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On September 08 2012 01:23 Risen wrote:
Dirk is giving me scummy feelings.
1) Says he most likely won't be voting me at deadline, still hasn't unvoted me and now he's conveniently going to be absent around deadline.
2) Outs his "town reads" openly in thread. As a town player there's no reason to do this you'll just get your town reads shot. As scum there's plenty of reasons to do this since it makes the person you're calling town like you.
3) Calls Keir scummy, and does nothing about it.
I don't think there's a possibility of a Dirk/Keir scum team at this point in time, so I'm going to
##unvote
We'll see what continues to develop in this thread and I'll place my vote on someone. I still have Keir as my top scum read, but Dirk is trying so hard to make it up there.
Way to overreact.
1) Never said that. Go back and read what I wrote. I wrote I was constantly reconsidering (which should be true for everyone - except scum). I never said I would unvote you. Conviently absent my ass! It's friday night. I get drunk Friday night.
2) I've outed 1 townread. And that was when the discussion was about that person. Also no one is going to shoot BL if he is town. At least I would never do that as scum (been there in "I'm a cop you idiot mafia").
3) Yes I think keir have done scummy stuff. I think you (risen) have done scummy stuff. Only got 1 vote...
You are reaching now Risen. You're reaching for stuff that isn't there and making blind accusation about my privat life. Like I would lie about it to win. For your infomation Mike Sheridan is playing in Tivoli at Fredags Rock (Friday Rock) tonight and I'll most likely go hear him play.
Yes I said you looked better from posting after my vote but you are still the most scummy in the thread. This morning when rereading I found your top notch defence of Keir's accusation (that you still haven't answered btw) which was super scummy. And now a weird vote on me?
##Vote Risen (For emphasis!)
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On September 08 2012 01:39 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 01:33 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: In fact, it feels like point 3 would give you more reason to think that we were a scum team, not less. Your logic leaps don't make any sense to me :o I disagree, I think he'd leave you alone entirely if he was your scum partner. I don't think it's smart for scum teams to bus each other day 1.
I'd bus the living shit out of my teammate in a 2 scum setup. At least I wouldn't leave my scumpartner alone. (Again see I'm a cop you idiot mafia even though that game played out where I HAD to bus basicly)
Don't think about what scum might or might not. They do all sorts of crazy things (see drazerk)
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Dirkzor/Marv scum team looks like the best choice for a scum team right now if I had to say. That's probably me being paranoid about Marv, though. Dirk/v7? v7 might just be lazy town.
I'm trying to step away from the game and look at it as if I weren't Risen and someone else, but I can't justify voting Risen here. Who else has done as much for the thread? Who else has brought forward cases with sound reasoning behind them? I have yet to see proper defenses to the things I say, just people going, yeah that's scummy.
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On September 08 2012 01:38 Risen wrote:
Zeph: Dirk's list of things basically hit the nail on the head. Add in his wording earlier "Risen is not scum, or at least he doesn't look scum based on meta." That feels...weird? Like, as a townie without extra information, wouldn't a more appropriate phrase be "Risen isn't playing like his scum meta" or something? Leaning scum, but I'm not sure if I think he's more scummy than Risen. I'll think on it more while I'm gone.
Hey look, there you go mimicking me again. Why do you think I'm scum? Seems to me you share my thoughts on a lot of things. Makes it weird that you're voting for me. It seems like I'm valuable to you so you can come in and claim thread presence later, when really all you do is echo what I and others have said in the past.[/QUOTE]
Yes, you pointed it out first. But you havent mentioned it again since people started talking about Zeph, and I felt it was pertinent for my feelings towards him.
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On September 08 2012 01:38 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +Keirathi wrote:
Zeph: Dirk's list of things basically hit the nail on the head. Add in his wording earlier "Risen is not scum, or at least he doesn't look scum based on meta." That feels...weird? Like, as a townie without extra information, wouldn't a more appropriate phrase be "Risen isn't playing like his scum meta" or something? Leaning scum, but I'm not sure if I think he's more scummy than Risen. I'll think on it more while I'm gone. Hey look, there you go mimicking me again. Why do you think I'm scum? Seems to me you share my thoughts on a lot of things. Makes it weird that you're voting for me. It seems like I'm valuable to you so you can come in and claim thread presence later, when really all you do is echo what I and others have said in the past.
Yes, you pointed it out first. But you havent mentioned it again since people started talking about Zeph, and I felt it was pertinent for my feelings towards him.[/QUOTE]
EBWOP Formatting.
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On September 06 2012 07:10 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
prplhz's vote is definitely not worse than Risen's
stop being dumb You know very well my first post was meant to start discussion and point out some mildly scummy things prpl had said in his post. Then he comes back with an extreme overreaction in the form of OMGUS? Scum.
First time he actually calls prplhz being scum(without actually saying that directly to him) which was after my post.
Point: He thinks prplhz is scum.
On September 06 2012 08:11 Risen wrote:Why not? He's the scummiest one in thread so far.
He still thinks prplhz is scum
On September 07 2012 00:54 Risen wrote:
From Zephirdd's post
"Why do you think prplhz is scum? Tell us chronologically."
I never actually thought he was scum, he was just the scummiest guy in a thread of like 3 posters so he got the ball rolling. His reaction has not sat very well with me, but I really don't like your first sentence in that other post about me being town or at least playing to town meta or something. It just feels really superfluous to the point you were trying to make.
Wait a second. I asked you to tell us why did you think he was scum chronologically, which is the moment you first thought he was scum, why was that. But you never actually thought he was scum?
Secondly, he was the scummiest guy in the thread!? I mean, I don't know about you, but the moment I think someone is scummy, is the moment I think someone is scum. There are varying degrees, but that's how it works. If he was the scummiest, how was he NOT scum?
On September 07 2012 03:31 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 03:29 Keirathi wrote:
Also, for that matter, you repeatedly said "prplhz is scum". Except you never actually tried to convince anyone of it. You just kept repeating it ad nauseum, then when people started calling you out on it, you backtracked into saying "I never really thought he was scum anyways".
There's no townie motivation for that. Period. Except that whole starting discussion thing. And the fact that I still find prplhz scummy. My backtrack is nonexistent you just keep saying that over and over b/c you have no real point. I also find you more scummy than prplhz, my vote is where it should be.
What so he is scummy. IS HE SCUM OR NOT RISEN? DO YOU THINK HE IS SCUM OR NOT, AND WHY?
(that was a rhetorical question btw)
On September 07 2012 06:07 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 05:43 Keirathi wrote:On September 07 2012 05:24 prplhz wrote:On September 07 2012 05:08 Ange777 wrote:
I can't say that a Risen+marv scum team has not crossed my mind but your post does not explain your weird vote switch from Risen to Keir. You can't seriously believe that putting the vote on Keir had more impact. Risen wasn't getting lynched at that point and Keirathi was to get something else going and he was looking dodgy too, I already expressed my suspicions of him in the thread. I read some of his other games then and this appears to be how he's playing all the time so not as worried anymore. Where did you call me suspicious? You argued with me about me calling your vote on Risen an OMGUS vote, and said something about me having a strong opinion on you based on that conversation. But I don't see where you ever actually said you had any suspicion towards me. You just hopped on the bandwagon after marv made his case, and with basically no reasoning. You're blatantly misrepresenting facts, just like Risen is. But fuck me, I don't see both of you being scum. That would be quite a ballsy play to hop on each other very first thing. I enjoy that you mimic exactly what I just said about prpl, but I'm blatantly misrepresenting facts (hint: you're the one misrepresenting ME. How can you claim to know what I was thinking when I am the one who posted what I did)
We don't. But you said a lot of stuff. And kept saying them afterwards. What you say is what we know about you, and if you contradict yourself so much in order to answer a case, then we can't know shit.
##unvote
##vote Risen
HAMMER THAT
On September 07 2012 21:21 marvellosity wrote:
It's between Risen and Zeph for me today.
Zeph for being totes inactive and uninterested.
Risen for being a scummy motherfucker, with the possibility that he's just being terrible.
don't worry yo, I've just been drinkin'. I made like one post on the other game out of my cellphone just because that other one is near finished.
sorry for this lack of activity. don't expect me to post too constantly this weekend(it's a holiday here), but I'll do my best to read the thread and find scum.
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Risen you keep saying that you have made cases... But have you really? All you have done is calling people who wrote reason for yourself being scum as scum for using said reasons. You have called V7 scum after his case. Called Keir scum after his case and later called your defence a case on keir. Now you call me scum because I haven't unvoted you. Oh and Marv was scum because he unvoted you? Is that correct?
You are drowning and reaching for anything to grab on to. Or so it appears. I hope you are a good swimmer
Everyone voting is scum or what?
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And look at that response from Dirk! That was really emotional bud. No, you never said that exactly, but you were leaving yourself open to get off me if the wagon stopped. Outing a town read at all like that is stupid. Scum want to kill all town reads b/c that means they can't try and push a lynch on them. Again, same as with 1, I think he was just leaving himself open to swap his vote to Keir just in case the wagon moved onto him.
So what you're saying is, you've bussed people in the past, that is what you would do as scum, "see I'm town I'm not doing that!"
Rings hollow to me.
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About the bussing. That wasn't about this game (while it is still true I would bus my teammate if I were scum) specificly. It was generel advace that you acn't think what scum or wouldnt do.
And yes that was emotional because you basicly called me a liar about my personal life. Something I would never do to win a game of mafia.
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Since other people who I care about will probably think this is important or something... I thought I had already made my stance on this issue clear in the thread, but apparently I have to reply specifically to this post.
On September 07 2012 04:44 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 04:13 Risen wrote:
TOWN DIRK AND KEIR WOULD NOT CONTINUOUSLY MISQUOTE ME!
The whole line.
"I never actually thought he was scum, he was just the scummiest guy in a thread of like 3 posters so he got the ball rolling."
I think it's pretty clear that by saying, "When I made my first post prpl was the scummiest guy in thread. I didn't actually think he was scum, but as he sounded scummiest it seemed best to choose him as the target of my pressure." I could maybe buy that explanation if I took all of your posts out of context, but in the context of the thread and what was going on, it doesn't make sense. Zephirdd asked you why you thought prplhz was scum, not why you voted for prplhz right off the bat. If he said "Risen, explain to me why you voted for prplhz 40 minutes into day 1", then you saying "Oh, I didn't really think he was scum, I was just trying to get the ball rolling and his post was the scummiest so far" is perfectly understandable. But he asked you why you thought prplhz was scum, which you had been saying repeatedly, even after you told him to calm down and scumhunt. And hell, you even had some decent reasons to think he was scum. So your answer to his question just doesnt fit with what he was asking, nor with what you had been saying for the previous 18 hours or whatever.
You're not me. You don't know how I think. I was giving an explanation for my first post in that line. That's it. There is no outside context. If I was responding to a direct question of whether I thought prpl was town or scum and said, "I never actually thought he was scum." THEN you could freak out like you and Dirk have over this insignificant line. As it stands, when taken in context, I said I didn't think he was scum, I picked him b/c his post was the scummiest thing in thread thus far. His response to that initial pressure was scummy as shit, just like Dirk's response is scummy as shit and doesn't actually answer why he was leaving himself an opening to get off me and onto you should you become the next wagon.
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On September 08 2012 01:51 Dirkzor wrote:
About the bussing. That wasn't about this game (while it is still true I would bus my teammate if I were scum) specificly. It was generel advace that you acn't think what scum or wouldnt do.
And yes that was emotional because you basicly called me a liar about my personal life. Something I would never do to win a game of mafia.
Why do you have to even bring your personal life up? I don't care about your shit, this is mafia. As it stands, it's awful convenient that your vote is on me and you will be gone. Scum Dirk doesn't have to lie about being gone. There's been plenty of time for town to get off me, but since there's 4 people on me, including you, then there HAS to be some townies on me. This means you're safe going away tonight and can leave your vote on me. I have no doubt that had someone else come into the thread and pointed out the things I've said about Keir and had people move onto Keir you'd have come in here with the same exact lines about being gone and swapped your vote to Keir.
I don't see you actually DOING anything in this thread. You're leeching off other people and not making your own cases. It IS convenient that you will be gone, that in no way calls you a liar. Your initial conclusion that you'd be called out for lying is quite telling, scum.
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On September 08 2012 01:53 Risen wrote:Since other people who I care about will probably think this is important or something... I thought I had already made my stance on this issue clear in the thread, but apparently I have to reply specifically to this post. Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 04:44 Keirathi wrote:On September 07 2012 04:13 Risen wrote:
TOWN DIRK AND KEIR WOULD NOT CONTINUOUSLY MISQUOTE ME!
The whole line.
"I never actually thought he was scum, he was just the scummiest guy in a thread of like 3 posters so he got the ball rolling."
I think it's pretty clear that by saying, "When I made my first post prpl was the scummiest guy in thread. I didn't actually think he was scum, but as he sounded scummiest it seemed best to choose him as the target of my pressure." I could maybe buy that explanation if I took all of your posts out of context, but in the context of the thread and what was going on, it doesn't make sense. Zephirdd asked you why you thought prplhz was scum, not why you voted for prplhz right off the bat. If he said "Risen, explain to me why you voted for prplhz 40 minutes into day 1", then you saying "Oh, I didn't really think he was scum, I was just trying to get the ball rolling and his post was the scummiest so far" is perfectly understandable. But he asked you why you thought prplhz was scum, which you had been saying repeatedly, even after you told him to calm down and scumhunt. And hell, you even had some decent reasons to think he was scum. So your answer to his question just doesnt fit with what he was asking, nor with what you had been saying for the previous 18 hours or whatever. You're not me. You don't know how I think. I was giving an explanation for my first post in that line. That's it. There is no outside context. If I was responding to a direct question of whether I thought prpl was town or scum and said, "I never actually thought he was scum." THEN you could freak out like you and Dirk have over this insignificant line. As it stands, when taken in context, I said I didn't think he was scum, I picked him b/c his post was the scummiest thing in thread thus far. His response to that initial pressure was scummy as shit, just like Dirk's response is scummy as shit and doesn't actually answer why he was leaving himself an opening to get off me and onto you should you become the next wagon.
That's all well and good, but thats NOT WHAT ZEPH ASKED. You didn't answer his question when you quoted it, you answered a completely different question that had an easy answer rather than the real question that would actually get you to explain your reasoning and the way you were thinking.
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On September 08 2012 01:56 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 01:53 Risen wrote:Since other people who I care about will probably think this is important or something... I thought I had already made my stance on this issue clear in the thread, but apparently I have to reply specifically to this post. On September 07 2012 04:44 Keirathi wrote:On September 07 2012 04:13 Risen wrote:
TOWN DIRK AND KEIR WOULD NOT CONTINUOUSLY MISQUOTE ME!
The whole line.
"I never actually thought he was scum, he was just the scummiest guy in a thread of like 3 posters so he got the ball rolling."
I think it's pretty clear that by saying, "When I made my first post prpl was the scummiest guy in thread. I didn't actually think he was scum, but as he sounded scummiest it seemed best to choose him as the target of my pressure." I could maybe buy that explanation if I took all of your posts out of context, but in the context of the thread and what was going on, it doesn't make sense. Zephirdd asked you why you thought prplhz was scum, not why you voted for prplhz right off the bat. If he said "Risen, explain to me why you voted for prplhz 40 minutes into day 1", then you saying "Oh, I didn't really think he was scum, I was just trying to get the ball rolling and his post was the scummiest so far" is perfectly understandable. But he asked you why you thought prplhz was scum, which you had been saying repeatedly, even after you told him to calm down and scumhunt. And hell, you even had some decent reasons to think he was scum. So your answer to his question just doesnt fit with what he was asking, nor with what you had been saying for the previous 18 hours or whatever. You're not me. You don't know how I think. I was giving an explanation for my first post in that line. That's it. There is no outside context. If I was responding to a direct question of whether I thought prpl was town or scum and said, "I never actually thought he was scum." THEN you could freak out like you and Dirk have over this insignificant line. As it stands, when taken in context, I said I didn't think he was scum, I picked him b/c his post was the scummiest thing in thread thus far. His response to that initial pressure was scummy as shit, just like Dirk's response is scummy as shit and doesn't actually answer why he was leaving himself an opening to get off me and onto you should you become the next wagon. That's all well and good, but thats NOT WHAT ZEPH ASKED. You didn't answer his question when you quoted it, you answered a completely different question that had an easy answer rather than the real question that would actually get you to explain your reasoning and the way you were thinking.
You're probably right. I'm just telling you what I was responding to. Whether or not I actually responded to that specific question is irrelevant. It's probably scummy, and I'll discuss it post-game. The problem I find I have is I sit down and just type whatever comes to mind without filtering it. This leads to contradictions that shouldn't happen, and me answering things that weren't asked in the first place. If I wasn't me I'd think it was scummy, but I'd also look at all the other things I've done in thread and realize that scum wouldn't push cases so hard or with so much logic. I think my cases are very logical, something you can't say about scum cases. Now, the case being pushed on me is somewhat logical, because I've made mistakes, but it is incomplete because it doesn't look at the great good I've done in thread, instead focusing on the small blunders. This is what scum do, eventually townies make small mistakes, some more than others because some are worse, scum finds these small mistakes and exploits them. It is a townies duty not to panic and instead to continue making logical cases, that way even if I'm lynched, there are now concrete town cases in thread. That's what bugs me about prpl and anyone else in this game. Prpl responded by shitting himself openly in thread. He didn't do anything logical, he's not helping town should he be lynched. Town should play as if they're always about to take a bullet or be lynched. I don't see that from Dirk, prpl, or v7.
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Just to back up my points I'm making about my statements being logical, I say something and you come in at a later point in the thread and parrot what I've said. If you're town, shouldn't that point to someone else who's town thinking the same things as you?
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
Vote Count
Risen (5): vaderseven, Dirkzor, prplhz, Keirathi, Zephirdd
Zephirdd (1): marvellosity
vaderseven (1): Bluelightz
Dirkzor (1): Risen
Not Voting (1): Ange777
Currently, Risen is set to be lynched. With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
This Day ends in ~5 hours at Friday, Sep 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
I've seen enough. One of the things I had on zeph was that he had posted in the other thread last night, but I don't like bringing that stuff into thread. I'm reasonably happy with his explanation.
What I was hoping for from Risen that I mentioned earlier was a proper concerted push on a candidate. Instead he's just omgused more. In Not Themed he latched on to Vivax and pursued him. Nothing like that here.
##unvote
##vote Risen
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Meh, my hard pursuit in that game lead to a towns getting lynched. Also, zeph next time you ask someone to respond chronologically and they actually respond chronologically, don't call them out for doing so. Unless you're scum, then that question is awesome.
Zeph/Dirk scum team is my read. Godspeed, town. Class for two hours so I'll be back with a couple hours to spare.
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Zeph if you're town that case is going to get you lynched it's so scummy rofl
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Hmm something that bugs me. Marv knows I'm trying to change my meta, why is he still holding me to past meta?
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Dirk is my strongest scum read.
zeph follows for asking me for my thoughts in chronological order, then when I do give them in chronological order he calls me out for being inconsistent? My first sentence states why I made my first post, my second sentence states why I felt he was scum. My opinion on prpl has since changed due to the possibility that he's just lazy town (and so much scummier stuff from other people)
Marv is number three. He knows I'm trying to change, it's the reason I hydra'd with him. I've complained in Skype with him how I hate having to be rage Risen every game bc that's my "meta". He knows this, why is he calling me on meta? It's so simple. He doesn't point to anything else in his vote post, just meta. He's calling me out for changing my mind. So I should stay on one person even when someone else comes along and I find them more scummy? That's silly. Mary is really smart, if he's alive day 3 lynch him.
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