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marvellosity
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iamperfection
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On October 02 2012 12:12 Node wrote: This is beyond ridiculous. I misinterpreted austin's post as being more about finding Shady town-ish at all. Shady's pushing had been weak, but it was certainly a shift from his earlier play -- that's what I was getting at. He was backing up his claims by contributing instead of simply running away. I just don't think that's something mafia would be willing to do. At the time I was also under the assumption that he was, you know, still playing. Which is why the second post said what it did -- I was backing off of those claims specifically because Shady was no longer contributing. And what scares me the most about this switch is how little justification everyone that's not austin is giving. Kush's is literally the definition of an OMGUS, VE just "likes a Node lynch" (yet is pestering annul for his thoughts on me)... It happens. I've done it. Look at Death Note Mini, the last game I played in. On a few days players placed votes on me, then switched off as it got closer to the deadline and I hadn't posted -- and used the exact justification that they expected me to be modkilled. Of course, it never happened. Anyways, switching my vote to Shady because apparently that might be what it takes to me from getting lynched. i think it wasn't a distraction at all and i think node has a good chane of flipping scum. The sob just complained when the wagon came upon him. If he thought he was in true danger why not dump reads. All he really said in that post was this is bs and not fair. If he is town he should get in here and tell us what he thinks. | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 02 2012 14:27 annul wrote: Just for fun, no way.then i move for a directed verdict. and it would be granted. This is criminal, no way you've shown no scintilla of evidence to prove guilt. | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 02 2012 18:35 Kreb wrote: Lets look at the case on Node itself: The case is built by the fact that, according to austin, Node calls Shady town for weak reasons. Yet he doesnt say anywhere in his post he calls him towny, he calls Shady "not scummy", not "towny". Also the case is largely built on the fact that Shady would be scum (I agree Node would look suspicious in that case, but now we know better at least). But if the case is built on that we should be pushing Shady, get his flip and then push Node afterwards when we know Shadys alignment. is incorrect. The case is not "Shady is scum and Node called him town, trying to cover for his scumbuddy." Again, it's this: On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote: I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets. These feel like incredibly bad reasons for a townread. I don't see how NoT coNtINUinG TYpINg LIKe tHIs and throwing a bunch of obscenities around is townie. I don't see Shady pushing other targets. The case is that Node is throwing out a townread for FOUL reasons. Yes, semantically, Node uses the term "not scummy" and "If he were scum he would do x I don't think he would do what he's doing." But if Shady is not scum, and is not acting as scumShady would act, then there's no great leap of logic involved here in saying Node has a townread on Shady. But, again, the reasoning behind the read is: (1) silly, not scummy trolling; (2) stopped trolling; and (3) pushing targets. (3) is either a lie, or if you're annul, it's speculation about the future. (2) is ridiculous because he received a message from mods telling him to stop. (1) has nothing behind it at all. Shady flipping town changes none of that. You know who has bad townreads on townies? Scum. scumNode knows Shady's alignment, and the post in which he calls Shady town (or "not scum" if you prefer) is ... either one step up or one step down from just saying "Shady town" with NO reasoning. | ||
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annul
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On October 02 2012 21:39 marvellosity wrote: I'll explain it a little more factually for you, Kreb. At the time I started the voting off, the austin wagon was already not getting off the ground. Before I laid my vote, the count was at Shady: 9, austin: 3. And in fact people were consolidating on to Shady; when I placed my vote, the previous 5 votes had gone on to Shady. For Node to be a 'distractionary' wagon, it would certainly be a distractionary wagon off of Shady. Now tell me how this makes sense? it looked an awful lot like shady was getting modkilled. easy way to take out two towns in one day.... | ||
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austinmcc
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Everyone who is just going "node wagon looked bad" or "node wagon node wagon" is a wanker, to paraphrase...golden? Therefore, I present to you: YE OLDE LIST O' WANKERS slOosh - On October 02 2012 12:11 slOosh wrote: Still reading for context but I'm currently of annul's viewpoint that the switch seems ... unnatural for a lack of better term. The lynch candidate selection is basically a lurker list (none of the cases really stuck out as built on strong analysis), and with an inactive town as this the lynch sway has me concerned. When you have a selection of alright lynch targets and a sudden switches happens from one to another, it raises flags. Will read up on other candidates and give thoughts on them. On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote: Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady. With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched. The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former. ##Vote: Shady Sands Post 1 - The switch is "unnatural." The switch raises flags. slOosh will "read up on the other candidates." This indicates that slOosh actually has read Node, "the other candidates" implies he's read a candidate at this point. Yet he says NOTHING substantive about Node, talks ONLY about the votes. Post 2 - Substantive reasons on Shady as to why he's leaning that way. Nature of the Node lynch is "strange." Still nothing substantive about Node, to compare his substantive thoughts on Shady to. On October 02 2012 12:49 slOosh wrote: After I call him out on this, he gives substantive thoughts on Node, calls him scummy. Notes that I tossed out a bunch of names, despite having been absent from the thread and having to go read the substantive cases on people he knows what my posts looked like. Also, I tossed out two names I wanted to lynch - Node and mkfuba. While there were other people I wrote about, those were the only two I was pushing as actually scummy. I don't like that slOosh has just returned to thread, seems to kind-of know what's been posted, but not quite.Node is scummy. I think what you found about his post was valid. However we can only lynch 1 at a time and I find Shady a better target for the reasons I stated. The strangeness of Node's lynch was that there was a disconnect between the push and the votes - you tossed out a bunch of names and his was just picked up. It's enough to sway me to Shady. Coagulation - On October 02 2012 12:17 Coagulation wrote: Wagon looks scummy. No substantive thoughts on Node. Everyone keep your votes on shady sands. Node bandwagon looked scummy as fuck and only makes shady look even scummier. Kreb is NOT a wanker. Kreb is, as far as I read it, the only person who actually looked at the post on Node, read Node's posts, and formulated an actual opinion about what Node was saying, what the case was saying, and why he disliked it (annul doesn't count, next post will cover that). I don't love that Kreb only does this the next day, but he wasn't posting and said he'd gone to sleep. Believable. I don't love that Kreb is kind of misrepresenting the cases he's looking at. But still, dude actually looked at stuff. Compared to YE OLDE WANKERS that's a marked improvement. | ||
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slOosh
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I had less than two hours to reread everything and determine where my vote should go. I wasn't going to waste it talking about people who probably won't get lynched. It's evident that this town suffered a day 1 of inactivity and scum were probably happy to go along with that. The one that stuck out most to me was Mattchew: The clearest thing in his filter is that he is happy to take no stances at all, and is not interested in getting a solid lynch. On September 30 2012 15:02 Mattchew wrote: i re-read shady's "trolling" and it seems extremely forced and thought out. this is either proof to his point of him trying to get warned or him being too nervous to troll casually because he is scum. Which amounts to "Shady could be town because of this, and scum because of this". The next time he posts follow up is On October 02 2012 01:07 Mattchew wrote: Shady said before the game, before he knew his alignment, that he was going to troll. I have yet to see a shady case about his posting after his "trollfest" (if there is I missed it). If we lynch someone for doing something so non-alignment telling we are bad and we should feel bad. If you are voting Shady I want your reasons for the vote beyond "he was trolling and thats anti-town herp derp" STOP VOTING SHADY SANDS WITH SHIT REASONING I was thinking that we should lynch Coag because he hasn't put in any effort after getting mad at Caller about his game. He got mad at Caller for not allowing him to play in a game and then joins this one and parks a vote on Shady with shitty ass reasoning. The thing holding me back on this is that this might actually be how Coag plays, and I dont think I have played with him in a real game that I remember. Austinmc hasn't contributed jack shit, which is very different from his usual productive town self Kingjames was extremely awkwardly wishy-washy with his attempt to call out keirathi. He talks about focusing on scum hunting but has spent almost all his time trying to defend and focusing on himself. His first post also reeks of scum trying to look tryhard townie. I want to a lot more from BC, his lack of contributions make me very nervous about him. ##vote kingjames01 This post shows how detached he is from thread. The context surrounding it is discussion centered around kushm4sta and kingjames01. There is no avalanche of dumb sheep votes on Shady, people are looking into other lynch candidates. There is no purpose other than opposing the Shady lynch without actually calling him town. The rest of his post he calls Coag scummy and then takes it back, calls austinmcc scummy without actually saying it, parroting other people about kingjames and calling out BC. On October 02 2012 08:21 Mattchew wrote: BC mind telling me why you think i am scum? also, I could get down with an austin lynch. he doesn't feel like he is hunting scum as much as he is hunting for an easy out to vote. I am willing to ##unvote for the meantime. I am caught up on the thread but don't actually understand some of the arguments. He says he is caught up on the thread, but doesn't understand the arguments. However, he makes absolutely no effort to understand. He doesn't ask questions, he doesn't apply pressure, nothing. He doesn't care about the lynch. The biggest thing is that he doesn't actually unvote but leaves his vote on kingjames the whole time On October 02 2012 13:14 BlackMamba24 wrote: Deadline Reached, Votes for Day 1 Done. Final Vote Count: kingjames01 (2): keirathi, It is clear cut that Mattchew is making sure that he isn't labeled a lurker with "contributions" when in reality he doesn't care about the lynch at all. He is Scum. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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@Kreb: I disagree with your suspicions on austin, looking at the way he contributed (as soon as aperture 2 deadline was over) he gives me the usual townie austin vibe. While it is true that the entire Node wagon looked weird as it got that many votes over nothing ( and then unvotes again), I do not think that it must have been scum-directed. Approaching deadline we were much more split among node/shady as the austinwagon never took off beyond the majority-treshold (IIRC). | ||
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ShiaoPi
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@Kreb: Did austin's recent posts change your read? What do you make of his apprehension of your post? @Sloosh: I'll be giving matt another look. | ||
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So Matt, who would you lynch now? Why? | ||
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austinmcc
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And finally, drumroll, please HIS LORDSHIP, KING OF THE WANKERS; GRAND POOBAH OF WANKERS LODGE No. 237; WANKER-O NUMERO UNO; THE HIGH PRIEST OF THE REFORMED CHURCH OF THE BLESSED WANK; HE-WHO-SHALL-NOT-BE-WANKED annul - Act 1, in which our wanker beginneth his wank On October 02 2012 11:10 annul wrote: this node push seems VERY forced, wtf On October 02 2012 11:17 annul wrote: its happening extremely fast extremely easily and with no resistance. On October 02 2012 11:31 annul wrote: that is not to say everyone on the wagon is red, but in this situation with how ez it is rolling this quickly.... lotsa reds probably in the initial push. On October 02 2012 11:40 annul wrote: and i am NOT arguing for node's color one way or the other on any type of substantive case. that is, i am not basing my claims on what he himself has said or done. i am basing it based on circumstances revolving how everyone else is voting for him. it just does not make sense. a bus in this situation is a terrible play for the red team i think... and so based on the rush of votes, he is probably not red. as for a substantive case against node, ill read that filter closely after marv's Here's a big ol' list of quotes in which annul worries about the wagon, worries about the wagon, there's scum on the wagon. At the end, he specifically notes that he isn't arguing node's color, isn't arguing substance, and is going to read node's filter. (1) Rush of votes for scum doesn't mean that player isn't scummy, ESPECIALLY right before deadline. All of a sudden the whole day got turned upside-down, scum is in a panic, any push for a scum lynch is going to pick up some scum votes before they sort things out. (2) annul has been posting about the node push now for 30 minutes. 11:10-11:40. At 11:40, he notes that he'll read node's filter after marv's. Node's filter is like...2 or 3 posts, and annul hasn't read it in the 30 minutes he's been casting doubt on this lynch. On October 02 2012 11:56 annul wrote: and read node's filter this was very easy. two posts. first post defends shady and calls out kush; second post retreats from this defense slightly and continues to argue against kush. considering node's only two posts match what i have been arguing all along............. i like this guy. the big question now is what it is about these two posts that caused 8 people to drop their pants and go all in on this guy. like, i read the posts... what is there exactly that people are seeing? this doesnt make sense. 8 votes on him so i have to assume with a normal mafia count that there are at least some towns on him.... why? end scene Act 2, in which the wank-fiend beginneth to rear his head On October 02 2012 11:56 annul wrote: and read node's filter this was very easy. two posts. first post defends shady and calls out kush; second post retreats from this defense slightly and continues to argue against kush. considering node's only two posts match what i have been arguing all along............. i like this guy. the big question now is what it is about these two posts that caused 8 people to drop their pants and go all in on this guy. like, i read the posts... what is there exactly that people are seeing? this doesnt make sense. 8 votes on him so i have to assume with a normal mafia count that there are at least some towns on him.... why? When we last saw our heroic townies doing battle to lynch Node, annul came in with this. The first post defends shady. Node's two posts match what annul has been arguing. annul doesn't understand what's scummy about node's posts. iamperfection immediately picks up on annul's post - On October 02 2012 12:01 iamperfection wrote: when did shady push anything? How could a town player reading the thread think shady is town because he pushed something after his trolling. what did shady push? annul's response - On October 02 2012 12:03 annul wrote: ....nowhere did i mention shady pushing anything? node has two posts. annul has apparently read them. annul can't understand why townies are on node, which assumes that he's read my post on node and doesn't agree with it. But he 100% seems to have no idea HOW node defended shady. annul finds node townie for defending shady without reading HOW node did so? Urrbody knows what iamperfection is talking about: On October 02 2012 12:04 Sharrant wrote: @Annul I think the point Perfection was making is that Node mentioned both of those things. He's answering your question by asking you if you think it's possible for a townie to have done those things. On October 02 2012 12:05 kingjames01 wrote: I think he means Node. except for annul On October 02 2012 12:07 annul wrote: ..... no he didn't? if i am just 100% blind or something please quote where he said this, but i am re-reading his two posts a lot and i see nothing of this sort end scene Act 3, in which the wank-fiend hath been spotted by the loyal villagers. out! out! foul wank-fiend On October 02 2012 12:10 annul wrote: Sorry guys, I didn't see where node said Shady was pushing targets. Even though everyone else did. I didn't see it because I interpreted it as another verb tense.okay, i see now where you get that from. i interpreted this part to be future-predictive, not past-indicative. like he is saying "i dont expect this to happen." note the difference in verb tense between the two clauses: "i don't think he would've dropped" (past tense) vs "i don't think he would be willing to reappear" (future tense) (1) It's still plainly there, no matter what tense you think the verb is (2) Like I point out, On October 02 2012 12:11 austinmcc wrote: arguing about the verb tense is ridiculous, because if node was being "future-predictive," then...what!? Seriously, then what. Who actually argues "well x might do this in the future, therefore he's town." That's a tremendously awfulbad thing to call someone not scummy for, that they might do townie stuff in the future. That makes node look EVEN WORSE to me, because his townread on shady is based on predictions about the future.It makes no sense for node to have defended shady based on what he might do in the future. if you interpret it that way, it's not a defense, it's speculation about future actions that shady might take annul responds - On October 02 2012 12:14 annul wrote: THAT specific sentence fragment is speculative. the rest of it is obviously a defense So one of three pieces of Node's "defense," which annul liked and found a defense, is "speculative." The rest is "obviously" a "defense." What happens when you remove this bit that's speculative and take the obvious defense? On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote: Ah much better. Now Node is defending shady because...his trolling was silly and not scummy, and if he were scum, he wouldn't have stopped trolling so quickly...you know, it's not like the mods messaged him and told him to knock it off. Surely that wasn't why he stopped, surely he would have kept going if he were scum.I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly annul's response - On October 02 2012 12:26 annul wrote: i never said it was a good defense. but you are not seriously going to argue that it is not "A" defense, right? David Attenborough voice, "Here, we see town applying logic to the wank-fiend. This kills the wank-fiend." annul's initial substantive argument for Node's townieness was that he (1) defended Shady and attacked kush; (2) which was what annul had been doing; and (3) annul didn't see the scumminess. Since then, annul has had some problems reading Node's post and seeing the "pushing targets" language. Then he found the pushing targets language to be speculative about the future, i.e., not a defense of Shady's actions. Then he considers the leftover bit a defense. Then it's pointed out that half of the leftovers is that Shady did what mods ordered him to do. annul is left with "i never said it was a good defense." ...this is not the sort of bad defense that makes someone appear townie. This is the sort of bad defense that makes it look like Node knew Shady's alignment and wanted to defend him, because 2/3 of his reasoning was not legitimate grounds for a town read, which annul seems to acknowledge. If I had been defending Shady, like annul was, I would not be happy that Node also posted this defense, a bad defense, of Shady. That doesn't give me a town feeling about someone when they have a defense like Node did, that makes me worry about my own read. annul also still hasn't said he's changed his mind about the scumminess of the defense...despite letting it be picked apart and finally clinging to "I never said it was a good defense." How is a bad defense, based on bad reasoning, out of nowhere, a townie thing? end scene Act 4, hideth thine children, hideth thine wife, forsooth, the wank-fiend is afoot and wanking about town The scene is Liquid City. ~30 minutes until lynch time. On October 02 2012 12:47 annul wrote: Translation, "it is ~30 minutes until lynch and I don't like Z-BosoN's filter and he has strange logic." Nothing specific (although Z-BosoN does look odd)i don't like what i see in boson's filter. he jumps around like a pinball and has very strange logic for doing so (if he has any at all). On October 02 2012 12:47 annul wrote: Translation, "it is 25 minutes until lynch and I'm 'going to see if this works.'" If what works? Who knows!?i don't like what i see in boson's filter. he jumps around like a pinball and has very strange logic for doing so (if he has any at all). On October 02 2012 12:51 annul wrote: i agree shady is not the kill. he will be modkilled/replaced and we can get a better read off his replacement anyway. however, node is not the kill either. look at boson's filter compared to node's. that's the kill i think. Translation, "I would like to start a wagon on a new candidate with 25 minutes until lynch, after just disparaging another wagon for picking up 8 votes in 12 minutes. However, I want to hit majority in 25, with a completely new candidate and no case, go read his filter yourself." On October 02 2012 12:55 annul wrote: we have 22 minutes. node got 8 votes in 12. anything can happen. Shady returns to thread. annul never pushed Z-BosoN for realsies, and then On October 02 2012 13:10 annul wrote: riiiiiight. ##unvote ##vote shady sands On October 02 2012 13:11 annul wrote: take picture of airport departure board please (that shows the current time etc) and post it. you do this and youll be believed and unvoted. So Shady wasn't scum a moment ago. Nor was node scum. We should vote Z-BosoN for no reason. But when Shady comes to thread, Shady is now scum. Shady is scum because...he said he was stepping off a plane. annul did not think Shady was scum, until he returned to thread, at which point he's scum unless he can take a picture and post it to thread in under 4 minutes. annul never mentions why, despite defending Shady eariler (i.e. finding him town), and finding him town minutes before Shady's return, the mere fact that Shady is back with an excuse for his absence now makes him mafia. annul defended Shady's PLAY. How does the return overpower the town read on Shady's play for annul? We don't know, because he never says. On October 02 2012 14:06 annul wrote: then when shady pulled his last minute return thing, it became a no-brainer to jump onto him. whereas slOosh and Coag just said "wagon bad" and gave no reads on Node, annul is the only person to actively defend the guy on substance. annul's defense is repeatedly attacked because it feels like he's got no idea what he's talking about, and he ends his defense by noting that Node didn't mount a good defense for Shady, nothing more. Not why a bad and suspicious defense is a townie thing. He never readdresses his post in which he fuond Node town to update with things like "Oh yeah, that defense was no good," "Oh yeah, I can see why defending someone based on what they might do in the future and for obeying mods might be scummy," or anything like that. slOosh and coag are mere wankers. That's not alignment-indicative at this point. But, fair townies, annul is the foul wank-fiend. He must be vanquished. I still would prefer to see Node dead first. We can work from there. But everyone needs to see the exact progression of annul's defense of node D1, from attacking the wagon, to substantively defending node, to having that defense poked full of holes, to trying to build a Z-BosoN wagon after attacking the node one. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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On October 02 2012 23:55 annul wrote: it looked an awful lot like shady was getting modkilled. easy way to take out two towns in one day.... WTF is this shit? Do you think marv is scum or not? Because this looks like fanning flames to me. Clearly you're trying to reinforce this idea that marv was leading a distraction-wagon by positing a motivation for doing so as scum while he's defending himself - however you don't give an opinions one way or the other. In fact, given the information we have right now (Shady's flip) I'd say it's more likely that Node is scum and your premise is based on the idea that Node is town. AGAIN. So. Annul. Tell me. What is Node's alignment? What do you THINK is marv's alignment? | ||
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how do you know he is a scum? do you have more info than i do? "(2) annul has been posting about the node push now for 30 minutes. 11:10-11:40. At 11:40, he notes that he'll read node's filter after marv's. Node's filter is like...2 or 3 posts, and annul hasn't read it in the 30 minutes he's been casting doubt on this lynch." yes. the lynch wagon itself was much more worrisome. i had potent procedural arguments against it and did not even have to check the substantive claims because the procedure looked so ridiculously suspicious your "act 2" quote for me misinterprets my position. it is fucking obvious if you actually read my game that the "what i've been doing all day" quote clearly refers to his kush pushing. the rest of your act 2 stuff on me refers to me not seeing node say shady is pushing targets. this is further addressed in act 3. i make a clear, cogent, and logical argument that node's final line is future tense when the rest of the claim is past tense, so you CANNOT say "node says shady is pushing targets" when he himself uses future tense there as a predictor. "(1) It's still plainly there, no matter what tense you think the verb is" no. it isn't. this entire argument falls right here because it is rooted in this premise that is absolutely false. if you know about "scintillas of evidence" then you are at minimum a law student, since i HIGHLY doubt anyone else knows about scalia's famous line. if you are in my profession, you are more than aware of the nuances between grammatical tenses. the fact you are completely obfuscating this is very telling....... "Ah much better. Now Node is defending shady because...his trolling was silly and not scummy, and if he were scum, he wouldn't have stopped trolling so quickly...you know, it's not like the mods messaged him and told him to knock it off. Surely that wasn't why he stopped, surely he would have kept going if he were scum." yes, this is a defense. how can anyone ever argue that it is not a defense? rofl "annul's initial substantive argument for Node's townieness was that he (1) defended Shady and attacked kush; (2) which was what annul had been doing; and (3) annul didn't see the scumminess." no. #1 is "attacked kush." that is what #2 refers to. the "defended shady" part is included for filter analysis purposes. " If I had been defending Shady, like annul was, I would not be happy that Node also posted this defense, a bad defense, of Shady." again, i was not defending shady. i challenged the lynch itself (again, on procedural grounds), which is NOT necessarily a defense of the player. "Translation, "I would like to start a wagon on a new candidate with 25 minutes until lynch, after just disparaging another wagon for picking up 8 votes in 12 minutes. However, I want to hit majority in 25, with a completely new candidate and no case, go read his filter yourself."" yes. the choices were shady or node. shady was obviously not acting red at all (until his last minute bullshit, anyway) and i was trying to do my JOB as a town player and prevent what i thought was a potential mislynch. i was looking at filters trying to find something more suspicious than node.... and i did. (had i thought the kush train would roll, i'd have stayed there, but since people were not going on it, i had to try to find an alternative). i also thought it would be interesting to have people on the record comparing their reasons for the FAST node push vs a boson push that went nowhere. very interesting in fact.... maybe the reds ran the node train? "So Shady wasn't scum a moment ago. Nor was node scum." yes "We should vote Z-BosoN for no reason." no. your constant misrepresentations of my position are very worrisome. "But when Shady comes to thread, Shady is now scum. " yes. "Shady is scum because...he said he was stepping off a plane." he is scum because he returns with 5 minutes until lynch, proving he was not actually lurking, and was around watching. instead of defending himself and putting himself on the record (as a town would do). he took the easy path and it is a VERY red move. he just happened to be a giant troll even to the end. -shrug- "annul did not think Shady was scum, until he returned to thread, at which point he's scum unless he can take a picture and post it to thread in under 4 minutes." yes. "annul never mentions why," it should be clear. he's obviously lurking the entire game. it is AN EXTREME COINCIDENCE that his plane lands juuuuuust at the deadline for voting.... it doesn't pass a smell test. if he could actually prove hes at the airport, then sure, i go back to defending him because this was the ONE act that looked the most red. if he can show he's honest about it, then yeah, he's not red to me anymore. "despite defending Shady eariler (i.e. finding him town), and finding him town minutes before Shady's return, the mere fact that Shady is back with an excuse for his absence now makes him mafia" yeeeeeeep. "annul defended Shady's PLAY." NO. HUGE misrepresentation. i NEVER did this. quote me one line where i defend his substantive play. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On October 03 2012 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote: WTF is this shit? Do you think marv is scum or not? Because this looks like fanning flames to me. Clearly you're trying to reinforce this idea that marv was leading a distraction-wagon by positing a motivation for doing so as scum while he's defending himself - however you don't give an opinions one way or the other. In fact, given the information we have right now (Shady's flip) I'd say it's more likely that Node is scum and your premise is based on the idea that Node is town. AGAIN. So. Annul. Tell me. What is Node's alignment? What do you THINK is marv's alignment? you have asked me for my thoughts on things like 6 times now, after going hardcore on me early day 1 and then as soon as night falls, pushing me hard again inexplicably. the move off shady onto node COULD be a red team trying to take out two birds with one stone. tell me, do you argue it did not look like shady was going to be modkilled? is this your actual argument? if not, how the fuck do you not agree with my conclusion? | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
he might be! but accusations aren't flying yet JUST because i say "if he WAS a red... that would make sense, because X." | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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