EPTNewbie Mini Mafia XXVI - Page 40
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
If we ignore the end result, I still think it was stupid and a huge risk to lynch Sonic Death Monkey. The case against him was based entirely on connection theories and WIFOM, with little (if any) basis in filter analysis. Compared to KillingTime, Sonic Death Monkey's filter looked nowhere near as suspicious. Looks like at least kushm4sta agreed with my assessment: On September 10 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote: Do I agree with or even understand Jacobs case? No. But we needed consensus so rather than trying to convince him otherwise by making a case is my cell phone I just went with it lol For some reason, though, it looks like my questioning of Jacob's play turned me into the top suspect. To that I have to ask: didn't kushm4sta have very similar doubts? And why wouldn't I have gladly bussed Sonic Death Monkey to gain town cred as Mafia? And why would I have then been pushing WeeTee/imcasey for so long? If you look at my posts yesterday, you see that I'm struggling with my reads and trying to find the best solution. KillingTime, on the other hand, doesn't apparently care about who gets lynched in the least. It must have been unfortunate that the bandwagon formed on Sonic Death Monkey, but his exceedingly eager jump on Sonic Death Monkey could be a clever plot to gain some nice town cred. I, on the other hand, didn't even stop to think about town cred, but instead openly shared my doubts. It was clear at that point that there was no turning around the bandwagon, so I'd be a pretty bad Mafia to all-in and risk everything for just a bit faster victory. Stutters695 is confirmed town, and kushm4sta and JacobStrangelove would have to be godly players to actually be Mafia. That leaves only KillingTime. I'm not sure what more I can do to affect the outcome, and I'm severely short ontime as well, but I'll try to answer any additional questions or accusations when I can. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
Some people were saying that if Jacob was scum he would have to be godly. This isn't the case. If Jacob is scum and did this it was an incredibly stupid move on his part because a Killing lynch would have resulted in a victory for Scum with this NK. He would know that Imcasey wasn't there/not posting in the QT and would get modkilled. They could also use simple math to figure out that there is no reason to bus another scum because at 4/3 we mislynch and imcasey gets modkilled its at 3/2. Nightkill still seals the game. There is no logical reason for a bus in this scenario. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
@mafia aka xatalos Please don't nk Jacob. He deserves more than that even you can admit. Take me instead. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
On September 11 2012 07:44 kushm4sta wrote: @mafia aka xatalos Please don't nk Jacob. He deserves more than that even you can admit. Take me instead. Lol | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
Because this is probably my last post alive (probably will get lynched out of spite anyway.) I am going to be a little dramatic in the initial and ending stages of it. However please note the logic in the middle is non fluff and purely there so we can win the game. Well my fine friends it has been a long road and a good road. Minus the killing of that quiet guy cubu... His mother probably misses him. And kville... I really need to send his family a gift. Oh and err... turns out the guy who has been treating the sick for years on end in this town actually was a doctor. Sorry about that drazak. But, I hope to dine with you all in heaven should this final lynch go though. A toast! To the honourable townies Thrawn and Kreb! /end fluff First I am just going to state a few facts. Most of this post isn’t in paragraph style so keep this in mind. The game is not over. The reason for that text is I wanted to have a bit of fun. One we can’t miss lynches or we lose. We are 1 to 4 but one dies tonight with a miss lynch another dies and then the night kill wins the game. Secondly Xatalos has probably played the most games out of all of us. This is his fourth game as he has played three games before this. This is killings first game. Means nothing by its self but Xatalos has more practice as mafia and town. Ok with the way he was acting to the sonic case last night and his filter in the light of who is mafia you should have enough info however something you must consider. The only way he could win the game is to get a lynch on killing. Now in the past both kush and stutters have had doubts about killing however. You would think if he was town he would be arguing all night trying to win the game. (although he did post once now which I will address) What I think he is doing is waiting until I am night killed before making his case as he would have a larger chance of persuading you and I won’t be there to refute any arguments. There are other things mafia could do by not lynching me however but at the moment I only need to talk about if I am Nk’d as if not I will be alive to talk about it ^^. Also remember you (kush and stutters) thought sonic was town kush in part due to his last post. I encourage you not to go with feel reads but with facts. Remember I think xatalos sonic imcasey is the scum team. Most of the case was based on this being true. If sonic imcasey and killing was a team nothing would have made sense and I doubt I would have lynched sonic. Also when we were lynching kville, it was kville vs xatalos for the most part. One way to know you have a scum is if there is a bandwagon and a counter bandwagon. (notice the way the votes lined up) Now I will talk about xatalos night post. Fact everybody agrees with the game is over either way. First of all I will go with something simple. Why would you bus WeeTee imcasey for so long? Well it was clear he was unstable and the unsafe mafia to keep alive. Sonic was bussing him almost all game as well. Why call it a stupid huge risk? If you ignore the outcome of course it was. There was actually a lot more filter analysis than you think I just had trouble expressing it in my posts. At this stage in the game a connection theory is actually really useful as there are only 5 or so people in it. What I think you are trying to do is make what I say seem a risk and stupid. This way you have a better chance of changing the vote. It wasn’t just your questioning but you were in my original theory. The connection case only worked if you were a connection. Also another thing I notice you seem to be trying to guilt trip and use the idiot method to convince people. Saying stuff like we are going to be facepalming or “we are throwing away player analyse” Just a little thing. Town don’t listen to this listen to logic not critic based on emotions. Killings exceedingly eager jump? No kidding as town he would have leapt at the chance to lynch mafia. If he was mafia he might make a really bad post to counter convince me or leapt on the chance as well. In the light of who flipped killings filter actually doesn’t look like mafia. Yours however... For one you and killing both accused sonic earlier game but you didn’t hang onto it for long. This is what I would expect of a mafia saying “But I accused him!” Remember I am not god. If an elephant walks into the room and points to someone else being scum go for that but it would have to be a super huge elephant. I mean massive backed up with an army of logic that is so amazing you have to agree. In other words due to previous arguments and these things I listed I strongly think we should vote Xatalos. However let logic decide (kush you know what logic is right  )And because I have time waiting for the deadline. If I must leave you I leave you with the hopes and dreams of the people of this great town. I leave you the hope of the future, the guardians of the past and the true and just people of the present. (If I don’t die I might be sorely disappointed) | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
![[image loading]](http://data.whicdn.com/images/6684433/tumblr_lfpmj8cO9c1qa27vxo1_400_thumb.jpg) Day Four JacobStrangelove was minding his own business when he was suddenly assulted by a gang of mafia. Luckily, he was able to put his self-defense skills into action. JacobStrangelove: "That's my purse. I don't know you!" When the dust cleared, only one remained. The final villian. JacobStrangelove as Bobby Hill the vanilla town has been killed. You have 48 hours to vote. | ||
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Hapahauli
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
One more thing: the NK of Jacob doesn't look good for me, but remember, it's what everyone would expect if I actually was Mafia. If the NK had been, for example, kushm4sta or Stutters695, it could have caused a wave of second-guessing and all around uncertainty for KillingTime. This way everything looks neatly like I have to be the final Mafia. Who would benefit from that, me or KillingTime? Please take a look at our filters if nothing else. I just don't have the time to post right now, but hopefully I can make a big case later on. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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KillingTime
France101 Posts
But today there (almost certainly) is one mafia and one town from me and Xatalos. I kind of think you 2 have to make up your own minds about which of us is town - I can post a case against Xatalos if they would like me to, and of course I want to help them any way I can with questions or whatever - but I think Kush & stutter have to direct the thread because it is their decision and I don't want to unnecessarily end up fighting with Xatalos in a way that does not bring clarity/ is not helpfull to them. To me it is as clear as it can be that reading your filter alongside sonic& imcasey's that you are the last scum Xatalos. Hopefully stutters agrees with Kush, Jacob (&me!) | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
yeah its was wifom argument, but it isnt anymore because they aren't 2 unknowns. wifom gets a bad wrap, but I think it becomes more viable as there are less people. | ||
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KillingTime
France101 Posts
 - I am going to check into the thread once more before I go to bed in about 5/6 hours just incase stutters has an earth shattering revalation - otherwise all I am doing ATM is searching for the best reaction gif to post tomorrow incase it turns out that Kush is mafia (which it won't but the idea appeals to my sense of awesome). | ||
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