Rockband Mini Mafia - Page 83

On September 25 2012 22:30 Ange777 wrote:
The difference is that prplhz has posted things which made him scummy in my opinion while Hiro had not posted things which made him scummy in your opinion. We had totally different arguments and view points in this matter. Usually I try to refrain from reading to much into day 1 activity because it is only day 1 and it's not always accurate to judge people from their day 1 activity.

On September 25 2012 22:31 marvellosity wrote:


Actually Day 1 is arguably the most important day, imo.

What was specifically scummy about prplhz? I mean, I pulled up the quotes and your main argument was that he wasn't scumhunting. What else?

On September 19 2012 04:25 marvellosity wrote:


that's not a question, that's a stupid statement

care to tell me how troll Palmar who made one post in Death Note is the same as retard Palmer in Rock Band who comes into the thread pointing fingers in an unsubstantiated fashion?

Still, I think Palmar might just be awful this game.

prplhz jumping on my vote, however, is scummy as shit.

On February 25 2012 04:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
My case on you BH is based almost solely on meta and I've said this. You're clearly not looking for scum, you're just hopping on bandwagons started by veterans because in your experience those are the bandwagons that end up being successful. It's transparant as hell and it's why I want you to hang.

But as a side-note, your posts ARE useless, but because I don't find that indicative of alignment, merely of skill, I've left that out.

On September 19 2012 22:39 marvellosity wrote:
Alright, I'm not sure how to construct this post, but here are my thoughts on some stuff in the game:

Firstly, in response to Mementoss re: what I said about Hiro (probably gonna duplicate this as my post goes on, but meh):



This is what I thought about it:

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Leading on from this, I'm a little suspicious of Hapahauli. Partly because I know what he's capable of when I saw him dominate town as scum in one of his newbie games. There are two reasons:

Firstly, how he questioned me on listening to Hiro. I'm well aware that a lot of you disagreed with me finding Hiro's point on Palmar interesting, but I don't understand the thought train of not listening to a player just because you're voting for them, especially on Day 1.





It can be scummy in a certain context? What does that even mean? We only have one context here, and it's a Day 1 read for not contributing starting to contribute something I hadn't thought of. Don't know what context he was thinking of, or what answer he was possibly expecting from me.

Secondly, and with greater weight, were the contradictions on Mementoss + voting that Hiro pointed out. It's a disconnect in thinking about an issue that is often explained by the fact that scum have to manufacture opinions, and therefore they don't match up. The fact he backed down from it doesn't change the fact he made it in the first place. In Movie Mafia Day 2 (hi prplhz) Snarfs plunked his vote on me (QQ, a theme) with a contradiction of dismissing my town motivation as WIFOM, and using WIFOM to give the scum motivation. I called him scum for it, and he backed down from it (because how can you maintain a contradictory position?) but he was scum nevertheless.

There's not enough else in Hapa's filter to warrant me voting him or anything. A lot of what he's done seems constructive, so I'm not willing to go after him, but I'm uneasy.

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mkfuba: Someone else I'm kinda suspicious of but I don't want to vote today. Mementoss, I know you think we're buddying, but agreeing on a potential read is just that we agree on a potential read.

The reason I'm suspicious of fuba is that he was absent for such a long time at the beginning of the day, so I was expecting to come back with something big and impressive in the evening, and he did not.

Ameliorating these concerns slightly is that mkfuba is holy-shit wishy washy at the best of times. Seriously, go read any of his games, he's a known wishywashy meister. So this isn't really a tell either way for me. I need more information and posting from fuba to get a proper read on him.

From what I know of him, he struggles to write posts as both alignments, but especially as scum finds it hard to find stuff to write about. So that's what I will be looking out for as the game goes on (presuming I survive this lynch :D)

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HiroPro: Suspicious of him too. If his contributions on Palmar/Hapa weren't things I'd even considered myself, I'd probably want to lynch him right now. Whether people agree with it or not, I found his point on Palmar pretty good, especially as Palmar at the time came in swinging with scum/town reads with practically no explanation. The fact that he picked up on Hapa's contradiction also shows an attentiveness to the thread and analysis that indicates townie. The problem at the moment is that he has not subsequently taken a firm stance on anyone or anything beyond these observations. Leaning kinda scummy.

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Zephirdd: I know he attracted a vote or two today, but I don't wanna lynch him. I thought his Hapa case was bad, and the fact he backed down from it even weaker. But his posts since then have had a collaboratory feel that I haven't felt from Zephirdd since we were town in NMM2 together. So leaning town.

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austin: yeah, I think I most of all want to lynch austin. Some of it's gonna be a rehash, but it's important for the whole thing. The reason people jumped on austin in the first place:



Pretty much generally agreed that this was scummy, so won't delve too much. Where shit starts to diverge is on the response, which people read as townie. There's important time issues to look at. BlazingHand first pushes him to elaborate on it, and we get this as a response:



Pudding blabla not satisfactory at all. His 'townie' explanation that follows only comes after me, Hapa, and BH apply further considerable pressure.



It's not a bad explanation as it goes, and I can see why people viewed it as townie. But the fact is that it only came after his previous, poor explanation. In other words, he had to give a good explanation because he knew a large part of town was hounding him for it. In this context, I believe it loses some of its 'townieness'. I bold the final line as well for a reason. Obvious was the wrong word choice, eh? Look at how austin usually posts - longwinded, carefully thought out. Yet in this instance he'd thrown out his 'obvious' and 'too damning'. It looks like austin is justifying his scummy words after the fact.

austin has a few posts subsequently, but they are all focused on his own defence rather than any other scumhunting. Why is he so worried about how others view his defence? Why is he only talking about his own defence rather than being proactive elsewhere? Because he's worried that he needs to appear as town.

After these posts, austin has been markedly absent from any of the considerable goings-on in this thread. We don't have an opinion on anyone or anything, except his own defence. His play is marked by being worried by how he appears, rather than finding scum.

##Vote: austinmcc

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The only other candidate I'm interested in is prplhz. Ange makes some very good points, especially the two I pointed out a little earlier:



Unless these are answered satisfactorily, I am open to a prplhz lynch too.

On February 22 2012 18:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
VisceraEyes Lynch List of Storm's End
BloodyC0bbler - My complaints echo the complaints of players such as DocH and Syllogism...he's had plenty of opportunity to come look for scum - he hasn't. He placed a vote on redFF without saying whether he thought he was scum or not. I was less than satisfied with his responses to my posts, and I've been unimpressed with his effort so far in the game. I voted for this guy in L, and while I was herpin and a derpin, he was finding scum and establishing his innocence.

wherebugsgo - WBG has similarly not been interested in finding scum. He called chaoser scum lightly at the beginning of the day, but it looked more like an excuse to get into a conversation with him than anything. This is directly after he just got done buddying him in his introduction post. Followed up with calling redFF bad ad nauseum. Very clear to not say scum - only very bad. Suddenly this all changes after red sheeps after Jackal? Sheeping is something scum and town do in equal parts - verily, many a veteran townies count on a few sheep to push their agendas. Claims that most of what red has done can be explained 'with scum motivations'. Fails to elaborate or support this idea. Just throws it out there.

RebirthOfLegenD - my weakest read - I'm really only interested in showing RoL rope if he doesn't start looking for scum. This redFF wagon essentially pushed itself, and he's making it his MISSION to make it happen. I don't even know if RoL thinks red is scum or not. But it's pretty clear that he wants red to die. TODAY.

I can support a lynch of any of these three players, my preference is WBG, followed by BC, with RoL being my least favorite choice.

On September 20 2012 05:38 marvellosity wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote prplhz

best get talking, prplhz.

On February 23 2012 03:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay guys, I'm switching to BH. I think he's scum too, and I can at least admit that we're losing less (no offense) being mistaken and lynching BH than we are being mistaken and lynching BC.

On September 19 2012 21:03 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar's entire shitty case is this:

"marv is better than this, therefore he is scum".

I have the case open in a separate tab to see if I need to respond to specific points, but I can find very little worth responding to.

Yes, my tone changed, I got a bit heated. What of it? If you want to go down that road, it's something I'm far more likely to do as town. WIFOMy? Sure, but Palmar's entire case is WIFOMy. Anyone go find me a single example of me 'losing the plot' as scum - you won't be able to find an instance, I wager. Or NMM3 where I was actually scum and Palmar called me out and I just flat out ignored him.

On the other hand, as town I have been known to self-vote (Movie Mafia) or go into a 24-48 hour funk (Bureaucracy, when Foolish called me scum for no reason, and it knocked me sideways until I recovered and realised Foolish was scum).

"Did you think I wouldn't tell people what I thought about other people in the game? Should I just not call out my reads because they "mess with an already divided town"?"

Yeah except you gave very little reasoning for anything. You said austin is scum and provided one quote going "lol here's evidence" with no explanation of why the quote made him scum. You called Hiro scum with no reasoning, and ditto you laid a vote on me later with a one sentence explanation. That's pisspoor play, Palmar.

I will be filtering this afternoon to see who I particularly want to lynch. I don't care if you/people thought I was weird for liking Hiro's Palmar point; to me it was a perspective that I hadn't thought of at all and so it was interesting. Additionally Hiro's points on Hapa's contradictions were strong. Listening to contributions from a day 1 scumread who was mainly a scumread for not contributing is not scummy behaviour. I'm not sure if it's enough from austin to make me not want to lynch him, but at the moment I'm leaning towards austin. He's been very absent through critical discussions when I know he could have been active, and that's scummy play.

On February 23 2012 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote:


I'm not scum bro, you're completely mistaken. But you know, feel free to keep not making any sense. You don't even have a case against me, you quoted a bunch of my posts and said "timing is a bitch" which doesn't mean anything without context.

Now shut up, vote BC or you die overnight. I'm 100% serious here.

On September 19 2012 00:57 HiroPro wrote:
k, Palmar is scum. hapa probably is too. Not because of Zeph's case though lol.

On September 22 2012 08:36 HiroPro wrote:


rofl

On September 24 2012 22:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Ange, while you were busy most of the weekend, will you be available and active in the next few days?

Also, I'm interested in hearing some of your updated reads - particularly on Hiro, iamperfection, bluelightz, and mementoss.

On September 25 2012 00:26 HiroPro wrote:
Ok guys. I seriously don't understand what you're doing. I made a great case and none of you are actually reading it.

Let me put it this way to you. Serial killers have 1 KP. Mafia teams have 1 KP. How many people do you need to kill in order to get rid of the serial killer? Only 1. How many people do you need to kill in order to get rid of mafia? 2.

SO WHY ARE WE NOT KILLING THE SERIAL KILLER MARV!!!

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Mementoss

I am not sold on his town-alignment. I really didn't like the way he nitpicked my filter and tried to accuse me of scummy behaviour when he himself did the exact same thing. I have not read anything that made me think he's townie yet.

@ Ange

Thanks for providing your reads, but they are far from detailed and I hope you catch up soon.

That being said...


Stop it. I know you're better than this. There is a 0.1% chance that Mementoss is not town. You keep calling him scummy, but you never once addressed the significance of his claim, or how a non town-aligned player could pull that off.

Him "nitpicking" your filter doesn't make him scummy. Inconsistency doesn't make him scummy (remember JingleHell in XXII). Fact is, that you're behaving really scummy, and it's not scummy to attack a scummy player.

On September 26 2012 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Well only 3 more hours until Hiro flips and we can all be productive again...

@ Ange
Still waiting...



You cast idle suspicion on Mementoss without even considering his claim. Address his claim, then tell me if you're not convinced of his alignment.

@ Marv
Well I largely agree with you that Ange is scum, but not for those reasons. Her tunneling prplzh as opposed to another player can be both alignments. The real issue is her sudden drop in activity after austinmcc called out her slip, as well as her really lackluster play since the start of D3.

Have to say that I'm feeling slightly better about Bluelightz since he's trying a bit. He's far and away my #2 lynch candidate after Ange though. But that's a discussion for D4.