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LOL. Shady. Omg. Right now I'm trying to figure out if:
A) shady's vote on me is too retarded to come from scum.
B) shady's vote on me is retarded enough for him to be scum.
Its not that I was wrong about alsn. Its that I want town cred.
Actually the main reasons I'm less suspicious of debears I've already stated. I don't think his actions are necessarily scum-motivated. He also tried convincing kush to stop his antiques, and I don't see him doing that outside the QT to draw attention to himself. Its called reconsidering, not "I want to lynch a townie so as to not lynch a townie" shitfest you have going on.
Going by experience, everytime I've seriously felt like punching you silly, you were town.
That only leaves djodref. Expect some heat buddy. Your fos of me was hella weird.
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That's maybe because I changed my mind?
Gj knowing alsn is town btw. You must be smart.
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Where did I fos half the town, you halfwit? Why would I want to go ahead and do that as scum, even if I did? Pea-brained friend, please try this thing called thinking. Anyways enough about you. I take it as usual you didn't read anythin past what is bolded from my filters, and as usual you haven't read the game.
Gonnna try to reach some conclusion on djedref.
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A lot of djodrefs posts make a lot of sense from a scum point of view.
He's mentioned he's played mafia elsewhere before, so he knows a thing or two. Hes playing the newbie card
A lot (and I mean, a lot!), and he also makes posts generally scum don't like to make (ithis gives me towncred, right?)
He distances himself on lehsrac, happy he will be lynched. As townie I'm definitely not happy he got modkilled, so this seems like an attempt at distancing himself. His interactions with kush are flimsy at best. He also safely nested on debears when debears had an infinite amount of pressure on him, and stayed there. If we assume debears is town, claiming him his top scumread is very very comfortable for scum. His latest fos on me was inconsistent as fuck, given his interactions with me all game long. He also thinks debears is scum, but doesn't push it, like, at all.
I'm still deciding if I'm gonna go full-force on him when I get home, but please keep this in mind when reading his filter. RSC and SDM, I invoke you yet again to read his filter with this in mind.
One more thing: if he was town and felt that way about me, why didn't he say so before? The only reasonable explanation is because he thought it would be antitown. If he thought it antitown, he would have argued so when commenting on shady sands on my case. This seems very reasonable for a townie to do, do you agree?
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EBWOP: - wasn't glad he was GOING to get modkilled (instead of replaced) before SS gets all ahppy
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Also, I don't buy how he's talking to the last scum. He's done that three times already.
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The only thing that could possibly make the slightest of sense is my willingness to vote debears over kush. Up until kush begged to be lynched, I thought the case on him was mostly meta-based, and I didn't find his scumslip to be necessarily a scumslip at the time. Even so, I went over a billion times why I thought a debears lynch was better. If this is what you think is scummy, you know, sticking your neck out to openly defend your scumbuddies, then lynch me and realize how bad you are. I immediately switched (actually, in the exact moment) he pronounced himself scum.
The other "argument" that my whole purpose for the battle of the noose was to give myself some towncred is utterly, utterly ridiculous. Never in a million years would I be able to fathom why I would go through all that effort to switch between townies when I can safely (and non-suspiciously) stand behind a scummy as hell looking debears lynch with another prominent townie like DP supporting me in a desperate attempt to gain some town cred (somehow..). Only so then I want to go 180 and claim debears townie when I could just as easily (you know, like djodref is) maintain him as a top suspect, especially after writing extensive cases on him. I also gave my reasoning on everything.
Can't fucking believe I actually had to do this.
Read my take on djodref if you will. I want to lynch him, will decide how much when I get home. Omni is a waste right now, I think, he's like to get modkilled. If he even dares to post anything this late, lynch him the next day.
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EBWOP lynch him the next day if we decide he is scum.
Also, sdm. Save my filter for the night. If you don't have enough time, decide between SS and djodref. This idea to bring up a ridiculous case on me in late day 3 when I'm not even a lynch choice is typical shady's dumb thinking, which mostly manifests itself when he is town. Also, doint ignore the fact he ignored your case.
Anyways, I'm leaning slight town on him (plus, corrosion bothered writing a list before he left, as if he genuinely wants to help town. I feel if he were scum, he would just abandon this game and not care). omni seems scummy but is a wasteful lynch if he gets nodkilled, so that only leaves djodref, from my pov. Now that, from a skim of his filter, I can definitely see him as sxum, I want to lynch him atm.
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Then please use your remaining time on djodref. I'm likely going to push a lynch on him when I get home. I'm feeling pretty confident he's our last remaining scum.
The thing about omni is I recall a post where I get the feeling he is genuinely going after kush. He claims him "a little suspicious", and still presses on later.
His town case still feels weird as fuck, but ill grant that rsc asked him for it. Anyways, granted he is getting modkilled most likely, I'd change focus.
I'm actually pretty damn confident now. Gah can't wait to get home!!
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I feel its a terrible case, even trying to be as unbiased as possible. Same goes for you though, you'd have to be a fucking genious to bus kush bringing up some serious meta arguments when even DP had unvoted him. That's not something we rely on unless we are playing with fantastic players, which, quite humbly, I'm clearly not. So yean until mylo, stick with me being town 
Go through djo's filter keeping what I've said in mind. Read it twice, one assuming he's town, one assuming he's scum. There's some shit there that doesn't add up.
Especially the latest events. He's sheeped me hardcore and apparently agreed with pretty much everything I've said. Would you, as townie, find me suspicous to a point where you FOS me late day 3 based on half-assed arguments? 0 sense.
No, you would probably take the "nah, no way he is scum.. Maybe he could? Nah...". Stance you are taking now, it usually comes as a shocker when someone uve assumed town gets painted like that.
Do as I've said, keeping that and his "I an a newbie" stance hes taken all game.
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Allright I'm gonna eat something. Ill contrast omni/djodref when I get home. Read filter!!
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First of all, djodref passes himself off as newbie, and is highly insistent. This is one key trait mentioned on in Ver's XXX Mafia guide. Another trait he has is the abundance of useless "I'm drunk" posts, which I won't even bother putting up. Examples:
On September 28 2012 15:22 Djodref wrote:
@DarthPunk
For your information, i consider the comments of debears on my posts legitimate. Let me say that I even don't like them. Currently reading the guides and older game analysis.
On September 29 2012 16:26 Djodref wrote:@debearsso let me reformulate my question so we can understand each other better this time What is your read about me so far ? You can use quantitative adjectives 
Fluffy, useless post.
-snip- I understand why I'm on your null read list so far but I'd like to point out something to you and everybody.
Here is the post where Kush has made his scumslip.
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm actually proud of this one because he did it while answering one of my questions ^^ I think I deserve some town credit for that one even if I did buy kush's explanations about this slip later on.
On September 30 2012 22:57 Djodref wrote:
Hello guys !
I understand your suspicions but I'm just a town newbie with a lot of bad posts. I'll try my best to step up and post cases.
If you don't mind, I'm going to build a case on debears before addressing your attacks because I feel I might screwing up myself more if I spend too much time defending your cases against me. But I can shortly explain my backflip on Kush.
At the beginning of the game, I was not confident at all to nail a scum on day 1. I have even been called for it but, as a newbie, I didn't think I could have a correct read on someone (be it town or scum) and was really afraid of a mislynch. So, at that time, when Darth found Kush scumslip, I was not ready to believe it was so easy to find a scum. That's why I bought kush's explanations for his scumslip. After that I went out and slept and when I came back to the thread I found all the crazy posts from kush and also SDM case.
I realized at this point that the slip was indeed a scum slip. Also I realized that not being confident is bad for town so I boost up my confidence. I called the scumteam kush/debears/corrosion and also was more and more sure of kush being red.
On October 01 2012 00:14 Djodref wrote:
One last thing, I was having a FoS on corrosion but I looked carefully at his thread and I have now a town read on him. His play looks similar to mine so I think he is just a newbie with bad posts as well.
His case against Darth was poor but newbies have a lot of pressure to build original cases to establish their townieness. So I can see town motivation for it. He also admitted that the case could have been weak.
Also he defended himself in an honest and clear way.
So I understand now why people attacking him can be seen as suspicious. So far I know that debears and me have been on him. I think now that debears was hoping to push a mislynch on corrosion.
unFoS: corrosion
(Note, also gave out town read on corrosion).
I mean, the guy is on a megaphone saying "I'm a newbie town!!". I find this to be ridiculous for a townie who wants to be taken seriously, which is also what he is passing himself up as.
Note as well that he tries to distance himself from leshrac pretty hardcore:
On October 03 2012 03:10 Djodref wrote:
Please modkill Lesrah hard ! [/green][/green]
I can understand the sentiment as a townie, but it makes more sense to come from a scum wanting to distance himself from another scum. This alone would have been useless, but look at how he also tries distancing himself from the idea that he is scum:
On October 03 2012 11:30 Djodref wrote:Good morning everybody ! [joke] Please have a look at my last post about Lesrah. I've just corrected the formatting I think I deserve some town credit for this post. I also was the one asking the most for news about Lesrah in this game ! [/joke] On a serious note, I think it adds more weight to my explanations about kush state of mind and why he exploded. Could you imagine yourself win a game when you have two votes and serious scumslip against you, your partner has also one vote and the last one is just the lurkiest player you have ever seen (all this in the first 24h of the game) ? I'm almost sure he was genuinely cracking now. He was so proud of his unkilled, undefeated streak. That made him gamethrow and give away his partner. So, debears, how about you concede now ? This game is kinda lame anyway... @AlsnI'm sorry, I should not have been sheeping like this. Rest in peace !
This post is downright ridiculous. No one was giving a rat's ass about leshrac, and he brings it up as a joke that it should confirm his townieness. i.e. he just admitted that he was thinking that distancing himself from now confirmed scum is could possibly make him townier.
Also, from this very post, note the difference in attitude. This raises a huge red flag. So far we've seen a highly undecisive, doubtful, and self-proclaimed confused newbie who lacks confidence. Now, suddenly, he's absolutely confident that debears is scum? This is a very sudden shift in attitute. Another prime example, from later in his filter:
On October 03 2012 22:12 Djodref wrote:
@SDM
Last time I've checked Omni's filter, I had a slight town-read on him. I think he is a newbie town sheeping onto cases. To be honest, I think the same of the late corrosion, Remedy and Omni. I guess my filter has a little of the same flavor. So I easily sympathize with them and don't try to look more into it.
I think we are too gullible and take the cases from more experienced players as the truth itself. After that we are just reading the thread with confirmation bias so it seems natural and ok to jump on bandwagons. But at the same time, we don't want to admit that we are just sheeping so it ends up looking very washy-washy.
So when Omni says "I could reference Z-Boson case", I think he just has a strong town read on him and he is sheeping him.
Your points are correct nevertheless and I hope they are going to push Omni to shape up and produce better posts.
@Everyone
This game isn't over yet ! Don't be all laid back and trust the outcome of the game to Darth, Z-BosoN and the more experienced and active players. There is still a little possibility for them to be scum and, if this is the case, then this is the doom of Newb-Lurky Ville !
As for me, I've spent too much time looking at poisonous wine glasses lately but I'll try to shape up tomorrow.
Now he takes the tone of a confident townie. He also brings up town reads on omni, but then decides to sheep me yet again going against omni, despite his town read and his proclamation that people shouldn't sheep. Confidence gone again.
I'm guessing he doesn't want to sheep too blindly, so he gives us yet another town read:
On October 04 2012 19:27 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 22:12 Djodref wrote:
@SDM
Last time I've checked Omni's filter, I had a slight town-read on him. I think he is a newbie town sheeping onto cases. To be honest, I think the same of the late corrosion, Remedy and Omni. I guess my filter has a little of the same flavor. So I easily sympathize with them and don't try to look more into it.
I think we are too gullible and take the cases from more experienced players as the truth itself. After that we are just reading the thread with confirmation bias so it seems natural and ok to jump on bandwagons. But at the same time, we don't want to admit that we are just sheeping so it ends up looking very washy-washy.
So when Omni says "I could reference Z-Boson case", I think he just has a strong town read on him and he is sheeping him.
Your points are correct nevertheless and I hope they are going to push Omni to shape up and produce better posts.
@Everyone
This game isn't over yet ! Don't be all laid back and trust the outcome of the game to Darth, Z-BosoN and the more experienced and active players. There is still a little possibility for them to be scum and, if this is the case, then this is the doom of Newb-Lurky Ville !
As for me, I've spent too much time looking at poisonous wine glasses lately but I'll try to shape up tomorrow. This post is a prepared post to explain my slight town-read on Omni while he is on the spot at the beginning of D3. I'm not going to post it as soon as finish so it might be irrelevant depending on the events in the thread. But as everyone is sleeping or dead, I think it should be ok. Before reading my post, I recommend everyone to check his filter twice with the assumption that he is scum then the assumption that he is town. It's not hard nor long and you can forge your own opinion this way. Nevertheless, here is the points in his filter which speak for him: - Clear stance on Kush before him exploding
- Picking up debears scumslip !
- Build a self-admitted weak case on Remedy in order to make this other lurker posting more
- Transparent on his motivations
- Following cases of other players like a brainless sheep (wait it's not a town trait!)
But he really needs to post more so...
Lot's of interesting in that post.
Anyways, he goes on to reference the last scum more times later on:
On October 05 2012 01:42 Djodref wrote:
I'm off to bed guys !
I don't blame the inactive people too much because this game is now 7 against one. Moreover I guess they trust the outcome of the game to the confirmed townies and active players.
@the last scum
Unless you think you can take all of us all down, I think you might better concede.
Look at what your dead teammates have done to this thread with their quick deaths !
All the excitement is gone now :s
Quite weird indeed. It's like he is indirectly trying to convince us that there is no way he's scum.
His approach on darth/kush
He mentions this about corrosion:
On September 30 2012 06:09 Djodref wrote:Hello guys ! I'm not heading to my room drunken once again and I feel really happy about kush's flip. I would like people to focus more on corrosion than debears because corrosion tired to cast a scummy shadow on Darth while deabears looks more genuine. Game is not over yet but I have to say GG 
When he himself, initially attempted acting against Darth, but quickly gave up:
On September 28 2012 12:54 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 09:59 DarthPunk wrote:Firstly, if you were town you are not getting night killed. There is a reason that you have never been night killed, even when you claimed JK day one. Secondly, you are not getting night killed because you are not town. @DarthPunkCould you detail the reason you think Kush has never been NKed in the games he rolled town ? I found the quoted part a little illogical.
On September 28 2012 13:27 Djodref wrote:
It's a little illogical because you are saying that he looks scummy as town or as scum and yet you are able to make the difference between and scummy town Kush and a scummy scum Kush.
I also read through the last Newbie Mini Mafia games and I must agree he didn't mention night kills so much when he was town iirc.
I'm looking forward his explanations about his town read on you and I hope more people can give their opinion about your case on Kush.
As I was also reading the game where you were mafia roleblocker and I saw your ability to flame with Shiaopi, I'm not buying it yet.
So it's a pretty silly thing to use against somebody when you yourself hinted you aren't buying DP's legitimacy in posting.
His stance on me
I'm not gonna bother quoting everything, but he's sheeped every single case I've made. Every. Single. One. He's even sheeped my attitude regarding debears:
On October 03 2012 13:57 Djodref wrote:
@debears
I'm not going to be stupid so I'm going to prepare for the eventuality of you being town. We are now 8 townies against one scum so I guess it's not going to be easy to find him if it's not you.
By the way, who is the last scum on your opinion ?
I'm going to look closely on the players who would have benefited from a hypothetical strategic bus of kush. Would you at least agree that it's very unlikely that kush wasn't strategically bussed if you are not scum ?
@everyone
Please somebody kill debears tonight, I don't want to lose my sanity into the dark shadows of WIFOM...
On October 05 2012 15:20 Djodref wrote:
@debears
Ok, I'll get through it.
Could you be as kind as giving me the links for his previous games ?
Also, you are still on my scumlist, but I would like to say that the more you post, the less I want to lynch you. Isn't it strange ?
It seems like he is hiding himself behind me, like an insecure little townie indeed. Now, I'm sure everyone has already felt like that towards a player, and what do you do as soon as someone throws dirt on someone you've been agreeing to all game long? FoS him? I don't think so. Even if you do have suspicions it's ridiculous to think that you'd switch views just like that. But he's not going all out against me, he's just, you know, slightly agreeing on a case where I forged evidence on debears to make him look scum, and then keeps himself @ debears being scum regardless. Doesn't want to go full 180 does he?
I still have my doubts on debears, and my doubts on Omniscient. I was confident on djodref, but his whole "debears is scum I'm sure of it" theory is being consistent, but the problem I have is it's being consistent because it's just a general sheeping of my posts and sentiments.
On October 05 2012 01:18 Djodref wrote:
lol debears
Let's keep our OMGUS war for later if you don't mind.
I'm gonna prepare for this but I'm not gonna pollute the thread anymore with it.
But rest assured, I have still some cards in my hands ^^
So I'm wondering what sort of cards you have. Let us see them. If you really think debears should be lynched, the time is now, and you better give some good strong arguments. I've also made a post defending some of the arguments against him, but I'll admit I'm still quite uneasy on debears. So please, show us your cards to get him lynched. Until then, jokes on you:
Also, I encourage SDM, RSC, and Stutters (if you still exist), to review this case I've made, and review everything he's said on debears and see if you guys take it as genuine. I'm nowhere near 100% sure on my read, despite saying I was pretty confident earlier on. In my opinion he's a good lynch.
##Unvote
##Vote Djodref
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Also, right now I'm going to sleep and I'll wake up 15 minutes before deadline. Don't feel forced to vote for Djodref if you don't think he's the best lynch. I'll wake up and put my vote where you guys see fit. My opinion is you should choose between debears (who's also just sheeped me) and djodref. bbl!
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[b]##Vote Omniscient4983[/g]
This is ridiculous he's gonna get modkilled.
I'd say go for debears.
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The wagon on me is ridiculous and without merit, there's a lack of any real cases against me. Don't be this stupid if you are town. Go debears.
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It's not me goddamnit. The case on me is retarded, don't go sheeping because someone told you to.
Debears was extremely flimsy here, he said he had a town read when he analyzed my meta, now he suddenly comes with this scum one when people are most undecisive. Don't be ridiculous.
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Serioiusly, he's gonna get modkilled. Cmon, let's switch for debears, his flimsyness on me was retarded...
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There's 3 people here, please agree to this. It's illogical to lynch me, there's no real case. FFS use your heads, why waste time on a modkill?
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He's not gonna vote now. It makes sense. Go for debears.
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DON'T WASTE YOUR FUCKIN LYNCH ON A MODKILL
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DJODREF YOU IDIOT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?? HE WAS YOUR BIGGEST SCUM READ! THE CASE AGAINST ME IS RIDICULOUS
I WAS SHOT N1 AND I HAVE PROOF, I'M A VETERAN, DON'T DO THIS
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