On September 26 2012 07:17 marvellosity wrote: well, this is going rather well, if i do say so myself
your going to die according to hiro so leave a nice death note plz
I have lots of thoughts.
What I really want from everyone during this night phase is everyone's best efforts in finding the final scum, and discussing why they think their read is the final scum.
I want you guys as much as possible to do this before I die tonight, so I'm around to talk about it with you, as obviously it'll affect my deadline post too.
On September 26 2012 07:22 Hapahauli wrote: For everyone not-confirmed town (Ange777, Zephirdd, iamperfection, Bluelightz), make sure you post your reads on each of the other players. The more open you are, the better chance we'll have of nailing the last scum tomorrow.
as of right now i'm inclined to think bluelightz is town. The grilling he took and his responses seem like they are honest.
That leaves Zeph and ange
Marv made a case on ange but like i said before i think it is possible she could have reached the conclusion she did as town.
Zeph post he made here and response was to simply say it was a bad post
On September 21 2012 11:46 Zephirdd wrote: As I said, Bluelightz is bluelightz. I can't fucking read him for good. I just ignore him.
iamperfection is my main scum read, and I don't think his voting would make him town. I mean, I'd do that vote if I were scum. It makes no sense as the vote won't matter at the time(prplhz would be lynched anyway), but the fact that you do it in the middle of that clusterfuck makes it look townie. I know this is wifom, but I can see that occuring with a scum player.
As an example, think of Risen on TL Mafia LIII. There, he made some crazy voting/unvoting shenenigans on the last minute when the lynch targets were me and Ottoxlol IIRC. The way he made it made everyone follow the logic that "he is scum if Ottoxlol is scum and town if Ottoxlol is town". Ottoxlol was town, and he was scum. It seriously midfucked everyone. Well, at least me.
This is why I don't think IMP's vote shenenigans would say anything about him being town. Someone mentioned that IMP was more careful when he played as scum, and that makes me think of another player: JingleHell. Last time I player scum with him, he told me he would be really aggressive/abrasive because he was careful on his previous scum game, and his 'town' meta was aggressive.
IMP now and JH then are basically the same: greenhorns who just came out of their newbie games. This is why I don't believe that comparing IMP to his previous scum game will say anything about him being town either.
The issue I have with a IMP lynch right now is this: when I tried to purse his filter for more reasons to kill him, he's proven to be incredibly useful post day1. So while I don't believe the above makes him town, he's been asking some pretty good questions.
And this leads to Ange777. From what I understand, her death would say a lot about imp. Also, you guys did an incredible job at checking ange's actions - we basically need her to explain stuff and see if she's coherent - and she looks really bad after that night I guess.
I want to see what everyone has to say about ange.
This post just bugs me so much because i don't think in that way. I feel you can only make connections when someone has flipped scum. Along with comparing me to players im not (which really bugged me by the way) i just dont see town mentality behind that post and i think it was a post more designed to help position himself after an ange mis-lynch.
So if you ask me right now i would say zeph is the final scum.
Moar unconfirmed townies need to post. Still waiting on Zeph, Bluelightz, and Ange.
I'll get to my reads sometime tonight (or tomorrow), but my voting decisions tomorrow will be heavily influenced by how willing unconfirmed townies are to provide original analysis.
Also: @ Ange
What's with your activity level? You're much more active in your other town games, and you mentioned you'd be more available after the weekend.
On September 26 2012 10:16 Hapahauli wrote: Moar unconfirmed townies need to post. Still waiting on Zeph, Bluelightz, and Ange.
I'll get to my reads sometime tonight (or tomorrow), but my voting decisions tomorrow will be heavily influenced by how willing unconfirmed townies are to provide original analysis.
Also: @ Ange
What's with your activity level? You're much more active in your other town games, and you mentioned you'd be more available after the weekend.
On September 26 2012 07:22 Hapahauli wrote: For everyone not-confirmed town (Ange777, Zephirdd, iamperfection, Bluelightz), make sure you post your reads on each of the other players. The more open you are, the better chance we'll have of nailing the last scum tomorrow.
My reads are:
Ange - Probably last scum because of his 'lack' of interaction with Hiro before the day Hiro got lynched, his sheep vote on Hiro with no additional explanation or why did he believe the reason's other people pointed out. Everyone else - Town.
On September 26 2012 07:22 Hapahauli wrote: For everyone not-confirmed town (Ange777, Zephirdd, iamperfection, Bluelightz), make sure you post your reads on each of the other players. The more open you are, the better chance we'll have of nailing the last scum tomorrow.
My reads are:
Ange - Probably last scum because of his 'lack' of interaction with Hiro before the day Hiro got lynched, his sheep vote on Hiro with no additional explanation or why did he believe the reason's other people pointed out. Everyone else - Town.
hmmm so you're the SK? >_>"
My reads so far are..
Ange - town that people are shitting on. Everything she has done so far can exist from a town perspective.
Zephirdd - Fucking towniest guy ever
iamperfection - he was terrible day 1, looked better day 2. To be honest, his play makes some sense from a SK perspective: Blazinghand was a nobrainer shot, and he had a town read on austin closer to the end of the day - SK's usually want town mislynches dead when they think a scum catch is more likely the next day. austin was about to be mislynched, and I see no reason for scum to kill him, but that seems plausible for a SK to do.
Bluelightz - scum by process of elimination. I don't think ange is scum, I don't think IMP is mafia.
what do you guys think of this possibility? I'm trying to avoid the general mindset here, because I think Ange isn't as bad as make her out to be.
On September 26 2012 07:22 Hapahauli wrote: For everyone not-confirmed town (Ange777, Zephirdd, iamperfection, Bluelightz), make sure you post your reads on each of the other players. The more open you are, the better chance we'll have of nailing the last scum tomorrow.
My reads are:
Ange - Probably last scum because of his 'lack' of interaction with Hiro before the day Hiro got lynched, his sheep vote on Hiro with no additional explanation or why did he believe the reason's other people pointed out. Everyone else - Town.
hmmm so you're the SK? >_>"
My reads so far are..
Ange - town that people are shitting on. Everything she has done so far can exist from a town perspective.
Zephirdd - Fucking towniest guy ever
iamperfection - he was terrible day 1, looked better day 2. To be honest, his play makes some sense from a SK perspective: Blazinghand was a nobrainer shot, and he had a town read on austin closer to the end of the day - SK's usually want town mislynches dead when they think a scum catch is more likely the next day. austin was about to be mislynched, and I see no reason for scum to kill him, but that seems plausible for a SK to do.
Bluelightz - scum by process of elimination. I don't think ange is scum, I don't think IMP is mafia.
what do you guys think of this possibility? I'm trying to avoid the general mindset here, because I think Ange isn't as bad as make her out to be.
On September 26 2012 07:22 Hapahauli wrote: For everyone not-confirmed town (Ange777, Zephirdd, iamperfection, Bluelightz), make sure you post your reads on each of the other players. The more open you are, the better chance we'll have of nailing the last scum tomorrow.
My reads are:
Ange - Probably last scum because of his 'lack' of interaction with Hiro before the day Hiro got lynched, his sheep vote on Hiro with no additional explanation or why did he believe the reason's other people pointed out. Everyone else - Town.
hmmm so you're the SK? >_>"
My reads so far are..
Ange - town that people are shitting on. Everything she has done so far can exist from a town perspective. Zephirdd - Fucking towniest guy ever
iamperfection - he was terrible day 1, looked better day 2. To be honest, his play makes some sense from a SK perspective: Blazinghand was a nobrainer shot, and he had a town read on austin closer to the end of the day - SK's usually want town mislynches dead when they think a scum catch is more likely the next day. austin was about to be mislynched, and I see no reason for scum to kill him, but that seems plausible for a SK to do.
Bluelightz - scum by process of elimination. I don't think ange is scum, I don't think IMP is mafia.
what do you guys think of this possibility? I'm trying to avoid the general mindset here, because I think Ange isn't as bad as make her out to be.
LAL
Everything BL has done can exist from a BL townie perspective too, no?
- SK is a third party role - By game rules, SK can chose to be bulletproof(mafia immune) or check-proof(town immune) - By this, a SK can chose between anti-mafia(bulletproof) mindset or anti-town(checkproof) mindset.
Day 1, where you haven't yet decided your mindset, you were terrible. You threw votes around and generally made zero sense. Day 2, after the choice of mindset, you became much more townie. It doesn't help that you were sure austin was scum and, by the time he becomes "townie" for you, he dies.
I've been finding your play change from day 1 to day 2 odd since day 2. I was ready to make a case on your but you had changed drastically.
I can't give you specific quoting, because SKs can play a town-mindset type of game until endgame(at least before all scum is lynched). It's about your actions.
Also I hate that you feel so safe right now. You do realize it's LYLO if both sk and mafia hit their shots, right?
@marv Yes, but my feel with an ange lynch is that the same that happened with bluelightz on GSL will happen here. I don't want to open the thread and see that I lost because he was the scum.
On September 26 2012 22:19 Zephirdd wrote: @marv Yes, but my feel with an ange lynch is that the same that happened with bluelightz on GSL will happen here. I don't want to open the thread and see that I lost because he was the scum.
Yeah, but that's just emotional claptrap without real factual or analytical basis
On September 26 2012 22:19 Zephirdd wrote: Day 2, after the choice of mindset, you became much more townie. It doesn't help that you were sure austin was scum and, by the time he becomes "townie" for you, he dies.
Can you elaborate on this please. as in wtf are you trying to say.
Zeph, if your basing your scum read on me by process of elimination and meta, could you explain more why Ange, the person being shit on is town, while me, that at least has provided more content my GSL Open me is scum?
"Yes, but my feel with an ange lynch is that the same that happened with bluelightz on GSL will happen here. I don't want to open the thread and see that I lost because he was the scum."
If you think we are going on the wrong way, please argue why Ange is town, and why I must be scum (except process of elimination, I atleast provided some points on Ange).
EPT
