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austinmcc
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annul
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austinmcc
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On October 03 2012 02:39 annul wrote: hey VE and austin 0-100% how sure are each of you that i am a red? Currently, I'm finding you scummy for your interactions last night. I found you townie before that. So...right now you're maybe somewhere around 70-80% for me. If node flips red, you jump way up and I don't think you can be town. speaking of node, how do you feel about him? You found him townie, but never updated that read. If you think he was speaking in future tense, do you think that defending a player by talking about what he might do in the future and what he did because mods ordered him to do is townie? Do you think that's green defending green? | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
You found him townie, but never updated that read. If you think he was speaking in future tense, do you think that defending a player by talking about what he might do in the future and what he did because mods ordered him to do is townie? Do you think that's green defending green?" no. there was just nowhere near enough evidence to support a case against node. this does not mean "i think he is green" but "the evidence is insufficient to make a legit case for redness at this time" | ||
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annul
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 02 2012 23:55 annul wrote: it looked an awful lot like shady was getting modkilled. easy way to take out two towns in one day.... This is just insidious claptrap. As an experienced player you should know better than this. Playing for modkills is really stupid, pretty much as evidenced by what happened in this game. On October 03 2012 01:58 annul wrote: and another thing (prior to the last 5 minutes of the day), assume my arguments about "i didn't actually defend shady" are terrible (they're not) and you, as a town reading this, honestly believe i did defend shady... SHADY WAS A GREEN! holy fuck, imagine that: i did my job as a town player in trying to stop a mislynch! this is a bad thing apparently to austinmcc I can't even tell if this post is actually serious. You did your job stopping the Shady mislynch (in your eyes) by actively derailing the wagon that had come up to... stop the Shady lynch? Really?! In the whole lead-up to the deadline you objected to things on 'procedural' grounds without actually giving good reasons based on actual play. Nor did you present a realistic candidate (no, Z-Bo half an hour or whatever before deadline does not count). What you did succeed in doing is deflecting the wagon back on to Shady, but to what end? Shady was too easy, Node was too easy, what would have been 'acceptable' to you at that late hour? | ||
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Risen
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Kreb
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On October 02 2012 20:01 marvellosity wrote: Here. Let me tell you why you're fucking awful. You're fucking awful because you've already managed to make a 4-man connection before anyone involved (node, austin, kush). Who do you think is better at understanding meta, newbie thrawn (no offence intended at all, just fact) or me? Who *have* we had flipped? We've had Shady flipped. Confirmed town. What drugs are you on when you're looking at those on the Node wagon as the most culpable, instead of the people who derailed it back to Shady? Who I think has better understanding of meta is irrelevant unless I know you're both town. But for the question, I dont have an opinion whether you or him are better right now. Havent played with you two enough. About the second part, because gave me my biggest "wtf is this"-feeling when reading through what happened. The Node wagon seems very unnatural and compared to other voting trends this game Nodes stand out big time. There will also be time to look at the Shady lynch, which I will try to do now among other things. Also: + Show Spoiler + Dont make me "pull an annul" on you please. If you cant keep level-header enough to make a response without calling me fucking awful, please take a few minutes to cool off before typing an answer. | ||
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Kreb
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On October 02 2012 21:24 iamperfection wrote: Why did you only include marv in those that defended kush. I remember several people doing. Myself included somewhat. There might have been more defending him, but only marv focused heavily on putting kush as his town meta in his defense (and not defended for other reasons), no? I there were more people doing it, I must've missed it and then I apologize for doing so. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
My perspective on the Node wagon and how it went down: there were clearly a good number of people who weren't satisfied with the main options - kj, austin, Shady. Whereas Node was both lurking/not giving a crap about town, *and* looked scummy while doing so with his odd defence of Shady. | ||
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Kreb
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On October 02 2012 21:39 marvellosity wrote: I'll explain it a little more factually for you, Kreb. At the time I started the voting off, the austin wagon was already not getting off the ground. Before I laid my vote, the count was at Shady: 9, austin: 3. And in fact people were consolidating on to Shady; when I placed my vote, the previous 5 votes had gone on to Shady. For Node to be a 'distractionary' wagon, it would certainly be a distractionary wagon off of Shady. Now tell me how this makes sense? That makes a bit more sense, yea. But that doesnt change the fact that the wagon seemed very forced and unnatural. Its true though there might be other purposes behind it than as an austin-distraction. | ||
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kushm4sta
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austinmcc
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On October 03 2012 03:15 Risen wrote: Adding on to what marv said, defending a towny flip isn't town-leaning or scum-leaning in my mind. I defend towny flips all the time when I'm scum. VE knows this from my fervent defense of his doctor claim d1 in some mafia a while back. I agree with this, but how do you read Node's defense? Sure, either alignment could defend someone, but at the margins you can kind of tell when a town player is defending a townread versus a scum player defending someone they know is town. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On October 03 2012 03:49 austinmcc wrote: I agree with this, but how do you read Node's defense? Sure, either alignment could defend someone, but at the margins you can kind of tell when a town player is defending a townread versus a scum player defending someone they know is town. It's true it's a risk to take as a scum player, but it requires people to actively go back and look much later in the game. Kill the people willing to put in that kind of effort and boom, easy town cred. I was posting it as a warning for people not to use it as alignment telling. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On October 03 2012 03:46 kushm4sta wrote: Anull who would you have wanted to lynch instead? Z boson really? you | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 03 2012 04:10 Risen wrote: It's true it's a risk to take as a scum player, but it requires people to actively go back and look much later in the game. Kill the people willing to put in that kind of effort and boom, easy town cred. I was posting it as a warning for people not to use it as alignment telling. Do you read Node's post as a townie defense or a scummy defense of Shady? | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
And that explains why you vote switched me and then Shady Sands? | ||
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Kreb
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On October 03 2012 03:36 marvellosity wrote: I was perfectly level-headed. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Or in mafia lingo, don't make massive connection plays without any flips. Because it's like... fucking awful. My perspective on the Node wagon and how it went down: there were clearly a good number of people who weren't satisfied with the main options - kj, austin, Shady. Whereas Node was both lurking/not giving a crap about town, *and* looked scummy while doing so with his odd defence of Shady. And the only connection case I was working with was possibly you/kush. The other case about the Node wagon is a case in itself (the wagon was unnatural and forced -> the are likely scum among the people who pushed it, which were austin/VE/you). It does, however, get a lot stronger with flips. Should we lynch austin and he flips red, you and VE look really really bad. And I'll almost 100% be tunneling you two should that happen. For now Im more open to other options though. But it most certainly shouldnt be ignored just because we dont have a flip on any of you three yet. + Show Spoiler + If you were level-headed, then please post like you are too. And spare me of the tough-guy "yo, if you cant take some personal insults dont come into our hood". And you didnt say my connection case was fucking awful, you said I was. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On October 03 2012 04:17 Z-BosoN wrote: And that explains why you vote switched me and then Shady Sands? for the 800th time explaining this, i got off of you because the wagon wasn't rolling on you and i was trying to save what i thought was a mislynch based on the evidence at the time | ||
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thrawn2112
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