okay then. that helps a lot.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 02 2012 17:49 GMT
#703
On October 03 2012 02:39 annul wrote:
hey VE and austin

0-100% how sure are each of you that i am a red?

Currently, I'm finding you scummy for your interactions last night. I found you townie before that.

So...right now you're maybe somewhere around 70-80% for me. If node flips red, you jump way up and I don't think you can be town.


speaking of node, how do you feel about him?

You found him townie, but never updated that read. If you think he was speaking in future tense, do you think that defending a player by talking about what he might do in the future and what he did because mods ordered him to do is townie? Do you think that's green defending green?
Fe fi fo fum.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
October 02 2012 18:00 GMT
#704
"speaking of node, how do you feel about him?

You found him townie, but never updated that read. If you think he was speaking in future tense, do you think that defending a player by talking about what he might do in the future and what he did because mods ordered him to do is townie? Do you think that's green defending green?"

no. there was just nowhere near enough evidence to support a case against node. this does not mean "i think he is green" but "the evidence is insufficient to make a legit case for redness at this time"
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
October 02 2012 18:00 GMT
#705
of course, his pushing against someone i think is red is good evidence against his redness, given the state of the game
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 02 2012 18:01 GMT
#706
On October 02 2012 23:55 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 21:39 marvellosity wrote:
I'll explain it a little more factually for you, Kreb.

At the time I started the voting off, the austin wagon was already not getting off the ground. Before I laid my vote, the count was at Shady: 9, austin: 3. And in fact people were consolidating on to Shady; when I placed my vote, the previous 5 votes had gone on to Shady. For Node to be a 'distractionary' wagon, it would certainly be a distractionary wagon off of Shady.

Now tell me how this makes sense?


it looked an awful lot like shady was getting modkilled. easy way to take out two towns in one day....


This is just insidious claptrap. As an experienced player you should know better than this. Playing for modkills is really stupid, pretty much as evidenced by what happened in this game.

On October 03 2012 01:58 annul wrote:
and another thing

(prior to the last 5 minutes of the day), assume my arguments about "i didn't actually defend shady" are terrible (they're not) and you, as a town reading this, honestly believe i did defend shady...

SHADY WAS A GREEN! holy fuck, imagine that: i did my job as a town player in trying to stop a mislynch! this is a bad thing apparently to austinmcc


I can't even tell if this post is actually serious. You did your job stopping the Shady mislynch (in your eyes) by actively derailing the wagon that had come up to... stop the Shady lynch? Really?!

In the whole lead-up to the deadline you objected to things on 'procedural' grounds without actually giving good reasons based on actual play. Nor did you present a realistic candidate (no, Z-Bo half an hour or whatever before deadline does not count). What you did succeed in doing is deflecting the wagon back on to Shady, but to what end? Shady was too easy, Node was too easy, what would have been 'acceptable' to you at that late hour?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 02 2012 18:15 GMT
#707
Adding on to what marv said, defending a towny flip isn't town-leaning or scum-leaning in my mind. I defend towny flips all the time when I'm scum. VE knows this from my fervent defense of his doctor claim d1 in some mafia a while back.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
October 02 2012 18:29 GMT
#708
On October 02 2012 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Here. Let me tell you why you're fucking awful. You're fucking awful because you've already managed to make a 4-man connection before anyone involved (node, austin, kush). Who do you think is better at understanding meta, newbie thrawn (no offence intended at all, just fact) or me?

Who *have* we had flipped? We've had Shady flipped. Confirmed town. What drugs are you on when you're looking at those on the Node wagon as the most culpable, instead of the people who derailed it back to Shady?

Who I think has better understanding of meta is irrelevant unless I know you're both town. But for the question, I dont have an opinion whether you or him are better right now. Havent played with you two enough.

About the second part, because gave me my biggest "wtf is this"-feeling when reading through what happened. The Node wagon seems very unnatural and compared to other voting trends this game Nodes stand out big time. There will also be time to look at the Shady lynch, which I will try to do now among other things.

Also:
+ Show Spoiler +
Dont make me "pull an annul" on you please. If you cant keep level-header enough to make a response without calling me fucking awful, please take a few minutes to cool off before typing an answer.

Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
October 02 2012 18:32 GMT
#709
On October 02 2012 21:24 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 18:54 Kreb wrote:
On October 02 2012 17:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
Kush are you scum?

People have been calling him out for saying scummy sounding stuff, and some people have said that he's not playing at all like his scum meta. Well I don't think he's playing like his town meta. He's known for saying dumb stuff from time to time as either town/mafia but this game he just seems way too illogical, even taking his meta into account. In the last game I played with him where he was town he was extremely helpful and the flames were few and far between. His scum meta has been exposed to be full of faked anger, extreme failures of logic, and constant insults towards everyone in the game. The way he's playing this game strikes me as a slightly toned down version of his scum meta. He rolled scum twice in a row and everyone got to see his scum play, so he would have changed his meta somewhat if he were to roll scum again. But it still seems like he's putting up somewhat of an act, and in the games where he was town you could see right through to his obviously convoluted townie thought process. While reading through his posts in this game I get this huge "I don't give a shit" vibe about his feelings towards the lynch and he's said several things that suggest he's not trying very hard or caring about his vote, and that's not the town kush I know.

Town kush = sometimes says dumb stuff, but you can see right through to his thought process and he's very cooperative in general

Scum kush = faked anger, extreme stupidity at times, and likes to throw around insults very often

This game = looks more like his scum meta than his town meta. He's being too illogical/rude for me to be able to write it off as his "scummy town-meta"


Hmm, this kinda rivals marv's earlier claim about Kush.

And considering:
-I think marv acted scummy in the Node case
-marv kinda defended Kush when early votes started to land on him
-Kush was also an early joiner of the Node wagon
-You think Kush is playing a toned down scum game
Kush could definitely earn a spot in my scummy-looking group of austin/VE/Marv.

Why did you only include marv in those that defended kush. I remember several people doing. Myself included somewhat.

There might have been more defending him, but only marv focused heavily on putting kush as his town meta in his defense (and not defended for other reasons), no? I there were more people doing it, I must've missed it and then I apologize for doing so.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 02 2012 18:36 GMT
#710
I was perfectly level-headed. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Or in mafia lingo, don't make massive connection plays without any flips. Because it's like... fucking awful.

My perspective on the Node wagon and how it went down: there were clearly a good number of people who weren't satisfied with the main options - kj, austin, Shady. Whereas Node was both lurking/not giving a crap about town, *and* looked scummy while doing so with his odd defence of Shady.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
October 02 2012 18:41 GMT
#711
On October 02 2012 21:39 marvellosity wrote:
I'll explain it a little more factually for you, Kreb.

At the time I started the voting off, the austin wagon was already not getting off the ground. Before I laid my vote, the count was at Shady: 9, austin: 3. And in fact people were consolidating on to Shady; when I placed my vote, the previous 5 votes had gone on to Shady. For Node to be a 'distractionary' wagon, it would certainly be a distractionary wagon off of Shady.

Now tell me how this makes sense?

That makes a bit more sense, yea. But that doesnt change the fact that the wagon seemed very forced and unnatural. Its true though there might be other purposes behind it than as an austin-distraction.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
October 02 2012 18:46 GMT
#712
Anull who would you have wanted to lynch instead? Z boson really?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 02 2012 18:49 GMT
#713
On October 03 2012 03:15 Risen wrote:
Adding on to what marv said, defending a towny flip isn't town-leaning or scum-leaning in my mind. I defend towny flips all the time when I'm scum. VE knows this from my fervent defense of his doctor claim d1 in some mafia a while back.

I agree with this, but how do you read Node's defense?

Sure, either alignment could defend someone, but at the margins you can kind of tell when a town player is defending a townread versus a scum player defending someone they know is town.
Fe fi fo fum.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 02 2012 19:10 GMT
#714
On October 03 2012 03:49 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 03:15 Risen wrote:
Adding on to what marv said, defending a towny flip isn't town-leaning or scum-leaning in my mind. I defend towny flips all the time when I'm scum. VE knows this from my fervent defense of his doctor claim d1 in some mafia a while back.

I agree with this, but how do you read Node's defense?

Sure, either alignment could defend someone, but at the margins you can kind of tell when a town player is defending a townread versus a scum player defending someone they know is town.


It's true it's a risk to take as a scum player, but it requires people to actively go back and look much later in the game. Kill the people willing to put in that kind of effort and boom, easy town cred. I was posting it as a warning for people not to use it as alignment telling.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
October 02 2012 19:13 GMT
#715
On October 03 2012 03:46 kushm4sta wrote:
Anull who would you have wanted to lynch instead? Z boson really?



you
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 02 2012 19:13 GMT
#716
On October 03 2012 04:10 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 03:49 austinmcc wrote:
On October 03 2012 03:15 Risen wrote:
Adding on to what marv said, defending a towny flip isn't town-leaning or scum-leaning in my mind. I defend towny flips all the time when I'm scum. VE knows this from my fervent defense of his doctor claim d1 in some mafia a while back.

I agree with this, but how do you read Node's defense?

Sure, either alignment could defend someone, but at the margins you can kind of tell when a town player is defending a townread versus a scum player defending someone they know is town.


It's true it's a risk to take as a scum player, but it requires people to actively go back and look much later in the game. Kill the people willing to put in that kind of effort and boom, easy town cred. I was posting it as a warning for people not to use it as alignment telling.

Do you read Node's post as a townie defense or a scummy defense of Shady?
Fe fi fo fum.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 02 2012 19:17 GMT
#717
On October 03 2012 04:13 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 03:46 kushm4sta wrote:
Anull who would you have wanted to lynch instead? Z boson really?



you


And that explains why you vote switched me and then Shady Sands?
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
October 02 2012 19:22 GMT
#718
On October 03 2012 03:36 marvellosity wrote:
I was perfectly level-headed. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Or in mafia lingo, don't make massive connection plays without any flips. Because it's like... fucking awful.

My perspective on the Node wagon and how it went down: there were clearly a good number of people who weren't satisfied with the main options - kj, austin, Shady. Whereas Node was both lurking/not giving a crap about town, *and* looked scummy while doing so with his odd defence of Shady.

And the only connection case I was working with was possibly you/kush. The other case about the Node wagon is a case in itself (the wagon was unnatural and forced -> the are likely scum among the people who pushed it, which were austin/VE/you). It does, however, get a lot stronger with flips. Should we lynch austin and he flips red, you and VE look really really bad. And I'll almost 100% be tunneling you two should that happen. For now Im more open to other options though. But it most certainly shouldnt be ignored just because we dont have a flip on any of you three yet.

+ Show Spoiler +
If you were level-headed, then please post like you are too. And spare me of the tough-guy "yo, if you cant take some personal insults dont come into our hood". And you didnt say my connection case was fucking awful, you said I was.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
October 02 2012 19:24 GMT
#719
On October 03 2012 04:17 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 04:13 annul wrote:
On October 03 2012 03:46 kushm4sta wrote:
Anull who would you have wanted to lynch instead? Z boson really?



you


And that explains why you vote switched me and then Shady Sands?


for the 800th time explaining this, i got off of you because the wagon wasn't rolling on you and i was trying to save what i thought was a mislynch based on the evidence at the time
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 02 2012 19:28 GMT
#720
Kreb , are you saying that because marv and whoever else pushed a node lynch away from the shady lynch that means you're suspicious of them? Shady flipped green so I don't see how that argument makes sense. You say the node lynch was unnatural and possibly pushed by scum which if true would mean that node is green and shady is red.... but shady is green so I'm not understanding your logic.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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