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Rewok
40 Posts
We're voting Mattchew today. Pretty much no getting out of that. If he turns up scum, Ottox and a few others could be on the chopping block. If he's town, we've got a whole new set of reads. But it seems to me that our whole strategy hinges on how Mattchew turns up after he's killed. Is there any way we can get another read / another kill set up for D1? One which doesn't hinge on Mattchew's alignment? I'm asking because you guys are way more familiar with the way TL mafia runs. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:47 Ottoxlol wrote: Watcher see 2 ppl over a dead body, one of them claimed noisy. lynch the other, if he flips not red vig/rb the fake noisy Which is the same thing that would happen if he was a blue fakeclaiming nosy isn't it? Unless he has a visiting role there's no reason to claim nosy neighbor like that and your scenario still applies. No one is denying that what he did was stupid but I've seen scum do much dumber things than this | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:38 Gravan wrote: First, the straightforward part. It seems to me that Matt is most likely an assassin, or a very careless player. As many have said before me, there is no case for him to do what he did from a town perspective. To me, it seems that if he were mafia or town, we would likely have seen at least some kind of attempt at an explanation - either to strengthen his fellow mafia by giving them 'towncred' as they jump on his bandwagon or to try to convince us we are making a mistake as a town blue. As an assassin, he could just be seeing his end and giving up - this is of course moot if he decides to put in his piece later. Since he is apparently not a random newbie (who is a random newb, anyway  ?), and clearly likes to be an active player, it shouts assasinto me. Since it is day 1 and we only have so much information, we essentially have to lynch him anyway (even if we were nearly certain he is an assassin. At this time, I'll be throwing my vote his way. The post where I make my comments on the information currently present (as in, not to do with the matt bandwagon) is coming up later. I just wanted to put down somehing somewhat solid so thanI can start to develop a post hostory, watery as it might be. If you want to make a post history that isn't full of "filler" posts you need to post content. You just rehashed what others have said before. As an assassin hes dead, as scum hes dead. If he was town he would be fighting tooth and nail in some way to get his ass out of this mess, or at least rectify the mistake he made. If he flips town I can honestly say the level of rage all of us will have will be insane. As such I firmly believe he will only flip mafia/assassin with a far higher likelyhood of scum. Why? Because if he was an assassin he still wouldn't claim Nosy Neighbor. It makes no sense to. He is immune to night hits, and until he finds an assassin he would never shoot. In event he is outed as someone he checked dies? Fucking claim his role. He then outs his checks of who isn't third party and voila. Third party has no need to fake claim ever. It only makes sense for a mafia to claim the role. Near no one thought to clarify on the setup and would have been convinced neighbors were self aware and caused mass issues for us later. You much like the other person I just responded two both just made very badly timed posts to my senses as they both said near nothing helpful. | ||
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Rewok
40 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:48 Rewok wrote: Been keeping up my reading. Here's how the situation seems to me: We're voting Mattchew today. Pretty much no getting out of that. If he turns up scum, Ottox and a few others could be on the chopping block. If he's town, we've got a whole new set of reads. But it seems to me that our whole strategy hinges on how Mattchew turns up after he's killed. Is there any way we can get another read / another kill set up for D1? One which doesn't hinge on Mattchew's alignment? I'm asking because you guys are way more familiar with the way TL mafia runs. So you're supporting the Mattchew lynch then? Didn't you just say he was a likely assassin/bad-blue? | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
GoodKarma is scum for this reason - he says that mattchew is confirmed scum but then doesn't vote for him and tries to push suspicion onto me instead, appeals to BC (buddying up to a vet, classic newbie scum) basically the same as treehugger or whoever in tl mafia xxx who says "yeah youngminii is scum for sure but im not gonna vote for him and instead make a case on this random dude" | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:50 Rewok wrote: EBWOP: We obv don't want to start roleclaiming, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to give our potential vigilante a target for today / tonight. Any ideas? A few targets have been called out already in the last 5 or so pages. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:48 Rewok wrote: Been keeping up my reading. Here's how the situation seems to me: We're voting Mattchew today. Pretty much no getting out of that. If he turns up scum, Ottox and a few others could be on the chopping block. If he's town, we've got a whole new set of reads. But it seems to me that our whole strategy hinges on how Mattchew turns up after he's killed. Is there any way we can get another read / another kill set up for D1? One which doesn't hinge on Mattchew's alignment? I'm asking because you guys are way more familiar with the way TL mafia runs. Did you just ask us to figure out a different lynch target because you just asked us to get a new one and this seems fishy as fuck. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:51 BlackMamba24 wrote: GoodKarma - are you going to vote for mattchew right now? GoodKarma is scum for this reason - he says that mattchew is confirmed scum but then doesn't vote for him and tries to push suspicion onto me instead, appeals to BC (buddying up to a vet, classic newbie scum) basically the same as treehugger or whoever in tl mafia xxx who says "yeah youngminii is scum for sure but im not gonna vote for him and instead make a case on this random dude" The strange thing is that he buddied up to me and not to BC. Hell it's pretty clear from his post that he didn't read the thread, given his stances on Grush and lvdr. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:50 Rewok wrote: EBWOP: We obv don't want to start roleclaiming, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to give our potential vigilante a target for today / tonight. Any ideas? I am pretty sure that we have plenty of people who are good targets. Hell we have tons of people analyzing or finger pointing at eachother who all in some way link back to our central lynch target. A ton of people are going to look good or bad after this lynch. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
So where's the vote. You put an FoS on me which says you're unsure enough that you're too scared to vote. So if you are basically 100% on Mattchew, there is zero reason for you as town to have not voted for him already. There aren't any town motivations whatsoever for this post. You could have at least weighed in on the arguments surrounding Toadesstern/Hapahauli. If mattchew is 100% scum you don't FoS the guy defending him? Sorry, no matter how you look at it there isn't any town reasoning behind this post. Even if Mattchew flips bluer than the sky it doesn't absolve you because I don't ever see a townie posting "yeah this guy is 100% scum but instead of voting for him check out my weak ass FoS on this other guy based on some posts at the beginning of the game from which I was mysteriously absent and didn't apparently notice it when it happened" | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote: The strange thing is that he buddied up to me and not to BC. Hell it's pretty clear from his post that he didn't read the thread, given his stances on Grush and lvdr. and ignoring ottox by buddying to BC I mean he's taking his side in a sense post comes off as totally constructed and edited like BC said, this dude is scum | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote: The strange thing is that he buddied up to me and not to BC. Hell it's pretty clear from his post that he didn't read the thread, given his stances on Grush and lvdr. Good Karma is the same person who said earlier that I was a lurker and called drH out for his vote on me (luls it was actually a valid vote at the time) then after a few posts said I wasn't a 1 line post semi lurker. He obviously doesn't know who the players are in this game who have been around awhile. Nor does he appear to read the thread at all. It just shows a level of just general uncaring while appearing active. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=16#319 Yeah he's mafia. | ||
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Rewok
40 Posts
Plus, he spreads a fair amount of dissent - I see his names in multiple filters. He'd be my reco for D1 / N1. But if someone has a better reason for someone else, we should talk about this. Think about it: if we get two kills day one (two GOOD kills) we're looking at a huge advantage. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:55 BlackMamba24 wrote: and ignoring ottox by buddying to BC I mean he's taking his side in a sense post comes off as totally constructed and edited like BC said, this dude is scum Also if he had time to make his post, you think he would stick around at least for 30ish minutes and see what was going on / keep posting to avoid being one of those semi lurkers like he called out a bunch of people for. Instead he just seems to have jet. If he starts responding in the next few minutes I will be less annoyed or suspicious of him but seriously, if he doesn't have a damn good reason for not voting like a giant block of text post responding to a ton of us, guy has got to follow mattchew to the gallows. | ||
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:48 BlackMamba24 wrote: Which is the same thing that would happen if he was a blue fakeclaiming nosy isn't it? Unless he has a visiting role there's no reason to claim nosy neighbor like that and your scenario still applies. No one is denying that what he did was stupid but I've seen scum do much dumber things than this So we agree it was dumb. Now tell me how come everyone thinks it is a dumb scum play, not a dumb assa or blue? Don't forget he asked the other millers to claim. That can work as assassin for instance. Or baiting a scum RB to claim? IDK. All I know it gave scum a very easy D1, some ppl attacking others for defending Matt, but ignoring me. What is that about? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:58 Rewok wrote: Sorry guys, basically meant this: Instead of just bringing up targets in passing, let's actually focus on it. Like, what's our priority here? My fav scum read right now is Ottox because of how hard he fought for Mattchew, even after the proof was up. Plus, he spreads a fair amount of dissent - I see his names in multiple filters. He'd be my reco for D1 / N1. But if someone has a better reason for someone else, we should talk about this. Think about it: if we get two kills day one (two GOOD kills) we're looking at a huge advantage. So do you think Mattchew is scum then? Why the sudden change in heart? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:58 Rewok wrote: Sorry guys, basically meant this: Instead of just bringing up targets in passing, let's actually focus on it. Like, what's our priority here? My fav scum read right now is Ottox because of how hard he fought for Mattchew, even after the proof was up. Plus, he spreads a fair amount of dissent - I see his names in multiple filters. He'd be my reco for D1 / N1. But if someone has a better reason for someone else, we should talk about this. Think about it: if we get two kills day one (two GOOD kills) we're looking at a huge advantage. If we snag one red in d1 lynch we are looking realllllly good. If vigi's shoot accurately we will be insanely good. Right now we have found someone I would say is good for a lynch / vig shot. However. I dislike trying to organize a blue vig shot at this moment in time. Why? Because as people discuss it and get into the heat of it it can out our blues. People who have roles post in such manners you can get an idea of their role or if they have one. I would like to avoid giving mafia free blue shots N1. | ||
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