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On August 23 2012 23:45 Dandel Ion wrote: Oh if that's the case, then it's okay.. My next scumread is ghost. Clearly a scumslip Pointing fingers everywhere and causing chaos. ## Vote Dandel Ion | ||
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Reasoning? I don't want to give scum the "second mover" advantage where they can just park outside the thread and then push depending on which way the wind is blowing. If scum lurk outside the thread and then come in late, I want them to pay for it by being forced to dump a read right from the get go without being able to test the waters beforehand. | ||
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On August 24 2012 08:54 Lvdr wrote: Having learned from hapa, I think mafia tend to be pretty lurky in newbie games. Therefore, d1 lurker lynch is a great policy. However, this should not be a reason to not be scum hunting: scum hunting is vital, and forcing reads early is how town can catch mafia later in the game. I'm confused here: you seem to be implying that D1 lurker lynch and scumhunting are mutually exclusive. How? | ||
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On August 24 2012 06:30 mkfuba07 wrote: Hi everyone! I'm going to second everything that thrawn has said, as well as mention that this goes for night as well as day. As long as we keep the scumhunting going during the day, I think the conversation will carry over into night as well. Let's just make sure we keep it up! :S I don't get what you're trying to say here. If you believe the scumhunting convo will carry automatically from day to night, then why do you need to encourage activity specifically during the night as well? | ||
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On August 24 2012 09:03 Lvdr wrote: Shady this is like the third game I've played with you in the last few days. If you don't know my lurker policy you must be thick as a brick. Policy: LYNCH LURKERS. Hopefully there are no lurkers and we can vote scumreads. Fair enough, just wanted to get a clarification off you. | ||
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On August 24 2012 09:25 Lvdr wrote: Wait has everyone posted already? I think so. Right now I'm concerned about Kush. His post at the very best is completely useless to town. | ||
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On August 24 2012 09:33 kushm4sta wrote: So everyone wants to lynch me because I didn't share my thoughts about if lurkers are really bad or just kind of bad? Everyone's posts so far have been useless IMO. I have a lot of free time so yeah I will read this thread pretty much constantly and carefully. And as soon as I suspect someone or have something to say I will say it. But at this point it's impossible to know anything about anyone so dont point fingers at me because Im new. No worries, all of us here were once new (or are new). What I meant there was that when you post something which is basically "I have nothing to say" Then that doesn't help out the town, because the town doesn't get a read on your opinion, one way or another. Even on small things like lurker lynching, that's important, because every opinion is another piece of evidence for town to better determine whether or not you're guilty. | ||
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On August 24 2012 09:34 thrawn2112 wrote: If it comes down to voting for a strong scumread and one of several lurkers, I'd rather go with the scumread. Being too focused on lurkers caused me to play poorly in my last game. If I make a strong case against a player I am definitely going to vote for them. Excluding that, lynching a lurker is the backup plan. FWIW I think what happened last game was that you got me lynched when I rolled town, in spite of me being the most active D1 poster by far, so I'm not sure how you could say that your focus on lurkers caused you to play poorly in the last game. | ||
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On August 24 2012 09:54 thrawn2112 wrote: you know... my whole obsession with archrun and the vig shot on him N1 thing Ah, I wasn't around for that.... being dead, thanks to you. j/k I tunneled you just as hard that game, no hard feelings. | ||
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On August 24 2012 10:02 thrawn2112 wrote: By that you mean examining and questioning everything he possibly can? I gotta agree with that. Well someone has to do it. The last game's attempt to spark activity (mass posting filters) turned out to be a waste of time. | ||
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On August 24 2012 06:30 mkfuba07 wrote: Hi everyone! I'm going to second everything that thrawn has said, as well as mention that this goes for night as well as day. As long as we keep the scumhunting going during the day, I think the conversation will carry over into night as well. Let's just make sure we keep it up! So MkFuba was fairly active before the game started, then posts as soon as the game starts... then is silent when everyone is actually making cases--in spite of arguing for the benefits of active scumhunting. His behavior thus far doesn't line up with what he's been arguing for. Also, he's pushing for active night posting, which is kind of strange from a townie perspective. Townies usually don't think about day/night cycles in terms of activity. And finally, his meta lines up with how he played when he rolled scum with me in the first half of XXIII, so, for now: FoS mkfuba07 Reviewing the other cases posted, will add my reads on them after I get some work done. | ||
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On August 24 2012 11:45 kushm4sta wrote: Wow you sounded really smart about lvdr he seems fishy how he constantly shifts the focus to those he knows aren't mafia. And he does it in a very non constructive way. However you suspect me for some reason which is just wrong. If I were mafia I would be super nice and would not be aggressive or defensive in any way actually. It's because im town that I'm not afraid to act like this because I have nothing to hide. Basically I think you are mistaking "bad play" for guilt. Lvdr is 85 percent mafia in my mind though. We should lynch him. You can't apply what you would do if you yourself rolled scum to other scum behavior, except in a set of very limited circumstances (e.g. scum will usually never bus their scumbuddy on D1, barring an imminent townie-led lynch on their scumbuddy.) Why do you think Lvdr is scum? | ||
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On August 24 2012 15:00 Alsn wrote: I'd just like to state the fact that among the people that have been active so far, every single one has pointed out that kushm4sta's posting quality has not been particularly stellar or helpful from town's point of view, it has sparked a lot of conversation, I also feel that we have all conveyed our feelings that in order for his posting to help town, he needs to start putting a lot more thought into his arguments. That being said, while there has been some analysis of other posters, I would love it if we could stop focusing on kushm4sta for now. This in order to make sure people who hasn't contributed much yet are grilled about it, and that we make sure there is more than a single person being attacked. I noticed that Shady Sands also completely dodged the accusations by Spaghetticus after a post claiming he had to get some work done but has been very busy on TL for the last 2,5 hours. So, in conclusion, please stop the tunnelvisioning on kushm4sta for now and let's see if we can't find something else to talk about for a while too. After all, there's a lot of time left before lynch. That was the work I was talking about. Got the email with a request to do some on the ground research about it =) | ||
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On August 24 2012 12:34 Spaghetticus wrote: ... I do however, disagree with Lvdr's assessment of Shady Sands. He has been very critical so far, but nothing he has said comes to mind as particularly proactive (I'll eat my word if he can give me a counter-example). In particular, his critique of Lvdr's comment: filter On August 24 2012 08:54 Lvdr wrote: He said: This seems like empty criticism, as he almost seems to deliberately misinterpret the statement in order to give himself something to say. If Lvdr thinks we should lynch lurkers, but not give up actively scumhunting in order to do this, then it does not at all seem that he is suggesting these two things are mutually exclusive. Yet this is what Shady seems to suggest. Furthermore, Lvdr has played with Shady before, and claims that Shady should by now have an idea of Lvdr's policy preference. Soon afterwards, he had the following criticism of Fubu's post: On August 24 2012 06:30 mkfuba07 wrote: He wrote: This is an accurate criticism, but not particularly useful. IMO (and fubu feel free to step in and correct me) Fubu's post was poorly written and he mistakenly made his both a descriptive and prescriptive assertion: that we will all look for scum during the day and the night and that we should all look for scum in the day and the night. If my interpretation is correct, then this is a completely understandable mistake and speaks extremely little of some scummy motivation he may or may not have. So far I have shown you two examples of what I believe are needlessly critical posts, that is: posts that are needlessly skeptical of things that will not help us catch scum. Now, as WeeTe has already mentioned, posting lots is generally attributed to town behaviour. However, posting lots of unproductive criticism seems like the sort of thing a scum would do to look like town but not contribute to the lynching of scum. FoS Shady Sands I would like to note that I am the first person to my knowledge that is acting against Shady, and IMO I am the first person to put up a decent reason to actually suspect anyone. I'm gonna get back to study, and I'll likely be unable to post for the next 11 hours, at which point I'll go through a read and post before heading to bed. On accusing Lvdr: I saw a policy disagreement developing in the thread--between leaning towards lurker lynching versus scumhunting--and I wanted to make sure Lvdr wasn't trying to unfairly equivocate on it. basically, in questions of policy, if someone posts on it, the post should have a clear preference one way or another so that we can judge their later play against their policy prefs--or combine them in such a way to have a clear lean in terms of policy, again, so we can judge their later play against their earlier view on policy. Lvdr's post didn't do that--it just balanced between the two while also saying they were different. I personally feel the two should be balanced but combined, so I wanted to see if Lvdr wanted to keep the two parts separate. On Fuba: most of my doubts on Fuba have gone away by now, but at the time, I thought that Fuba's emphasis on night activity itself is scummy. Scum have greater power to use and abuse the thread than town does at night, so encouraging heavy activity at night without saying daytime activity is more important hands an edge to scum. But given that was his first post I didn't want to push him too hard on it. Now, moving to Kush: Kush is running the classic "bad townie" defense. It's an argument where the poster says: 1) I am a bad townie 2) People are just targeting me because I'm a bad townie, and hence easy to lynch 3) Those people must be targeting me because I'm easy, and not because they actually think I'm scum 4) Because those people aren't targeting me because I'm scum, then they must be trying to trick town 5) They must be scum. This is a really bad defense because every links 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4 are all not 100% airtight. Hence Kush's entire defense, to me, is a wash--it neither makes him look scummier, nor makes him look like more of a townie. If Kush keeps posting like this, though, then I'm probably going to vote him because my initial read will be unchanged. But if Kush decides to start posting coherent, long cases backed by logic instead of OMGUS, then I might change my mind. | ||
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On August 24 2012 15:27 Alsn wrote: I do not mean that my suspicion against kush has gone away, I am still not satisfied with his defense against my concerns about his posting. What I mean is that it is harmful for town if we keep arguing back and forth about kush and do not discuss anyone else. This because if it turns out that noone else is scummy, and we lynch him and he turns out to be town and just wasnt defending himself very well, we will be back at square one, except with 5 town against 2 scum(scum will undoubtely kill a townie during night 1). If at that point the only thing we have done is attack someone that had a hard time defending himself, we would have almost no usable information at all to try and find out who is scum and who isnt. Thus, I just want us to all agree that kush needs to get his act together but that we need to start talking about something/someone else too. This is quite true. Kush sucks up more town energy than he provides. He'd be an ideal target for a vigi shot but not one town should waste time trying to lynch over and above all other lynch candidates. | ||
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On August 24 2012 15:41 Dandel Ion wrote: There are no Vigis though? According to OP, it's just cop + JK that are possible. Oh :S my bad then. I'm going to say we should just do one of two things: 1) We collectively decide he's town and ignore him as a major target for the remainder of D1, move the discussion onto other folks 2) We lynch him first and get him out of the way Let's figure this out fast, before we use up the rest of D1 just talking about him. | ||
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1) Lvdr He goes into the thread, asks questions to generate discussion, accuses someone of fluff, and then leaves after FoSing the fluffy poster (mkfuba) and the obvious lynch (kush). This behavior is inconsistent: why push so hard for scumhunting and activity, but then disappear (and leave himself plenty of outs) once the shooting starts? Answer: because, if he is scum, this is exactly what he wants to do: stir up discussion, and then be the second or third person to hop on a mislynch wagon. On top of that, I know what he's capable of in terms of scumhunting and making votes based on reasoned cases. So far, he hasn't lived up to that. Because of both reasons, FoS Lvdr 2) Kush His JK claim doesn't add up. There's no breadcrumb involved at all. There are now two possibilities: a) He's JK and he honestly is scared that town is going to mislynch him. In this case, why claim so quickly, instead of dropping a breadcrumb with that post and then claiming later? b) He's scum who knows he's going to get lynched anyhow, and is trying to bait the real JK into counter-claiming to at least take down a blue with him. As far as I'm concerned, option b) is more likely, so If you are the real JK please do not counter-claim. We had a similar blatant fakeclaim in XXII, and there the real doctor didn't counter-claim and eventually used the fakeclaim to figure out the other 2 scum. Furthermore, in addition to the likely fakeclaim, Kush hasn't used his posts to make a single case against anyone, in spite of people repeatedly asking him to do that. That's icing on the cake. ## Vote KushM4sta | ||
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On August 25 2012 01:43 mkfuba07 wrote: I'll be honest here and say that I'm actually inclined to believe kush. His play has been consistently bad, while I feel a newbie scum would have been far more variant. He would also have another person to discuss his play with, instead of having to hear from us how poorly he's been playing. He seems more 'alone' than a scum would be, if that makes sense. @kush If you are town, stop the current path you're going down. You've crossed over from overly-defensive into anti-town defensive play. If you're town, PM marv and get some help. I'm not voting for you yet, and I bet others aren't going to vote for you just yet either. You can pull yourself out of this hole you've dug, but you need to change your methods. Ask marv about any of the things you've done that we've jumped down your throat for and find out why we reacted that way. What's your top scumread then? | ||
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On August 25 2012 02:05 Dandel Ion wrote: That actually is a decent point. But I'm not so sure that him being "alone" is necessarily a town tell either, the way his case was going for the most part whould most likely discourage scum-partners to defend him too much - it's even more probable that he is subtly bussing him, rather than defending. But this is all pretty WIFOM. As it stands, your point, while a good one, looks like a straight-up null-tell to me. But I understand if you see it as a town-tell.. I also think that kush was playing "bad town" rather than scum for the most part. But I will reserve judgement on him, no matter which way, until he explains why he was claiming JK there. I really don't get it, and as I said, it's not very believable imo. First off, reserving judgment on Kush is bad. Lengthening the amount of time we talk about Kush is going to shorten the amount of time we have to talk about more substantial cases like Lvdr. Furthermore, I don't get why on one hand you understand how mkfuba can see the claim as a town-tell but on the other hand act completely confused about kush. | ||
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On August 25 2012 02:06 thrawn2112 wrote: For now I'm going to ignore the jailkeeper claim, because it fits the idea of you being town and pissed that everyone is jumping all over you and you don't know what to do and are claiming JK from desperation. It also fits your agenda if you are mafia and trying to scare people into not voting for you. Shady thinks that the 2nd option is more likely I don't have a reason to believe one or the other. You're gonna have to show that you're town by giving some reads with well explained thought processes. So on that point, who do you think is scum and why? Shady, you put an FOS on lvdr so that topic's gonna be my next post. Also WeeTee, I asked you for your read on lvdr because I think it's relevant to your post about Alsn. This is the 4th time I've asked you for that read and you've posted in the thread 4 times since I originally asked for it. Can you please provide it? How can you ignore the JK claim? Either way, it's a play of some sort, and the most significant thing to happen in the thread so far. Also, I don't get why you still want to offer Kush an out in terms of having him build cases. We asked him to build cases pages and pages ago, and he didn't. Why would he start now when his towncred is even lower? | ||
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On August 25 2012 02:26 thrawn2112 wrote: You would rather the town ignore kush and instead talk about lvdr yet you voted for kush and put a FOS on lvdr? Could you clarify what you meant by "more substantial?" And yeah I'm still looking at your case against lvdr, going through his filter now. I'll reiterate: I don't believe the JK claim. That's why I voted Kush. If you don't believe the claim, then you should pretty much auto-vote him. But that doesn't mean I think there's more to talk about with Kush than there is with Lvdr. Does that make sense? | ||
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On August 25 2012 02:37 thrawn2112 wrote: Yeah it is the most interesting thing said so far but I it matches both positions taken against him in this thread. You yourself pointed out the town/scum reasons for him to claim JK but I disagree that the JK claim is more likely to be either a town/scum motivation. Of course a scum player might fake roleclaim but some people including myself can see it as him just playing poorly. I'm ignoring it for now because it doesn't tip me off in any direction more than the other. Are you really saying that we shouldn't allow him the opportunity to make cases? The best thing an accused player could do is to show that they are scumhunting. Sorry, I was just a little peeved that we offered Kush two chances to shape up his posting and he hasn't taken either of them. | ||
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On August 25 2012 02:53 mkfuba07 wrote: EBWOP: Add to the end "Until I see that, I'm not commenting on kush anymore." Duly noted. | ||
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On August 25 2012 04:21 Lvdr wrote: Everyone has to sleep you know. I can't patrol the thread 24/7. That being said, I have some reads to provide: @Kush I think the JK claim sounds very honest to me and it fits perfectly with the bad-townie' vibe. These are only a few selections from kush's filter. Overall it reads as someone who hasn't played this style of mafia before. The suspicion of leadership is understandable, but poor play. The JK claim falls in to the same category: understandable based on the clear desperation in kush's posting, but fundamentally the bad play of a newbie that is struggling. Therefore: 1. I don't think Kush should be a D1 lynch target. 2. Kush is not a confirmed townie and should still be 'watched'. @shady My initial 'town call' on shady was mostly in order to stimulate discussion. Yes, he did match his meta for the most part, but it was extremely early to decide that someone was already town. At this point I am pretty suspicious that he decided kush's JK claim is scummy enough to insta-vote him. Seems like textbook play from a mafia jumping on the mistakes of a newbie. ##FOS Shady What happened to your other FoS suspects? | ||
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On August 25 2012 04:41 Lvdr wrote: @shady My initial 'town call' on shady was mostly in order to stimulate discussion. Yes, he did match his meta for the most part, but it was extremely early to decide that someone was already town. At this point I am pretty suspicious that he decided kush's JK claim is scummy enough to insta-vote him. Seems like textbook play from a mafia jumping on the mistakes of a newbie. please read. Wait a second. You do a town call on me, knowing full well it's early for a town call, just so you can trap people later, then when no one falls for your trap you turn around and FoS me? This makes a lot of sense. Not. | ||
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On August 25 2012 04:50 kushm4sta wrote: So basically you started accusing lvdr after he began to accuse you. I see this as you just trying to save yourself and again turn the focus on others. Tell me who to save and I will do it to prove that I am jk. Actually, my FoS on Lvdr came hours before Lvdr launched his FoS on me. By your logic, Lvdr should be the one guilty of turning the focus to others. And your jk save point is moot if scum don't even hit the person you profess to save. And that's assuming you are JK, which at this point I don't think so. | ||
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Brief recap for you guys if you're just coming into the thread/just waking up: 1) Kush roleclaimed jailkeeper 2) Dandel disbelieved JK roleclaim and accused Kush 3) I didn't believe the roleclaim and voted Kush; also built case/FoS'd Lvdr 4) Lvdr drew a null read on Kush and FoS'd me for voting Kush 5) Mkfuba followed up on Lvdr and said null tell on Kush 6) Dandel said null tell on Kush 7) Thrawn followed up on Lvdr and said null tell on Kush 8) Dandel followed up on Lvdr and FoS'd him | ||
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On August 25 2012 08:36 Alsn wrote: So, right now I get the feeling that the feud between Shady and Lvdr is what is most likely to yield fruitful results, seeing as kush has been told several times over about what the situation is and what he should be doing. With that in mind, I feel I must take Lvdr's side in this. I had had a long running suspicion against Lvdr since before I went to bed and was planning on making a case against him when I woke up, this was mostly because of his general lack of content in his posts. Upon closer inspection of his filter however, while he has a lot of very short posts, to me they all seem to lead in the proper direction, often mirroring my own thoughts on the matter. Not so with Shady, the last thing he wrote of substance before I went to bed was the following:+ Show Spoiler + On August 24 2012 15:43 Shady Sands wrote:Oh :S my bad then. I'm going to say we should just do one of two things: 1) We collectively decide he's town and ignore him as a major target for the remainder of D1, move the discussion onto other folks 2) We lynch him first and get him out of the way Let's figure this out fast, before we use up the rest of D1 just talking about him. At first, I thought this was a sound argument, but upon closer inspection I get the feeling that he just wanted to be able to later on get a wagon going against kush and I'll explain why. The first option of ignoring him completely just seems too extreme. Why is this the only other option? This sounds to me as if he is trying to force everyone to conclude that only the second option is worthwhile. Also, this statement is similar to other statements made by myself and others(Shady included) earlier in the thread that we should focus on other people instead of tunneling kush, but with a subtle difference. It suggests to ignore him completely! Then he tries to stress us into making a decision fast. The argument can be made for stressing the point being a town motivated idea to spur on conversation and getting out hopeful scumslips, but he completely abandons the idea later when it does not take hold. Later on he accuses Lvdr and puts a FoS on him. That was something that I was in full agreement with before I went to bed but as the thread continued on, I no longer agree. Lvdr having a town agenda makes sense to me from the posts he has made. Letting up on kush when we all agree that it's not leading anywhere could be seen as a scum move due to everyone already having come to the same conclusion, but on the other hand doubling down on kush makes very little sense to me. The issue of the roleclaim is something I want kush to defend himself against, but until such a thing happens and we get closer to having to come to a consensus(I'll be awake from now until lynch time), I don't think kush is someone we should be focusing too much on. He absolutely must start partaking in dicussion without knee-jerk responses though! Because of this, I'm changing my read on kushm4sta to a null read, while declaring a: FoS Shady Sands This is all with the caveat that I cannot deny Shady's last point about wanting input from Weetee, myself and Spaghetticus, and I'm not entirely happy with kush's, mkfuba's and Dandel Ion's contributions so far either. You FoS'd me early D1 too. No need to FoS me again. Again, my PoV on Kush is that 1) His post quality is so poor that spending an excessive amount of time analyzing he's guilty or not will be counterproductive. 2) His roleclaim does not sound like a confused townie to me--it sounds like a scum looking to bait a counter-claim. 3) We shouldn't necessarily give him the benefit of the doubt just because he sounds like a bad townie. Hence those 3 points combined = lynch. As for Lvdr, my view of him has gotten much scummier since my last FoS. Reasons in the next post. | ||
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On August 25 2012 04:42 Lvdr wrote: Remember FOS is a tool in order to stimulate discussion. My earlier FOS were largely manufactured because of lack of evidence. Right now our focus needs to be widespread so that we dont have a situation where, for example kush gets tunneled hard and we have no evidence on anyone else. I'm going to start with this post by Lvdr as to why we should lynch him after we lynch Kush. Lvdr is saying that he did a town read on me and FoS'd mkfuba to "spark discussion". He didn't actually mean it--or at least, he didn't mean it as strongly as he made the town think. Basically, he lied. One thing that I feel even more strongly about than lynching lurkers is lynching liars. That's strike one against Lvdr here. Strike two-- He dumps accusations everywhere. On me, on mkfuba, on kush--and then lifts them as quickly as he dumps them. Pointing fingers everywhere on minimal evidence is usually a scumtell. Scum want to make town spend more time defending itself than hunting scum. Strike three-- This is what I don't get from Lvdr. He accuses mkfuba and kush weakly, leaves the thread, then comes back and calls townie on them, saying that his earlier reads were to Why is this wierd? Because any player who was basing his reads off evidence would follow up on the FoS, see that mkfuba hasn't done anything that screams pro-town. And I'm still not sure how Lvdr could just wholly dismiss his earlier FoS on kush on any reasonable basis when the only evidence Kush has provided is an extremely weak JK claim. Basically, when you look at how rapidly Lvdr shifts his accusations around, it almost looks like he's playing with prior knowledge of who is town. This is the clearest and biggest scumtell in the book. Even if you buy that on Kush, how could he just dump the FoS he's given with the weak excuse that he was trying to spark discussion, without even discussing what happened to his targets that made him drop the FoS? Because of the three arguments above, I'm going to levy a strong FoS Lvdr. If it's clear Kush won't be getting lynched today, I'd also be fine with a lynch on Lvdr as well. | ||
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On August 25 2012 12:32 Alsn wrote: I would just like to point out that this statement is incorrect. The only suspicion I have directed your way earlier than my FoS just a few hours ago was agreeing that Spaghetticus' arguments against you had some merit, but that I didn't find them enough to suspect you of anything sinister. Lots of information posted in a very short interval now, will read and see if I have anything to comment on. Sorry, I messed up there. | ||
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On August 25 2012 13:16 WeeTee wrote: Alrighty. I am always busy and think the content you guys put up is (sometimes)utter crapola. Im glad that iv been called out so that I can comment. I have no reads on anyone at the moment and am happy for any outcome of the first day to happen. I have trouble articulating what I want to say so I might be brash enough to put my #FoS on thrawn, because he just never ever places a FoS and is always non committal. I know I make a target of myself for being clumsy but for me to participate and get better i'm going to have to ignore the criticism I get and just put it out there. Continuing on with my FoS its clear that thrawn is so active, probably overactive in the sense. I have a case that chugging the bandwagon against me is a well timed push, experienced even. Building a case on me in my absence based on the fact that I am absent is not convincing enough to suspect me, if it was then a FoS is surely sufficent. Yet I recieved a vote from thrawn. Just over the top imo. I urge you all to read thrawns filter and see how passive his playstyle is. And then make up your minds. So... you are FoSing Thrawn because he doesn't FoS anyone else and is therefore noncommital? But he just voted you. | ||
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FoS Weetee His above response was nearly as bad as Kush's. If he doesn't pull a really good defense or an absolutely rock solid case by the time I wake up, I'm fine with a lynch on him. | ||
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On August 26 2012 05:00 thrawn2112 wrote: Yeah i'm kinda irritated at shady, he was super active then goes afk from the thread. I had an 1130 tee time cut me some slack, okay? I was actually lurking the thread in the morning, but Spag said he had a case on me so I wanted to see what his case was before posting. Didn't want a repeat of XXIV. | ||
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Looking through his filter all he's done in the past 12 hours is hijack the thread, point a bunch of fingers everywhere, and try to bully town into voting his read. Look at the following posts: On August 26 2012 01:22 Lvdr wrote: @Dandel I see what you mean about carrying the argument, I will attempt to table it for now... I find it hard to separate Shady being overly aggressive from Shady being scummy. I would put him on the 'don't-lynch-D1-but-watch-for-future-scummyness' list. For d1 lynch I direct the towns attention to this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=13#253 To have no reads at this point is completely absurd. Also incredibly anti-town. Reeks of mafia playing too safe. Suspecting thrawn for being 'passive' is equally absurd. Thrawn has been active and productive. Not 100% confirmed town, but prolly the closest we have right now. Add in this comedy of a follow-up: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=13#259 Can I just say the entire post sucks? WeeTee says he has no reads and then comes at thrawn with You have refused to make a case and then OMGUS'ed someone for actually making a case against you. This is not even an argument, just an emotional appeal. ##vote: WeeTee On August 26 2012 01:37 Lvdr wrote: @mkfuba My explanation of town/scum reads on shady 1. First town read maybe 35% confidence. Partially motivated by an actual read (that was early and incomplete), but much more in order to stimulate discussion. Not really a brillient play because many players are new and couldn't comment on metas, but I was trying. 2. Given that it was early, I basically reserve the right to change my mind. Townies cannot be afraid to share reads because if they change their minds, suddenly they're scummy. 3. I think Dandel may have a point about bringing arguments in from other games. Both me and Shady are in Normal III, and we suspect each other there too Hard to keep an impartial mind because I see many similar charactaristics across the games. For what its worth I think he's either town in both games or mafia in both games. 4. I would argue my FOS has been useful to town, there has been a good amount of discussion and I have been active in that. For example when I FOS'ed you, you hadn't posted much in the way of content -- now I would say you are active in scum hunting and so the FOS was successful. On August 26 2012 02:42 Lvdr wrote: Since its getting down to the deadline I want to reveal my plan for d1 deadline: I think we should lynch Dandel Ion Dandel Ion is one of the most experienced players in this game, yet he has also been one of the most lurky. He has offered almost nothing but filler posts to appear active while doing basically no scumhunting. He is much too experienced to be as passive as he has been. The only time he has offered a FOS it has been to lightly suspect me, at a time when it was EXTREMELY safe to do so. Read through his filter: it SCREAMS mafia lurking through D1. He offers just enough content to register as active without really contributing anything to town. I am still suspicious of WeeTee, but I stand by my statement that lynching active but contriversial players D1 typically leads to mislynches. WeeTee could still be bad-townie or desperate-newb mafia, but I do not think he is the best D1 lynch target. Finally, whatever happens town cannot allow there to be a no-lynch. Therefore I implore all townies to ##Vote:Dandel Ion First off, he says that we should go after Weetee for scummy posting and OMGUSing left and right. Then he says we shouldn't go for me, who was previously his #1 lynch target and the player he was tunneling for thirty straight hours and even faked a town read on. Then he says we should go for Dandel Ion, a player who he has barely mentioned in any of his prior posts. What is Lvdr doing? He's scattering his reads about so aggressively prior to the lynch deadline in hopes he catch a townie away from the thread to secure a mislynch. Note that whenever someone responds to him he backs away from the claim and starts on someone else. He finally settles on Dandel because there isn't enough time left in D1 for him to keep jumping his reads around. This cements my read on him. I am not going to sheep my vote to a scum. ## Vote Lvdr Since it's majority lynch, and I see there are enough people active in the thread for the votes to pile on Lvdr, I urge everyone to vote him here. | ||
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On August 26 2012 05:20 Lvdr wrote: Shady there is LESS THAN AN HOUR. We NEED to make a lynch. Trying for a wholesale vote change now is not a good idea. You're right, we NEED a lynch--a lynch on you. Quit using the deadline to bully people. | ||
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On August 26 2012 05:26 Lvdr wrote: @dandel Prior to the deadline clusterfuck, I posted a case on you that your posting profile was extremely scummy. For the record both thrawn and mkfuba looked at your filter and agreed it looked scummy. At that point I decided you were by FAR the best lynch target, and I have yet to see a good reason to change that stance. How are you so sure Thrawn and Mkfuba are town? | ||
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On August 26 2012 05:28 Lvdr wrote: My appeal to all townies: Read Dandel's filter. Tell me it doesn't look like lurker scum. If you think so, vote for me and watch me flip green. Except you're not green. You somehow know that thrawn and mkfuba agreeing with you lends towncred to your case, which means you somehow know that they are town, which means you are scum. | ||
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On August 26 2012 05:30 mkfuba07 wrote: Since you've mentioned this, I was actually surprised to find myself on Dandel lon's townie list as well. I didn't think that my play has been much better than a null read at best. Though I may just be judging myself too harshly. Yeah that list is dumb, but it's a conscious townread. Lvdr here is making a sub-conscious slip. Basically Dandel is making a case that you are town. Lvdr is somehow operating under the assumption that you are town. | ||
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On August 26 2012 05:34 thrawn2112 wrote: Vote count? WeeTee is still my strongest scumread. Those of you that think lvdr is trying to avoid a vote for weetee should consider voting for WeeTee. WeeTee still hasn't given his read on lvdr and he's been the most noncommittal about everything else. If WeeTee gets lynched and flips red then it's very likely that lvdr is also red. WeeTee being scum would indicate that WT/lvdr are protecting each other. I don't want to waste my vote, and my prior read on WeeTee still stands. I'll hammer him if you're still not sold on Lvdr. | ||
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On August 26 2012 05:35 Lvdr wrote: Shady, do you do any behavioral analysis at all? Having a town read on thrawn and mkfuba is good play. If you don't make any reads how can you decide who to lynch? It's not bad play, but the way you're phrasing it means you assume 100% that they agreeing with you means green townies agreeing with you. You were saying "because mkfuba and thrawn agree with me then that adds weight to Dandel's case." | ||
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On August 26 2012 05:39 thrawn2112 wrote: My strongest scumread remains at WeeTee. Where the fuck did all the other players go If Mkfuba doesn't vote WeeTee nobody gets lynched. And shouldn't WeeTee be in this thread? | ||
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On August 26 2012 05:29 mkfuba07 wrote: ##Unvote Naturally, I'm currently looking at Dandel lon or WeeTee. As far as Dandel lon goes, I'm ignoring the fact that he's voting for WeeTee, because that is basically his only viable option. WeeTee's vote, on the other hand, I find to be one of his most suspicious actions. He votes for kush for the same reasoning that he uses to defend himself. Also, though I know there's a lot of speculation as to whether or not the JK claim was real, saying "I'd rather lynch him and know if he was JK than keep wondering" (paraphrased) is scummy. Whether or not you believe kush's role claim, WeeTee's reason for voting for him is anti-town. For Dandel lon, his main defense against the accusations is that the main point of Lvdr's argument is that he's experienced and should be posting better. I don't think that that's the strongest aspect of Lvdr's case. The fact that until just recently everything Dandel lon's said was policy (acceptable to a point), comments that appear to be contributing (slightly suspicious), and wishy-washy reads (suspicious) with about 17 hours of lurking following it, is the heart of the matter for me. It's not just the lurking, it's the active lurking before that. ##vote Dandel lon Okay. Mkfuba, you hold the hammer. I don't get how you can view WeeTee's actual vote and KushM4sta-level anti-town play as being less worth a vote than Dandel's "active lurking." Furthermore, if Dandel is as experienced as people suggest, it is better to have him around than a terrible poster who won't contribute to scumhunt. Unless your read on Dandel is 100% scum, you should be voting WeeTee. | ||
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On August 26 2012 05:42 thrawn2112 wrote: Your candidate is lvdr who has less votes than WeeTee. This is really frustrating... it's hard to come to a consensus when less than half the town is posting. I already said I'd hammer WeeTee if it looked like he was going to get lynched. | ||
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On August 26 2012 05:45 mkfuba07 wrote: I am willing to switch to WeeTee, as I've stated that I still find him suspicious, though we need three more votes on him for a lynch. Can we get that? Okay. ##Vote WeeTee | ||
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On August 26 2012 05:04 kushm4sta wrote: Dude shadys is hella mafia you will realize this soon. Also if WeeTee is mafia it will also be easy because he plays pretty bad. So I guess I will cave to the pressure and vote dandel ion ##vote dandel ion He sheeps onto Dandel and then goes AFK from thread. But Lvdr doesn't attack him. What? | ||
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FoS KushM4sta How long are we going to go tolerating his sheeping OMGUS bullshit? | ||
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On August 26 2012 06:11 Lvdr wrote: I like a Dandel/Shady Scumteam right now. Right, that makes so much sense for both scum to put their eggs in one basket by both bandwagoning onto the same person. On August 26 2012 05:44 Lvdr wrote: There are only 2 mafia and I find it incredibly hard to believe they would put their eggs in one basket by both bandwagoning onto the same person (that they know is going to flip green and spell their doom down the line). Therefore at least 1, and probably both of them are town. Their overall content, timing/context of their support, and gut feeling pegs them as town for me. Oh wait. Lvdr, now your later lies are contradicting your earlier lies. Which ones should we believe? | ||
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On August 26 2012 06:25 Lvdr wrote: And shady, you relentlessly accused me of protecting WeeTee because he was my scum partner... WeeTee flipped Green!!!! Quit making things up. I never accused you of protecting WT. This is the only time I wrote about you and WeeTee together. First off, he says that we should go after Weetee for scummy posting and OMGUSing left and right. Then he says we shouldn't go for me, who was previously his #1 lynch target and the player he was tunneling for thirty straight hours and even faked a town read on. Then he says we should go for Dandel Ion, a player who he has barely mentioned in any of his prior posts. | ||
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On August 26 2012 06:41 Lvdr wrote: My fault the explicit quote was from Dandel In terms of accusations from you that look ridiculous now, how about this? You're either playing a superb anti-town game, or you're scum. I'm going to step away because I am clearly getting heated. Except my accusations were based on your posts and activity, while yours were based off mistaking someone else's posts for mine. How that means I am the one playing anti-town is beyond me. | ||
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On August 26 2012 14:48 thrawn2112 wrote: Dandel this post doesn't make very much sense. After reading that post I have absolutely no idea what read you were giving on kush. You use as you said, arguments that are "all pretty WIFOM" and assign a null tell to mkfuba's point about kush seeming to be alone. Then you say you "think that kush was playing "bad town" rather than scum for the most part." And then you say that his JK claim is "not very believable." So which is it? You say you will reserve judgement on him till he explains his JK claim but I think it's perfectly obvious why both a scum or town kush would roleclaim. Newb-town kush would do it out of desperation, and scum kush would do it as a scare tactic to avoid getting lynched. I don't see why you would need to see his explanation for why he claimed blue before you can give a read on him. This is exactly what I was saying here: On August 25 2012 02:21 Shady Sands wrote: First off, reserving judgment on Kush is bad. Lengthening the amount of time we talk about Kush is going to shorten the amount of time we have to talk about more substantial cases like Lvdr. Furthermore, I don't get why on one hand you understand how mkfuba can see the claim as a town-tell but on the other hand act completely confused about kush. I honestly have no idea how this post makes much sense at all. Either you believe Kush or you don't, Dandel. And if you don't, Kush is a clear lynch. | ||
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On August 26 2012 07:02 kushm4sta wrote: Hi I'm here. I didn't vote for WeeTee beacuse I'm smart and I know hes not mafia. Its dandel and shady who are my two top picks. You haven't offered a single shred of analysis or evidence back this up. And apart from repeating my name over and over again, you haven't contributed to the scumhunt at all. You even actively sheeped your D1 vote. And you roleclaiming JK is just anti-town, period. It's at best a null tell or gives scum an easy bluesnipe, and at worst (and probably) is an attempt to fakeclaim and bait the real JK to counterclaim. And the really bad part is that you did it purely because instead of defending yourself by making cases you defended yourself by OMGUSing with one liner posts and never contributing any independent analysis at all. | ||
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On August 26 2012 10:49 Spaghetticus wrote: Sorry guys... I did set an alarm but apparently forgot to turn it on... either that or I turned it off in my sleep... Craaaaaap. I am not at all happy with how this went down, if I had have been here I probably could have got the bandwagon onto Dandel Ion, which was IMO a much, much better lynch. This is particularly infuriating considering I was going to make a case vs Dandel but my protection of Kush and WeeTee, and my case against Shady, took far too long, and by this time I was pretty much in a zombie state. Okay it is night time so we need to adjust our scopes and think about night play. - The JK is almost certainly going to use his action to prove his innocence, that is, the Kush debacle. The town may want to consider trusting Kush to try and actually make use of his ability, I personally believe Kush to be the least questionable town due to his willingness to prove it. If WeeTee was town, then Kush is almost certainly town. We should, if possible, try to utilise him while we have him, rather than wasting valuable JK actions on proving an already certain town to be town. - I want people to focus in on Shady and Dandel, I will eat my hat without sauce or water if both of these players flip green. How do you know that WT flipping green makes Kush green? | ||
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On August 26 2012 20:22 Dandel Ion wrote: Meh. Work just cut into my freetime like knife into butter. I didn't know it would, or I wouldn't have signed up in the first place. But now I'm here. I'll have about ~2 hours of time today in the evening. And probably the same amount for the rest of the week. Not that I expect this time will help any, with how it looks. So I'm just gonna play GW2 for most of that. I'd much rather do that anyways. If my best fucking efforts to still be active despite everything are still not enough, no need to bother. Usually the sensible thing would be getting replaced I guess, but the replacement would just get lynched day 2 too, so no need to bother, hm? A dick move? Yeah. But I don't care anymore. What the hell? Town hasn't been pushing you nearly as hard as Kush or WT or even me, for that matter. If you've got some time now, spit out your reads. And asking to quit like this is just bad play. If you're going to AFK from thread because you don't like the game anymore, PM a mod, don't say it in the thread. | ||
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On August 26 2012 20:33 Dandel Ion wrote: eeh, guess I'm gonna ask for a replacement. Don't think it'll do shit, but w/e you guys want. Ok. Leave your final reads here so that we have something to work off of. | ||
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On August 26 2012 20:44 Dandel Ion wrote: My reads before the flip: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=16#314 Pretty much the same now, except that Lvdr has lied on multiple occasions now. It's puzzeling that nobody seems to have a problem with that, but w/e. I don't believe kush's claim, and somebody asked me why I didn't vote for him then. It should be a no-brainer, but: If he isn't JK, it's gonna come out after night 1. If he is, we have a JK. No matter how small I find the possibility, lynching kush day 1 would have been the worst play in fucking history, and I may be a lot of things, but I'm not THAT much of a moron. Ok. So is your read on Lvdr that he is scum now or not? | ||
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On August 26 2012 20:31 kushm4sta wrote: @thrawn you are right about that last minute change to weetee to protect dandel ion being very suspecious. Let us see who precipitated this change... the first person so start changing peoples minds was shady. His case was basically Lvdr had accused 3 different people, which discredits him because is too many, even though shady himself has accused I think 4 people. Then later there is this gem. Who can have a 100% read day 1? It's impossible. Furthermore, he has not explained why he is the only person who still suspects me. I mean many people have said it, my innocence can be CONFIRMED. Yet he still wants to lynch me and suspects me? I guess he is just ignoring this glaring inconsistency under the guise of not wanting to discuss me because I'm a waste of time. Yet he will waste time calling me out when im absent from the thread for a few hours. And now for his latest remark. It's not either you believe me or you don't. Have you ever heard of uncertainty, shady? Or are you just pressuring people into lynching townies again? Again, Kush isn't listening to others or making a good case. My case on Lvdr is not in how many people he was accusing but the way in which he was doing it. He was FoSing and voting people without giving them a chance to respond, in the last 12 hours before the lynch. And he was rapidly switching his targets as he did so. This is a classic scum technique to find out who is AFK/busy so they can set up a mislynch wagon, especially given that most of the town was undecided at that point. And I did explain why I suspect you. Read this post: On August 26 2012 20:19 Shady Sands wrote: You haven't offered a single shred of analysis or evidence back this up. And apart from repeating my name over and over again, you haven't contributed to the scumhunt at all. You even actively sheeped your D1 vote. And you roleclaiming JK is just anti-town, period. It's at best a null tell or gives scum an easy bluesnipe, and at worst (and probably) is an attempt to fakeclaim and bait the real JK to counterclaim. And the really bad part is that you did it purely because instead of defending yourself by making cases you defended yourself by OMGUSing with one liner posts and never contributing any independent analysis at all. I can't explain why I'm the only person that suspects you because that would mean I could magically mind read other people's logic. I don't buy your JK claim at all. Never have, never will, unless you die and flip JK. Even if someone else claims they were RB'd, it could just be your scumbuddy in which case woohoo! We have our two scum. | ||
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On August 26 2012 20:48 kushm4sta wrote: Damn this latest development with dandel ion not giving a shit makes both him and shady seem quite innocent. Why, because he's playing like you now? | ||
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On August 26 2012 21:33 Spaghetticus wrote: My thoughts on it are that I would much prefer a lynch on Shady, as although I am suspicious of Dandel, this recent lack of interest is either a very good self bus play, or genuine disinterest, which I would not expect from a scum player. Why? | ||
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On August 26 2012 22:53 kushm4sta wrote: Oh no. I reread the rules. The scum RB is just going to RB me, so my RB isn't going to go through. I did not realize this. Cop should be checking KushM4sta, as he's been claiming JK for the past day, and explicitly stated we could confirm that JK claim, and now there's not even a way to "verify" his claims. Alternatively, cop should check Lvdr to see whether he's just a lying scum or a townie with difficulty separating fact from fiction. | ||
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On August 26 2012 22:05 kushm4sta wrote: @Shady Sands There is one thing in your post I agree with, the last part. That is why people should decide who I RB. They can pick the least scummy person to minimize the chance that it will be my "scumbuddy." As for lvdr, I find your case against him an exaggeration. He claims he FOSed a bunch of people rapidly because he was trying to prevent lurkers. He uses the FOS differently than he should perhaps but to me it makes sense. Yes he voted for weetee at first then change his vote to dandelion, but why would mafia do that if weetee was town anyway? Also many people changed their vote from dandelion to weetee. Changing your vote does not make you mafia. @thrawn You have actually been riding shady's dick quite hard this game. I'm not saying it makes you suspicious but maybe you are putting too much stock in his meta. He claims he has been busy FOSing people to prevent lurkers, but somehow he missed Alsn, who skipped out hours prior to nightpost and didn't even show up for the lynch. | ||
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On August 27 2012 03:31 Alsn wrote: Wait, what? I most certainly did show up for the lynch. I changed my vote before the deadline too. Gonna write up my thoughts on the pre-lynch debacle sometime before end of the night, I've just been really busy today so far. Who was it that skipped out on the lynch vote then? I know someone did, he came into the thread and was making loud posts about how he missed his alarm clock. | ||
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On August 27 2012 10:50 Spaghetticus wrote: Kush is now confirmed town unless someone comes forward and claims they were also nightblocked. If this does not happen, then I am going to start FoSing anyone who questions him for deliberate attempts to spread confusion. How does that even make sense? You do realize that under F11, there could be no jailkeeper at all and only a roleblocker, right? And that jk/rb doesn't even have to rb or jk someone each night. At best, this is a null tell. At best. | ||
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It makes no sense. In that case I still have my original cases on both of them and am voting ## Vote Lvdr. That being said though, given that Lvdr's case on Dandel was unprovoked and a sudden FoS right before D1 lynch vote, I'd be willing to lynch Dandel only in the context that it tells us whether Lvdr is green or not. Scum Lvdr would have no reason to bus his partner in that way during D1. | ||
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The reason why I think Lvdr and Kush were playing the JK game, even though there's no way to prove the claim, was that they were trying to set up a "WIFOM mindbomb" for the actual JK. This is borne out by the fact that D1, their little game was unable to block the NK of Alsn. | ||
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On August 29 2012 03:52 kushm4sta wrote: [b] Is it possible in this game mode for there to be no JK? [b] I remember shady giving this as another reasons why my confirmation is invalid...even though I would had to have based my false claim on the random chance that there was no JK to roleblock a townie. Yes. Check the F11 game setup on mafiascum.net. | ||
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Town got ridiculously lucky with the Dandel read. Mkfuba (who I think is cop) was a lot more scummy from an "active lurking" perspective, Lvdr was lying, and Kush was a bad townie, so Dandel and I thought we had D1 covered. After D1 came, we both knew Dandel was going to die, so I decided to try and snipe the cop Night 1 and then bus Dandel D2. That didn't happen so I mostly zoned out of the game. I had Mkfuba and Alsn down as possible cops. Brief notes: @Lvdr - Well played overall. It was actually my intention from the start of the game to prod you into becoming irrationally angry. You, Kush, and WeeTee, actually. You were our D1 mislynch target until Dandel had a change of heart and went for WT. Then you bit on Dandel, hard, and I decided that it was too late for a D1 bus so I decided to go all out against you and make any read on me you had look like OMGUS in prep for a D2 Dandel bus. @Thrawn - You were our preferred N1 kill, until the Lvdr Dandel connection came up and we had to switch tactics. @Mkfuba07 - Well played again. I had you down as a suspected DT from the first six hours of playing, and was going to try and gun you for a D2 mislynch, but then again, the whole Dandel fiasco happened. @Alsn - Good job. You played a very intelligent, analytical style which helps town immensely. Even if I didn't think you were cop, you would be high up on a scum snipe list. Consider that a compliment. @Spag - Good job as well. You weren't as clean as Alsn but nice job reading me. However you don't have Lvdr's tunneling ability, next time you should pick that up--might have forced Dandel to bus me D1. @WeeTee, Kush - I'm lumping you two together since it's obvious that both of you are new to the game. I think the general lesson to draw from this game is never spend more than 10% of your time directly arguing why you are innocent--instead try to spend as much of your time as possible making cases on people. The #1 tug of war in mafia is the concept of "draining the pond"; imagine the scum as fish and the town as the pond. A town that doesn't point fingers at each other all the time is a large pond. By making cases actively, you drain the pond and give the fish less room to hide--they either have to bus each other a lot or make cases against townies which are eventually found false by a mislynch. Special note to Kush: don't claim JK D1, ever. Here you got very lucky in having a sympathetic town. If I was town I would not have believed you and would likely have tunneled you until the very end. @Dandel - Good game and I'm sorry it didn't work out for us. I think I made a number of mistakes, first and foremost among them not prodding you harder earlier in the game, before Lvdr jumped on you with a full case, and second assuming that town would be as unforgiving of Kush's scummy claim as I would be if I was town. Thanks for the game and I hope to see you again. And finally, to our hosts Toad, Ghost, and Keir, thanks so much. You guys made the game quite enjoyable. | ||
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On August 29 2012 07:55 kushm4sta wrote: @shady you fell for my noob trap. also you should never have pretended to suspect me and you should have just killed me n1. Don't be smug. Your D1 posting was a horrific train of mistakes, lol | ||
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On August 29 2012 08:16 Lvdr wrote: Also is it bm to vote for yourself for MVP? Er, I don't think you were MVP, lol. My nomination would actually go to Thrawn for that. | ||
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I don't think there was one. We both didn't play well enough to qualify. | ||
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On August 29 2012 11:20 ghost_403 wrote: Well, that went a lot faster than expected, to say the least ^^ Tomorrow, I'll sit down and do the write up. I'm genuinely curious as to how exactly this happened. I mean, I expected the game to be slightly more volatile than the C9++ setup, but this is something else... Probably won't be hosting another F11 for a while. Ghost, the real big problem was that I couldn't coordinate with Dandel after he went out of the game, and I never got a replacement to help me D2. | ||
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