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Firstly, regarding Hiro:
Mementoss brought up some really interesting points on Zeph. I'll have to look at that.
@ Ange
Thanks for providing your reads, but they are far from detailed and I hope you catch up soon.
That being said...
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Mementoss
I am not sold on his town-alignment. I really didn't like the way he nitpicked my filter and tried to accuse me of scummy behaviour when he himself did the exact same thing. I have not read anything that made me think he's townie yet.
Stop it. I know you're better than this. There is a 0.1% chance that Mementoss is not town. You keep calling him scummy, but you never once addressed the significance of his claim, or how a non town-aligned player could pull that off.
Him "nitpicking" your filter doesn't make him scummy. Inconsistency doesn't make him scummy (remember JingleHell in XXII). Fact is, that you're behaving really scummy, and it's not scummy to attack a scummy player.
Regarding Bluelightz
Not the most stellar analysis, but there's effort at least. I'll comb through his responses a bit more this afternoon.
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Just as a placeholder thought, more as a reminder to myself so I don't forget later:
when I made my original case on Hiro day 1, Ange was dead set on prplhz over Hiro at the time, for reasons that I thought to myself should make Hiro more likely scum than prplhz. I think there may even be a little back and forth day 1 where I pushed her on this. Food for thought.
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How can town let itself be controlled by the serial killer??? Absolutely disgraceful performance. Like absolutely. marv is not even trying to hide it (look, still no pictures!), but you guys are just letting him get away with it.
hapa were you really roleblocked???? Don't cover for the serial killer!!!
On September 17 2012 21:03 marvellosity wrote:I figure SK, but whatevs  edit: also Mementoss, you're well aware that for me, "posting less" is still "posting considerably more than most other people"
Like he even announced pregame that he wanted serial killer.... So ghost probably gave it to him.
On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
yesssss, I get to live because of WIFOM!
hi all <3
And then look at his entrance. WIFOM to make everyone think he's a townie.
On September 18 2012 20:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 13:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh lastly, can someone who is familiar with Zeph's meta tell me if he's capable of making horribad cases as town? The confirmation-bias in his posts makes me think so, but I'd rather hear it straight from a vet or two.
G'nite folks. Yes, he made the worst case in the universe on me last game.
And then he calls people bad again!!! Not scum, but bad!!!
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On September 25 2012 01:20 marvellosity wrote:
Just as a placeholder thought, more as a reminder to myself so I don't forget later:
when I made my original case on Hiro day 1, Ange was dead set on prplhz over Hiro at the time, for reasons that I thought to myself should make Hiro more likely scum than prplhz. I think there may even be a little back and forth day 1 where I pushed her on this. Food for thought.
Because I'm obsessed with fucking mafia, I went ahead and dug into this right now. When people are looking at this themselves, pay attention in filters/whatever to timestamps.
On September 18 2012 23:54 Ange777 wrote:
@marv:
I don't remember if I've played with Hiro (probably not). Is there some meta play I should be aware of? Otherwise I can't understand why you are pushing a HiroPro lynch when I feel like prplhz is far more scummy.
On September 19 2012 00:35 Ange777 wrote:
@marv: I am far more comfortable lynching someone I have a scum read on (prplhz) than a semi-lurker (HiroPro). Especially as I feel that his posting is exactly the same as GSL Open.
Why is prplhz scummy? From what I gather from Ange's filter, it's mostly because he hasn't scumhunted. Thus:
On September 18 2012 17:26 Ange777 wrote:Ok, after reading the thread there are a few matters which strike me. prplhz
Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote:On September 18 2012 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Also, you literally stopped posting when I posted the case on you, so there's that. Yea I had just queue a game of DotA2 when you posted it and then I decided that I would rather see how it other people reacted before shooting it down. I don't really get the first argument. You are saying that my first posts are similar in my scum games, this doesn't make me scum. Then you argue that the first posts themselves have a distinct scummy agenda which is very disputable but more importantly, do you really think that any scum feel the need to push any agenda in their first post? I think that my first post is townie, I think that for all of those scum games you posted. At least the content is townie. Not everything scum posts is scummy. As for the "He's not quick to vote", no that's right, I didn't vote yet during the first 30 minutes of the game. I think it's a very thin argument that I should be scum because of that. I think I like to play both styles styles of "aggressive" and "careful and prodding" as town, I guess it all depends on what mood I am in. Anyway, I think your case on me looks townie and with everything else you've posted I'm pretty confident that you're town.
austinmcc, I thought this guy looked really scummy up until this post. It's especially his explanation of that single word "OBVIOUS" that seems very townie to me. It looks like he really thought carefully about my alignment and didn't consider covering his own ass or anything like that. I like that. Townie for now. Mementoss is a little harder. I think he just voted me because I posted a dumb picture and corrected his grammar. That can be really antagonizing I hate when people do that to me when I make a dumb little mistake. Overall I've got a townie feeling about him. marvellosity is pretty shabby for now. Show me some of that "thinky" that you promised before the game. We also need everybody else to join the game and post some more. Actually I am not that sold on the effort in scum hunting he has done. I was equally suspicious of his first post as the last game I played with him had the exact same kind of starting post. After having defended himself against Blazinghand's case he proceeded to give us 3 town reads and stated that he is suspicious of marv due to the lack of posts. The case generated so much discussion that I find it unlikely that all he gained from it was town reads. Where are your scum reads? @Blazinghand: I liked his explanation for the starting post as well but your case was not just based on the starting post but on his lack of activity/scum hunting as well. So why switch off of him? It seems like an easy way to change your vote even though he has not delivered what you were asking from him: scum hunting.
On September 18 2012 22:01 Ange777 wrote:@prplhz: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote:
Disclaimer: I don't read any analysis that refer to the "Zephirdd Rule" also known as the "Kenpachi Rule Extended" because I think it's bullshit.
Anyway, HapaHauli is playing active and townie and I have no interest in lynching him today. Ange777 is looking terrible though.
@Ange777 Have you been scum at any point and can you direct me to one of those games?
List of people who suck: Bluelightz, marvellosity. What makes you think my play is terrible? And why does thinking the Kenpachi/Zephirdd Rule is bullshit entitle you to just ignore cases? Just because someone posts bullshit does not mean that it can't help you uncover scum. Again I don't see any kind of scum hunting from you. Scum?
A lack of scumhunting, right. The problem is this: up to that point, Hiro had literally not done any scumhunting whatsoever, and Ange is dismissing it as a "semi-lurker lynch":
On September 19 2012 00:35 Ange777 wrote:
@marv: I am far more comfortable lynching someone I have a scum read on (prplhz) than a semi-lurker (HiroPro). Especially as I feel that his posting is exactly the same as GSL Open.
What prplhz had provided though, is this following post:
On September 18 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Also, you literally stopped posting when I posted the case on you, so there's that. Yea I had just queue a game of DotA2 when you posted it and then I decided that I would rather see how it other people reacted before shooting it down. I don't really get the first argument. You are saying that my first posts are similar in my scum games, this doesn't make me scum. Then you argue that the first posts themselves have a distinct scummy agenda which is very disputable but more importantly, do you really think that any scum feel the need to push any agenda in their first post? I think that my first post is townie, I think that for all of those scum games you posted. At least the content is townie. Not everything scum posts is scummy. As for the "He's not quick to vote", no that's right, I didn't vote yet during the first 30 minutes of the game. I think it's a very thin argument that I should be scum because of that. I think I like to play both styles styles of "aggressive" and "careful and prodding" as town, I guess it all depends on what mood I am in. Anyway, I think your case on me looks townie and with everything else you've posted I'm pretty confident that you're town.
austinmcc, I thought this guy looked really scummy up until this post. It's especially his explanation of that single word "OBVIOUS" that seems very townie to me. It looks like he really thought carefully about my alignment and didn't consider covering his own ass or anything like that. I like that. Townie for now. Mementoss is a little harder. I think he just voted me because I posted a dumb picture and corrected his grammar. That can be really antagonizing I hate when people do that to me when I make a dumb little mistake. Overall I've got a townie feeling about him. marvellosity is pretty shabby for now. Show me some of that "thinky" that you promised before the game. We also need everybody else to join the game and post some more.
Hiro had not even provided this. So we're left with the situation where Ange is pushing prplhz because he's far "scummier" than Hiro, based on the fact that prplhz hasn't scumhunted. HiroPro is only a "semi-lurker" despite the fact he had done absolutely no scumhunting himself and hadn't even provided a post like the one prplhz had above.
I think Ange is the final scum.
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Now I've done my scumhunting bit:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/u740E.jpg)
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how relevant will that post be if hiropro turns up town lol
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well, I will still be sexy. That's flip-independent.
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I'll do the whole "eating my hat" thing if Hiro flips town. Chances are that he flips scum. Slight chance that he flips SK, but I doubt it - no reason for him to act the way that he's doing as SK.
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On September 25 2012 01:53 marvellosity wrote:Now I've done my scumhunting bit:
well there goes his case against you now.
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Don't be fooled by the pictures, guys! He did it only under pressure from me so it doesn't really count. And if you look carefully he's holding a knife, so he's subconsciously indicating that he's a serial killer!
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V-V-V-V-VOTE COUNT:
HiroPro ( 7 ) Ange777, bluelightz, Hapahauli, iamperfection, Marvellosity, Mementoss, Zephirdd
marvellosity ( 1 ) HiroPro
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
Presently, HiroPro is set to be lynched! 23 hours remain in Day 3 !
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On September 25 2012 04:16 HiroPro wrote:
Don't be fooled by the pictures, guys! He did it only under pressure from me so it doesn't really count. And if you look carefully he's holding a knife, so he's subconsciously indicating that he's a serial killer!
Ah, I see you take issue with the knife. Not the "Hiro is scum" bit. <3
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And now I'm being misrepresented to look like scum... If you guys don't lynch marv when I'm dead....
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Lol your teammate has to be really dumb if he intends to leave marv alive
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Guys, don't get lazy. Comment on what I had to say about Ange.
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On September 25 2012 20:22 marvellosity wrote:
Guys, don't get lazy. Comment on what I had to say about Ange.
Well it kind of hinges on how much she looked at hiro those first days. I could see a scenario where she didn't take that hard of a look as town.
From my own perspective players come and go from my radar so maybe hiro wasen't on her radar and she didn't consider him that much.
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On September 25 2012 21:47 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 20:22 marvellosity wrote:
Guys, don't get lazy. Comment on what I had to say about Ange. Well it kind of hinges on how much she looked at hiro those first days. I could see a scenario where she didn't take that hard of a look as town. From my own perspective players come and go from my radar so maybe hiro wasen't on her radar and she didn't consider him that much.
the difference is that i pushed her on why prplhz and not Hiro
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Well its kind of silly for me to try and speculate what she was thinking. she promised to be more active get back in here ange.
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The difference is that prplhz has posted things which made him scummy in my opinion while Hiro had not posted things which made him scummy in your opinion. We had totally different arguments and view points in this matter. Usually I try to refrain from reading to much into day 1 activity because it is only day 1 and it's not always accurate to judge people from their day 1 activity.
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On September 25 2012 22:30 Ange777 wrote:
The difference is that prplhz has posted things which made him scummy in my opinion while Hiro had not posted things which made him scummy in your opinion. We had totally different arguments and view points in this matter. Usually I try to refrain from reading to much into day 1 activity because it is only day 1 and it's not always accurate to judge people from their day 1 activity.
Actually Day 1 is arguably the most important day, imo.
What was specifically scummy about prplhz? I mean, I pulled up the quotes and your main argument was that he wasn't scumhunting. What else?
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