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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 05 2012 22:10 GMT
#741
On September 05 2012 05:58 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 05:57 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.




The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.

That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway.

check this scummy post from forumite
1) misreads the setup
2) attacks him with a smirk for the claim, which looks scummy as shit
3) takes the visiting thing a step further, saying "if they die" which clears a ton of scum roles... forumite is scum with a role
FoS: Forumite

I don't get this, please explain

Gladly. Forumite is ready to accept the claim if the town does, but he is leaving himself wiggleroom to bus. it is a tell in that he even said "WHY DID YOU DO THIS?" he's mad matt did it. Why would he have reason to be mad if they're not scum together?

The fact you're defending forumite for this by questioning me makes you look bad Shady Sands.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 05 2012 22:11 GMT
#742
On September 05 2012 06:00 Shady Sands wrote:
Quite busy and at work--can someone give me a quick summary of stances on the whole mattchew clusterfuck? (eg who pressured who, and when)

wow, check this, too
this kid is definitely fishing
im going to be voting him tomorrow
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2012 22:11 GMT
#743
Wait. What the hell happened to Shady anyway? He's usually much more involved in the thread as town, and now that Normal Mini III is over, he should have the time to play.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 05 2012 22:12 GMT
#744
On September 06 2012 07:07 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 06:57 Bill Murray wrote:
@Hapa, in relation to your "case" on Ottoxlol -
Who is more likely to be picking fights, mafia, or town? Why?


I think that's a bad way to approach the question, since a lot of it depends on individual playstyle and context as opposed to "likelihood."

Picking fights alone isn't mafia or town - Toadsstern was picking fights early in the game, but that was more to generate discussion in my opinion. In the case of Ottoxlol, he's picking fights, not to generate discussion, but to be generally trolly and avoid pursuing his scumreads.


you're not implying, but outright saying he has scumreads
wouldn't, he as scum, have a scumlist as opposed to scumreads?
Sorry if you consider this semantics
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 05 2012 22:13 GMT
#745
On September 06 2012 07:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Wait. What the hell happened to Shady anyway? He's usually much more involved in the thread as town, and now that Normal Mini III is over, he should have the time to play.

um... why are you parroting me? you're scum on my list again just for this post

Mattchew
ShadySands
Doyouhas
Forumite
Hapahauli
MiltonKram
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 05 2012 22:15 GMT
#746
maybe substitute the latter 2 for BC and/or a lurker(s)... top 2 are like 100% i want to lynch
bottom 4 are more meh
not saying i'm suspicious of BC - this looks like his town game - but he is a good actor.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2012 22:15 GMT
#747
On September 06 2012 07:12 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 07:07 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 06 2012 06:57 Bill Murray wrote:
@Hapa, in relation to your "case" on Ottoxlol -
Who is more likely to be picking fights, mafia, or town? Why?


I think that's a bad way to approach the question, since a lot of it depends on individual playstyle and context as opposed to "likelihood."

Picking fights alone isn't mafia or town - Toadsstern was picking fights early in the game, but that was more to generate discussion in my opinion. In the case of Ottoxlol, he's picking fights, not to generate discussion, but to be generally trolly and avoid pursuing his scumreads.


you're not implying, but outright saying he has scumreads
wouldn't, he as scum, have a scumlist as opposed to scumreads?
Sorry if you consider this semantics


I think it's just semantics. Mafia and Town usually have have "scumreads" - the difference lies in sincerity.

But he does outright have "scumreads" in the thread. He has a little-explained vote on Toadsstern and an FOS on me that he pretty much never pursued and never retracted.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2012 22:17 GMT
#748
On September 06 2012 07:13 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 07:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Wait. What the hell happened to Shady anyway? He's usually much more involved in the thread as town, and now that Normal Mini III is over, he should have the time to play.

um... why are you parroting me? you're scum on my list again just for this post
...


Says the guy who parroted MiltonKram's case on me?

So from that list, you don't see Ottoxlol as suspicious. Why not?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Ottoxlol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
735 Posts
September 05 2012 22:17 GMT
#749
On September 06 2012 07:03 Bill Murray wrote:
Ottox you care to make a top 3 scumread like I have? sorry to say you need vigged, but it'd be better if you would stop posting, or actually.. you know... do some work by reading filters and making logical cases ...wow this looks like coaching. I see... I see... maybe I should ease up on my suspicion of Forumite.

Scum could easily just be playing the lurker game this game, but if that's the case, let 'em sit back while players like BC and Toad get confirmed.


Toad is scum.
Hapahauli confirmed my suspicions by his last post, he's purposely trying to skew the discussion.
I think these two are defending their mates by not letting the Matt discussion go on -> the other 2 possibly are lurkers who voted on Matt with no real content. imallinson Z-BosoN Shady Sands DarthPunk ShiaoPi BlackMamba24 goodkarma all voted Matt after Palmar's announcment and provide little to no reasoning. Bad town or scum can easily be among them
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 05 2012 22:17 GMT
#750
Also, Hapahauli, what is your read on Gravan? Scum or town? I don't want you using the word Null. Pick one. Scum or town? Consider yourself having a Gun to your head.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 05 2012 22:18 GMT
#751
On September 06 2012 07:17 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 07:13 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Wait. What the hell happened to Shady anyway? He's usually much more involved in the thread as town, and now that Normal Mini III is over, he should have the time to play.

um... why are you parroting me? you're scum on my list again just for this post
...


Says the guy who parroted MiltonKram's case on me?

So from that list, you don't see Ottoxlol as suspicious. Why not?

I didn't parrot anything. I said "whoah, that's coaching"
Answer my question.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
September 05 2012 22:18 GMT
#752
On September 06 2012 07:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Austinmcc, what is your read on the Ottoxlol situation? His theories are over the top, right? What does that show about his alignment? Why?
Looking through his profile, I see his only other game was LIII. So he's at least played, although not with me. But he knows that some of the people in this game played that game, he played with them, he knows they are competent individuals with functioning brains.

It's the first time I've ever seen someone cling to something absolutely wrong in this manner. I have posted paranoid rants in two games, stuck by them for a while as possibilities, gotten upset if people wouldn't consider them as possibilities, but I didn't get like this.

Right now (and if Matt flips scum I will be more certain of the read) I can't help but read the whole thing like this:
  • Matt got caught
  • Ottoxlol tried to save him, without realizing how bad an idea it was
  • Ottoxlol shortly realized how bad an idea it was
  • A decent scum player told him right after he got caught looking very odd that he couldn't back off his defense, because then he'd look even scummier
  • So he went full bore nuts, and that's why he won't listen to anyone or anything


It doesn't feel like he's just obtuse. At some point he'd get the message. It feels like he's clinging to this.
Fe fi fo fum.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
September 05 2012 22:19 GMT
#753
Uh, bill, aren't you forgetting someone? For someone who said:

I disagree with your disagreeing. HE NEEDS TO DIE 100%.


You sure quickly forgot him when you were making your little list...
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 05 2012 22:19 GMT
#754
Hapahauli, you're so uninvested emotionally that it makes me feel like you're nervous about something.... like you said... sincerity!
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 05 2012 22:20 GMT
#755
On September 06 2012 07:19 Z-BosoN wrote:
Uh, bill, aren't you forgetting someone? For someone who said:

Show nested quote +
I disagree with your disagreeing. HE NEEDS TO DIE 100%.


You sure quickly forgot him when you were making your little list...

mattchew is on the top of my list to die. you're confused.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 05 2012 22:21 GMT
#756
On September 06 2012 07:18 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 07:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Austinmcc, what is your read on the Ottoxlol situation? His theories are over the top, right? What does that show about his alignment? Why?
Looking through his profile, I see his only other game was LIII. So he's at least played, although not with me. But he knows that some of the people in this game played that game, he played with them, he knows they are competent individuals with functioning brains.

It's the first time I've ever seen someone cling to something absolutely wrong in this manner. I have posted paranoid rants in two games, stuck by them for a while as possibilities, gotten upset if people wouldn't consider them as possibilities, but I didn't get like this.

Right now (and if Matt flips scum I will be more certain of the read) I can't help but read the whole thing like this:
  • Matt got caught
  • Ottoxlol tried to save him, without realizing how bad an idea it was
  • Ottoxlol shortly realized how bad an idea it was
  • A decent scum player told him right after he got caught looking very odd that he couldn't back off his defense, because then he'd look even scummier
  • So he went full bore nuts, and that's why he won't listen to anyone or anything


It doesn't feel like he's just obtuse. At some point he'd get the message. It feels like he's clinging to this.

Do me a favor, and go read Gravan's filter as if he were a scum idiot
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
September 05 2012 22:21 GMT
#757
@austin
Ottoxlol shortly realized how bad an idea it was

No he didn't... he still thinks Toad is scum and still insists that matt is not.
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 05 2012 22:22 GMT
#758
just woke up - don't expect me in the thread much earlier than this unfortunately

ffs, just because claiming miller is a bad move as scum doesn't mean it wouldn't happen. it's a bad move regardless of his role so you can't really justify it better by town or black alignment. there are other factors that others have pointed out, mainly his complete lack of defense and implicit guilt when BC first accused him

stop arguing with ottox because if that doesn't answer the basic question of "why people are voting for him" then he's belligerent, has really high standards or is actually dumb enough to believe no one ever makes misplays
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
September 05 2012 22:23 GMT
#759
On September 06 2012 07:20 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 07:19 Z-BosoN wrote:
Uh, bill, aren't you forgetting someone? For someone who said:

I disagree with your disagreeing. HE NEEDS TO DIE 100%.


You sure quickly forgot him when you were making your little list...

mattchew is on the top of my list to die. you're confused.

No you
That quote was about oxtrot. If you don't remember, or if you misinterpreted it, please read again.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2012 22:23 GMT
#760
On September 06 2012 07:17 Bill Murray wrote:
Also, Hapahauli, what is your read on Gravan? Scum or town? I don't want you using the word Null. Pick one. Scum or town? Consider yourself having a Gun to your head.


Null. Deal with it.

His posts/logic right now could come from either mafia or bad-townie. I don't have enough information to make a decision since hasn't posted much. Fortunately we have 48 hours to make a read on him.
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