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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Yup you can discredit my suspicions of you all you want but it's only a matter of time before someone with towncred takes up the case. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On October 02 2012 12:55 annul wrote: we have 22 minutes. node got 8 votes in 12. anything can happen. Annul WTF is up with your kush scum read? You keep hinting that you think he is scum, but go out on the limb and commuinicate with him a couple times. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On October 02 2012 14:30 BroodKingEXE wrote: Annul WTF is up with your kush scum read? You keep hinting that you think he is scum, but go out on the limb and commuinicate with him a couple times. i think he is scum. there is no "hinting." you don't stop all communication with your suspects. that is not how this game works. more communication is ALWAYS better. you never know what info you get and where it comes from | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On October 02 2012 14:30 BroodKingEXE wrote: Annul WTF is up with your kush scum read? You keep hinting that you think he is scum, but go out on the limb and commuinicate with him a couple times. Why is it wrong to talk to your scum reads? Only scum know alignments. Always give people ways to prove their "towniness". Scum eventually have to be scum. | ||
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Kreb
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
People have been calling him out for saying scummy sounding stuff, and some people have said that he's not playing at all like his scum meta. Well I don't think he's playing like his town meta. He's known for saying dumb stuff from time to time as either town/mafia but this game he just seems way too illogical, even taking his meta into account. In the last game I played with him where he was town he was extremely helpful and the flames were few and far between. His scum meta has been exposed to be full of faked anger, extreme failures of logic, and constant insults towards everyone in the game. The way he's playing this game strikes me as a slightly toned down version of his scum meta. He rolled scum twice in a row and everyone got to see his scum play, so he would have changed his meta somewhat if he were to roll scum again. But it still seems like he's putting up somewhat of an act, and in the games where he was town you could see right through to his obviously convoluted townie thought process. While reading through his posts in this game I get this huge "I don't give a shit" vibe about his feelings towards the lynch and he's said several things that suggest he's not trying very hard or caring about his vote, and that's not the town kush I know. Town kush = sometimes says dumb stuff, but you can see right through to his thought process and he's very cooperative in general Scum kush = faked anger, extreme stupidity at times, and likes to throw around insults very often This game = looks more like his scum meta than his town meta. He's being too illogical/rude for me to be able to write it off as his "scummy town-meta" | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
Ok, onto business. What bothers me is that by the time I went to sleep there was a minor Austin wagon starting. It didnt take off at all. Then some time later Node comes in as a target and BOOM there plenty of votes going his way. Lets take a look at the posts which started these wagons: I guess this would be the first post about austin, and it sums up the case on him pretty well: + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 05:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: -_- if you read the OP you would clearly see above the roles that all in the game are included but details of them are not known. If their was a role with the name of spy everyone would know about it just not what it does. You jumping on him for something that is obviously not a role and wanting to lynch screams to me "i found a powerrole, lets lynch it" You have a horrible reason for jumping on KJ and it screams desperate for a reason to lynch him. Then theres the Node case: + Show Spoiler + Node Node is super duper scummy. Again, for emphasis On October 02 2012 09:00 austinmcc wrote: Node responds Another interesting mention of Shady: These feel like incredibly bad reasons for a townread. I don't see how NoT coNtINUinG TYpINg LIKe tHIs and throwing a bunch of obscenities around is townie. I don't see Shady pushing other targets. To be fair, this was before he disappeared from the thread again. I don't like at all how he left completely once he wasn't in the lead for the lynch. Now that he's back in front don't be surprised to see him spring out of nowhere. However, I'd still rather see kush dead, overall. My thoughts have NOTHING to do with when Shady disappeared from thread. I call Node out for finding Shady town for (1) stopping trolling quickly (nothing to do with his absence later) and (2) saying he started to push other targets (which he didn't, before his absence).Doesnt it strike anyone as a bit odd how Node could gain so much momentum and not austin? I'll admit that the case on austin isnt the most extensive, but I certainly think its better than the Node case. Especially considering austin is the one initiating the Node wagon. After that follows a bunch of people saying "yea I like this" and it gets going incredibly quickly. Lets look at the case on Node itself: The case is built by the fact that, according to austin, Node calls Shady town for weak reasons. Yet he doesnt say anywhere in his post he calls him towny, he calls Shady "not scummy", not "towny". Also the case is largely built on the fact that Shady would be scum (I agree Node would look suspicious in that case, but now we know better at least). But if the case is built on that we should be pushing Shady, get his flip and then push Node afterwards when we know Shadys alignment. So we have a pretty big wagon starting for what I would call an extremely weak case. The timing of the case is also a bit telling with it starting soon after the austin wagon. There would be clear scum motives to start a rivalling wagon to austin if austin is scum. Also, note how this also effectively killed the austin wagon. Only two persons I could find actually posted a reason to not jump on that wagon, VE: + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 10:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Well, I went over austin's filter and was coming back to tell you guys that I didn't want to lynch him based upon it, and then I saw two walls of his. We're not lynching austin today. I'm liking a Node lynch. I do NOT think we have the votes to make it happen. I still like a Shady lynch, but more and more it's feeling like an angry townie ragequitting the game more than a scummy manipulation tactic. However his explanation for his trolling was totally bullshit and I can get behind his lynch more than kj/austin. And Shiao: + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 08:57 ShiaoPi wrote: On austin I am kind of split, but I would prefer to not lynch him today because he is quite an asset to town (if he is town aligned of course). While his absence and stuff had been worrying I would suggest waiting for day 2 on him. Sharrant and KJ also expresses approval on the austin-case (page 22) but it gets kinda drowned in what follows. But still, even with three voters and another two approving of it, it doesnt get half the momentum the Node wagon does! Ok, onto some conclusions on what I get from this. - I dont think Node is scum. The case is weak and the wagon strange. - I still think austin is scum and that mafia successfully managed to diverge town attention from austin to Node (while keeping Shady as a backup which they obviously were fine with). People I think come off as scummy because of this: - VisceraEyes + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 10:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Well, I went over austin's filter and was coming back to tell you guys that I didn't want to lynch him based upon it, and then I saw two walls of his. We're not lynching austin today. I'm liking a Node lynch. I do NOT think we have the votes to make it happen. I still like a Shady lynch, but more and more it's feeling like an angry townie ragequitting the game more than a scummy manipulation tactic. However his explanation for his trolling was totally bullshit and I can get behind his lynch more than kj/austin. Abandons austin with no good reason. He says he already has a reason ready after having read his filter, but somehow the two walls of text makes expressing those reasons unnecessary. He still hasnt yet expressed why he left austin. This seems very convenient. Ending it with a clear statement that "We're not lynching him today" also sounds weird. Even if VE is town and honestly believe austin isnt scum, why would he feel the need to add a strong statement like that? Why wouldnt he encourage further discussion on the austin-topic even though he doesnt plan to vote for him? - Marvellosity + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 10:58 marvellosity wrote: I have very similar thoughts to this indeed. There are still some of us around and votes are split. Let's see if we can push Node? As with you I prefer him to Shady and Shady to then anyone else. Less scummy than VE, could just be a case of trusting VE a bit too much. Also it seems a bit unlikely scum would line up three of their players to have one post a case (austin), and then two immediately following it (VE and marv). It would be a bit too obvious. However, this post: + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 11:04 marvellosity wrote: let's do this ##vote: node Kinda strengthens the suspicions again. So Im not really sure where to put marv right now. Less scummy: Kush, Boson, imperfection, BroodKing. Since they are all joining the wagon without any real motivation. At this point the wagon is rolling and people are switching, but I will definitely keep my eye on these four. Overall I must say its remarkable how how people switch so fast to Node because of what I would call a very weak case made by a person who is currently set up to have a wagon starting on him (austin). I'd say its very likely we have at least one scum in the austin/VE/marv trio. Two is definitely possible too. All three? Maybe not, it would be a bit too obvious I feel. ------ Annul, being the first one to notice this, comes off as town to me. I'll look at the people mentioned more closely and see what additional info I can possibly find when I get more time. For now, this post just covers the (imo) terrible Node case. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On October 02 2012 17:47 thrawn2112 wrote: Kush are you scum? People have been calling him out for saying scummy sounding stuff, and some people have said that he's not playing at all like his scum meta. Well I don't think he's playing like his town meta. He's known for saying dumb stuff from time to time as either town/mafia but this game he just seems way too illogical, even taking his meta into account. In the last game I played with him where he was town he was extremely helpful and the flames were few and far between. His scum meta has been exposed to be full of faked anger, extreme failures of logic, and constant insults towards everyone in the game. The way he's playing this game strikes me as a slightly toned down version of his scum meta. He rolled scum twice in a row and everyone got to see his scum play, so he would have changed his meta somewhat if he were to roll scum again. But it still seems like he's putting up somewhat of an act, and in the games where he was town you could see right through to his obviously convoluted townie thought process. While reading through his posts in this game I get this huge "I don't give a shit" vibe about his feelings towards the lynch and he's said several things that suggest he's not trying very hard or caring about his vote, and that's not the town kush I know. Town kush = sometimes says dumb stuff, but you can see right through to his thought process and he's very cooperative in general Scum kush = faked anger, extreme stupidity at times, and likes to throw around insults very often This game = looks more like his scum meta than his town meta. He's being too illogical/rude for me to be able to write it off as his "scummy town-meta" Hmm, this kinda rivals marv's earlier claim about Kush. And considering: -I think marv acted scummy in the Node case -marv kinda defended Kush when early votes started to land on him -Kush was also an early joiner of the Node wagon -You think Kush is playing a toned down scum game Kush could definitely earn a spot in my scummy-looking group of austin/VE/Marv. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On October 02 2012 13:25 VisceraEyes wrote: That's not the worst part. The worst part is we lynched a townie. That's just a bad, expected, forseeable part. The worst part is that we didn't fucking lynch scum annul. On October 02 2012 13:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I really like austin all of a sudden. And really dislike Mattchew. It's going to be an eventful night guys. Sleep tight.  Three lines of text, three questions: 1) What gave you the scum-read on annul? You were targetting him previously but to my knowledge your last stance on him was this: At this point I'm null - I got a false read on him early on, and while I think his anger at me seems a little contrived, I know I've overreacted once or twice to people calling my posts stupid or something. Once that I remember for sure. Maybe twice. Has this changed? If so, why? 2) Why do you like austin? 3) Why do you dislike Mattchew? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 02 2012 18:54 Kreb wrote: Hmm, this kinda rivals marv's earlier claim about Kush. And considering: -I think marv acted scummy in the Node case -marv kinda defended Kush when early votes started to land on him -Kush was also an early joiner of the Node wagon -You think Kush is playing a toned down scum game Kush could definitely earn a spot in my scummy-looking group of austin/VE/Marv. Here. Let me tell you why you're fucking awful. You're fucking awful because you've already managed to make a 4-man connection before anyone involved (node, austin, kush). Who do you think is better at understanding meta, newbie thrawn (no offence intended at all, just fact) or me? Who *have* we had flipped? We've had Shady flipped. Confirmed town. What drugs are you on when you're looking at those on the Node wagon as the most culpable, instead of the people who derailed it back to Shady? Damn right I defended kush, I think he's playing to his town meta far more than his scum meta, and he's such a god damn easy lynch for scum just to park on going "lol scumslip must be scum." Looking at the voting list, the interesting points are players like BC, Matt, Keir, talis. It became clear kj wasn't a realistic lynch target with plenty of time to spare. BC came in, contributed some, then totally disappeared. Not sure on Keir. talis may be the worst of the bunch with his awful case on VE and subsequent total disappearance. | ||
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marvellosity
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
100 percent of thrawn's reads are incorrect, so he just confirmed me town. For most of the day I did not give much of a shit who was lynched this is true. D1 what can I say. I.did definitely start giving a shit towards the end. I really did not want to lynch shady (that's why I was happy to move to node) until he voted at the last second which seemed hellsa scummy to me at the time. | ||
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kushm4sta
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 02 2012 08:33 Mementoss wrote: -snip- Now to search for scum since shady sands most likely will be modkilled. To which I said a couple of hours later: On October 02 2012 10:34 marvellosity wrote: I also went back and had a look at Mementoss, and he just seems kinda nullish. Deadline kinda sucks because he said he was going to look for scum an hour or two ago, and he could still be doing that, but I can't stay up forever :/ Except Mementoss never came back or contributed to the scumhunt/discussion. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
On October 02 2012 18:54 Kreb wrote: Hmm, this kinda rivals marv's earlier claim about Kush. And considering: -I think marv acted scummy in the Node case -marv kinda defended Kush when early votes started to land on him -Kush was also an early joiner of the Node wagon -You think Kush is playing a toned down scum game Kush could definitely earn a spot in my scummy-looking group of austin/VE/Marv. Why did you only include marv in those that defended kush. I remember several people doing. Myself included somewhat. | ||
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iamperfection
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
At the time I started the voting off, the austin wagon was already not getting off the ground. Before I laid my vote, the count was at Shady: 9, austin: 3. And in fact people were consolidating on to Shady; when I placed my vote, the previous 5 votes had gone on to Shady. For Node to be a 'distractionary' wagon, it would certainly be a distractionary wagon off of Shady. Now tell me how this makes sense? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
On October 02 2012 21:39 marvellosity wrote: I'll explain it a little more factually for you, Kreb. At the time I started the voting off, the austin wagon was already not getting off the ground. Before I laid my vote, the count was at Shady: 9, austin: 3. And in fact people were consolidating on to Shady; when I placed my vote, the previous 5 votes had gone on to Shady. For Node to be a 'distractionary' wagon, it would certainly be a distractionary wagon off of Shady. Now tell me how this makes sense? well you did lead a wagon from one townie to another as scum in a previous game. Although i think this situation is different. | ||
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