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On August 19 2012 15:17 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2012 15:05 YourHarry wrote:EDBWOP: @Thrawn You said this was not your breadcrumb post. What was your intention with the bolded part: On August 17 2012 14:58 thrawn2112 wrote:
I could not understand why shady was pushing so hard to have me lynched. I had given him sufficient arguments to back down on his claims, and I didn't feel like he was paying attention to any of my responses. My being lynched would benefit the scum team, and so the longer he continued to press his case against me the more and more I thought he was scum. Archrun was another player who moved to lynch me for reasons I didn't think were genuine so I also thought he could be scum. My vote for shady was based on shady being the most vocal, and in my eyes, stubborn about me being scum. The current debate is over whether I or Archrun are scum. Before the vote Archrun said that if shady is town, then I should be lynched. Yourharry is saying that if Archrun is scum, then I am town. My efforts are going to be focused on going through Archrun's filter, and I will post about it if I find something worth bringing up.
I don't think that town should focus 100% on Archrun and I. After I go through Archrun's filter I will also read through the filters of the people most outspoken in the debate over shady/thrawn and I think everyone else should do the same. I realize I haven't posted much of substance, but I thought it was worth saying that Archrun and I shouldn't be the only people investigated. First it seems redundant as town to say "me being lynched is not good for town" but to say in a more active form "me being lynched is good for scum" makes it feel like you are claiming a power role. Second, are you not discouraging the detective to check someone other than you or Archrun? The first part was to explain why I voted for shady. Look at that bolded part in context with the rest of the sentence and it makes sense. The second part was based on the true statement that archrun and I shouldn't be the only people investigated. It isn't good for town to limit investigations to only two people, and because I accidentally mislynched a green player (shady) I realized that I was being too focused on my reads and not bothering to give a hard enough look at other players.
I am having second thoughts about Thrawn. First thing that doesn't make sense if Thrawn is scum: If Thrawn is indeed scum then he left that "bread crumb" post so that he can use that as evidence to mislead the town that he is vigilante. But Thrawn denied this post as the "bread crumb" post, and in his initial claim, he never even referenced this post in the first place...
Second thing that I am not sure about is that, claiming vigilante is so dangerous for scum. One weak point in this line of thinking is that Thrawn did ask the mod to confirm that there could be more than one vigilante. I think it is possible that scum Thrawn DID ask the moderator in private prior to asking publicly that there could be more than one vigilante.
STILL, whether or not there could be two vigilante... a counter vigilante claim would definitely have made Thrawn look suspicious. Would it not? I am not sure scum would have taken this risk.
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But I am scared to unvote, because I will be the next person to be lynched after Thrawn
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Also, I have hard time understanding scum Thrawn attempting to pull off vigilante stunt when he could have simply targeted someone other than Archrun. Archrun then would have been the next lynch target
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On August 20 2012 08:09 Solarsail wrote:What a surprise. Scum YH has a good motivation for this: be accused as one of the three, bus Thrawn to save yourself when the case against you looks strong, and backtrack on that close to deadline when he's about to be lynched and people are talking about switching.
That is not the reason for my switch, but I understand your suspicion. I can't move my vote for now because if I do, I will be lynched.
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Fuck... we don't have a lot of time. GK, how the heck is it pro-town to risk getting yourself mislynched in attempt to save someone who you *think* may be town, now. Even if what Thrawn is saying is true, he is not a power role any more and while I think I may be wrong about him I am not 100% sure. There is a chance that he could be scum.
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I am not super confident in my scum read. Upon my reading just now, I found Jhyut case's scummy. Sheeping Thrawn's case here, but Jhyut did not care whether I am town or scum - he wanted to lynch me. I thought he was something else, but I guess I was wrong again. HE is also lurking pretty hard, so he may turn out to be scum
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On August 20 2012 08:27 Z-BosoN wrote:
Woooow
I simply can't process what YH is saying. His posting is utter garbage, his explanations make little sense...
This behavior is quite scummy and has been like this since day one.
Right now I tend to agree with DarthPunk, YH's posts about thrawn have been especially messed up.
I'm sticking with thrawn, because I'm pretty damn sure he's scum, I find it extremely hard to think he is vigi, and I agree with the YH + thrawn scumteam.
Did you read my defense of Thrawn. What part of it does NOT make sense to you? Would scum really plan to fake vig? You dont think it's risky? WHen scum Thrawn could have easily taken the safer way of not lynching Archrun, and hten going after Archrun during the day?
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On August 20 2012 08:29 goodkarma wrote:
@YourHarry:
What do you think of Obvious/Ochrow? I feel the case against Ochrow has already been well presented, but Obvious's OMGUS response so far instead of constructive contributions on current lynch candidates gives me a scum read on him (even if for a second I were to ignore Ochrow ever existed...). What are your thoughts and impressions on this?
And who is your strongest scum read if it's not Thrawn? Golbat? I would be interested in knowing. And if you are a townie in danger of being mislynched it would benefit all of us to know your reads before you potentially die and any reads you haven't shared are lost forever.
My case against Golbat and Darth was based on my scum read on Thrawn. Not sure anymore.
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GK, could you summarize your case against Obvious/Orchrow. I didn't think he was particularly scummy.
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@GK Never mind. I will go read your case again.
@Solar, my brief explanation is in the post before my vote.
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GK, so you think Ochrow is scum because of associative tells (for defending me and possible QT talk with Thrawn). Knowing my alignment and since I am not sure THrawn is scum, I don't know if this point has any merit.
Other than that he is lurking, which is true, and he has been wishy washy (also true).
His filter doesn't seem particularly scummy to me.
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I think I am set to be lynched right now. Can we decide someone other than Thrawn and me to vote against?
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On August 20 2012 08:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
yourharry what does you knowing your alignment have anything to do with your thoughts on the thrawn/ochrow qt theory?
GK was accusing Ochrow for defending me. I guess it is possible for scum Ochrow to defend me too, but I thought GK was saying that scum Ochrow was defending his scum partner in me.
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On August 20 2012 08:53 Solarsail wrote:
Vote reverting to Thrawn per my earlier post since an Obvious lynch is not really possible in 7 minutes.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
If I had to choose, I would pick Obvious over Thrawn.
I am willing to vote for Obvious at this point. Guys, can we move ??
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##Unvote
##Vote Thrawn
I hope Thrawn is scum
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But at this point, I can't risk getting lynched since i know i am town 100%
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I second calling out the lurkers (sheeping Darth). FOS in:
Golbat
Jhyut
Golbat has been active in the beginning of Day 2, votes Thrawn and then disappeared.
Jhyut had be sporadic poster, and is my current top scum suspect. I thought he was something else earlier... I want him to respond to Thrawn's case against him.
@Jhyut, did you read the post where I ask you to read my defense against you carefully?
Solar, has posted little but I don't know if he qualifies as a lurker. I do agree that he should post more.
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EDBWOP: Jhyut has been a sporadic poster
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FOS Golbat for lurking. Contribute to this game or get out.
I think regardless of who we decide to lynch next, we should consider no lynch today. Allowing the mafia to make the first move is good so we have more information. Currently we have 5 town and 3 scums. If we lynch incorrectly, we would be down to 4 towns and 3 scums and the game is likely to be over outside a medic save.
Instead, by letting the scums to kill first, we will have more time to discuss and smaller pool (one fewer person) to pick the mafia from. This will increase our chance of correct lynch. Only down side to this strategy is that in 4 town 3 scum scenario, with exception of busing, all 4 town players have to agree to lynch the scum. A good measure to bypass this is for everyone to claim tomorrow, aggregate our reports, and decide on the town leader among confirmed townies. Claiming in the beginning is bad, of course, because power roles do not have much information. I think claiming at this point (or tomorrow) is a good strategy because we can combine information from everyone to possibly secure a scum lynch. We can probably establish confirmed townies as well, to pick the town leader from.
Then we examine and try to make sense players' earlier actions based on whatever reports we can aggregate. This could obviously help the scums to decide on the future target, but this matters LESS because near the end of the game, there are only few more days to use their power anyway. And possibly with help of roleblocker or medic to delay the death of our investigator roles. This would be IMMENSELY helpful as our investigators would have very small pool of players to suspect scums from.
Also, based on our reports, we pick the town leader from the confirmed townies. This town leader ultimately should have the power to select the lynch candidate. This way we can stop scum's number advantage, and overcome the difficulty of all four townies' ability to gang up against one scum. Otherwise, the townie consensus on one scum would be almost impossible to be reached.
I would like to hear other people's thoughts on no lynch today.
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