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BioSC
United States636 Posts
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BioSC
United States636 Posts
Endgame ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JnTig.jpg) Hank Hill had enough. It was time to end this game once and for all. He knew his enemy was still out there, and he was determined to vanquish him. He gathered up the rest of his surviving neighbors, and equipped himself with his propane powered flamethrower. Charcoal had been hiding in the background, pulling the strings and slowly attempting to destroy Arlington, but luckily Dale and his crazy conspiracy theories and insane ramblings finally paid off. He tapped into Arlington's security camera network and found Charcoal hiding at the county fair. They all piled into Bill's van and took off, looking to corner him once and for all. Arriving at the County Fair, Hank Hill saw his nemesis, and chased him to the bull riding arena. Charcoal knew he was done. Hank Hill lit his flamethrower, a gleam in his eye seeing the high efficiency death dealer brightened up the arena. "I tell ya what, boy. You done blew up my shop, but that will never stop me and mah boys here. I sell propane, and propane accessories, but today, I think you deserve some high efficiency 'Whoop-ass', courtesy of Arlington Propane, on the house!" Hank pulled the trigger on the flamethrower, burning the fossil fuel cleanly and efficiently. As he stopped the flow of propane, he heard a cheer from the crowd at the arena. Arlington was saved! Xatalos, the Mafia Goon, as Charcoal, was burned alive! Stutters695, the Vigilante, as Dale, continued to be paranoid! KillingTime, the Vanilla Townie, as Hank Hill, became the world's greatest Propane & Propane accessories seller! kushm4sta, the Vanilla Townie, as Bill, lived to continue being lonely and depressed! The game ends in a TOWN VICTORY! Thanks to Kitaman for hosting and allowing me to cohost, Thanks to Hapahauli, Toadesstern, and DrH for Coaching! Thanks to the players for playing! Role List: + Show Spoiler + Role List: drazak Medic Stutters695 Vigilante KillingTime Vanilla Townie Cubu Vanilla Townie Kreb Vanilla Townie Thrawn2112 Vanilla Townie kushm4sta Vanilla Townie JacobStrangelove Vanilla Townie Kville Miller WeeTee/imcasey Mafia Rolecop Xatalos Mafia Goon Sonic Death Monkey Mafia Goon Observer Quicktopic Mafia Quicktopic EDIT: Host Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At4exhFEevFSdG1xRVgyZnZOS00wZncxV0JCTkdLRWc&pli=1#gid=0 Good Game all! | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Stutters695
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
 Kind of lost my motivation to play at the end, but it was a fun road to the end. And I learned two important things from this (my last) newbie game:A) Establishing your innocence as town consists of engaging actively in all of the discussion and only changing your own views if you have a good reason. B) The worst mistake as Mafia is going into panic mode and starting to defend your teammate - never hesitate to bus unless you have no other choice. The title of Most Valuable Player has to go to Jacob, although I still don't truly understand his reasoning for lynching Sonic Death Monkey  But the end result is undeniable..(I think I'm not going to play for a while, since it was a painful experience to see new developments in the discussion and not having the time to post - especially since as Mafia, I had to double-check all my posts for slips. My military service will end in January, though, and I guess our schedules will become more relaxed near to the end, so I'll see you all in normal Mafia games at least after a few months!) | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
"Thus, my basic day one scum team kicker is: ## KillingTime, Cubu, Xatalos Xatalos because he's in the military, and military dudes are suspicious ;P" | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
Strangelove is another player I think we might be able lynch. Yikes... reading this thread I almost died like 8 or 9 times. | ||
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KillingTime
France101 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On September 13 2012 13:34 KillingTime wrote: GG all... It would have been pretty impressive if sonic & xatalos managed to cause a perfect loss on d3 MVP to Jacob or Stutters for ignoring people telling him not to claim vig because his claim turned tha game around. I was claiming d3 no matter what. Was my only real contribution to the game (sorry). Figured going into d3 as a mylo would have honestly hurt us due to worse odds/the EU who wouldn't be around close to lynch to actually no lynch and with 3 Scum they could have easily done a last second switch for the game if people locked their votes before they went to bed. I actually was debating between shooting you (misguided Scum read) or Xatalos (activity based) but Drazak's voting had me pretty convinced he was Scum (oops). Mvp had to be Jacob without a doubt. I read somewhere a while back that people usually play blue roles a, little lurkier than blues due to not wanting to eat an early nk but instead of doing more reasoned approaches I figured I'd I came off a bit scummy I could see who wanted to keep me alive as a potential mislynch and who was attacking me for the right reasons. Regrettably real life got in the way day 2/3 so even if it could have worked I didn't have time to use filters with it. Definitely going to avoid that approach in the future. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
Still have no idea why I was getting lynch. Is it fair to say it was a "feel read"? Because it didn't seem very well logically reasoned. In any case we got owned. Biggest disappointment of the game was the TL site screwing up format of this post (townie points to the one to first see the scum tell): ![[image loading]](http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/2033/scumu.jpg) | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
Problem was I didn't have much time to explain it all logically (like 10 hours til lynch and I needed sleep) so after putting up some arguments and seeing I wasn't going far I just decided to force the vote. Honestly the thing that set it off was you saying imcasey was probably scum. When I realised that was true it helped because you wouldn't be in a scum team with the others but you would with him. Something along those lines... Also the way killing was acting helped. I can't actually see the scum tell (lol) I might have seen it in game but I don't remember. | ||
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KillingTime
France101 Posts
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On September 13 2012 17:38 JacobStrangelove wrote: Well it started as a feel read (just seemed what you were saying was a little off) and when I looked at you as if you were mafia everything in the thread made logical(or intuitive) sense. So it was intuition or a feel read that made me no longer confused. Cause up until that point I honestly didn't have much of a clue. However it clicked and made perfect sense. Problem was I didn't have much time to explain it all logically (like 10 hours til lynch and I needed sleep) so after putting up some arguments and seeing I wasn't going far I just decided to force the vote. Honestly the thing that set it off was you saying imcasey was probably scum. When I realised that was true it helped because you wouldn't be in a scum team with the others but you would with him. Something along those lines... Also the way killing was acting helped. I can't actually see the scum tell (lol) I might have seen it in game but I don't remember. That's one of my problems with your read. I never said he was probably scum. And pointing out that your extreme confidence in your imcasey read was unjustified is something I would've done as town 100%. I don't think there's anything in the thread that necessarily make me look super towni, but I don't see what makes me look scum. It's hard for me to look at my actions objectively though. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On September 13 2012 17:47 KillingTime wrote: Did you really try to post that written in that manner? Ouch, funny that we suddenly ended up lynching you after you were so confident enough to do that. I was 99% sure no-one would see it. I'm actually suprised you immediately saw it even after I hinted at what it was. And yeah, that's how it shows in the preview, but not when I posted. I was pretty confident at that point though. After Jacob's n2 analysis post where he was basically completely wrong, I got really confident. I even think I said in the Maffia QT that keeping Jacob is a good thing because he's misleading everyone else. Look at how that turned out :p | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
On September 13 2012 18:21 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: I was pretty confident at that point though. After Jacob's n2 analysis post where he was basically completely wrong, I got really confident. I even think I said in the Maffia QT that keeping Jacob is a good thing because he's misleading everyone else. Look at how that turned out :p Haha yeah I noticed probably going to get night killed day two whenever I roll town now... let me mislead everyone then kill me.It wasn't so much that you would be scum for saying that but it just made me look at you. Honestly you played a near perfect game. Not so much that you questioned me on imcasey but more that because of your questioning I realised he was scum. With him being scum and the way killing reacted making him seem so town like. I was able to put killing as more town than you and with casey being mafia and stutters vig I only saw you left. (at this point I had xatalos almost confirmed scum due to the way the kville lynch went{and other things}) Also all the little things made sense. (you not wanting a vig reveal etc..{althought he vig thing seemed to confuse everybody for a while}) I am mostly just lucky my intuition kicked in. Nothing major just when I looked at filters with this mafia team in my head nothing felt wrong. I also found it amusing when kush got upset at xatalos for Nk-ing me. Although that said I am not sure if I will play mafia for a while. Getting near the end of the semseter for me. Might play in the holidays. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
On September 13 2012 18:19 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: That's one of my problems with your read. I never said he was probably scum. And pointing out that your extreme confidence in your imcasey read was unjustified is something I would've done as town 100%. I don't think there's anything in the thread that necessarily make me look super towni, but I don't see what makes me look scum. It's hard for me to look at my actions objectively though. That's the problem though. When it came down to it There were only 4 townies in the game. and you did not make the top four whichever way you looked at it. I recommend you all to read this if you have not already. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=362042 It was a bastardised version of this scum hunting strategy that got you. Negative Elimination This is kind of a bad name for the strategy, but basically you focus on making town-reads (which you largely keep to yourself). You defend them in the thread and focus on pressuring anyone you don't have a town read on, supporting their lynch and trying to gather info and increase your list of townreads. You use the process of elimination and townreads to pressure scum instead of scumreads. Pros: townreads are easier to make than scumreads. focussing on defending good townies can keep them alive for later. Cons: this makes you a bit hard to read. also, you need to constantly re-evaluate your townreads since scum could have you fooled. in games where townies are hard to find this goes very poorly. I think going for the perfect victory caught up with you. And you were also over confident by the end judging by the Scum QT. If I were you I would have bussed one of your own HARD. Then you would have been in the position Jacob was in and could have lynched anyone of your choosing. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On September 13 2012 18:50 DarthPunk wrote: That's the problem though. When it came down to it There were only 4 townies in the game. and you did not make the top four whichever way you looked at it. I recommend you all to read this if you have not already. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=362042 It was a bastardised version of this scum hunting strategy that got you. I think going for the perfect victory caught up with you. And you were also over confident by the end judging by the Scum QT. If I were you I would have bussed one of your own HARD. Then you would have been in the position Jacob was in and could have lynched anyone of your choosing. In hindsight, I agree. We should have bussed one of us hard and taken the easy win. However, I (we) got a bit overconfident and wanted to go for a flawless victory (I was also hesitant because our cover was starting to crack slowly but surely... would a bus be enough for the win?). | ||
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