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+ Show Spoiler +On August 18 2012 17:10 YourHarry wrote:Remaining player list, excluding myself: DarthPunk goodkarma Golbatthrawn2112Jhuyt SolarSail Z-BosoN Stutters695 Ochrow Darth is almost for sure not the SK, especially because he was roleblocked and there was a second night kill. SK should also be very quick to dismiss any vigilante claim, because there were only two night kills. SK, if vig claim is true, should have expected 3 night kills. In this regard, Darth, Golbat, Solar and GK are likely candidates. Darth, for reason mentioned above, is not SK. Golbat I think is scum. Either Solar or GK could be SK. Also, assuming that SK was aiming for the scum, he must have thought that mkfuba is scum. In this respect, Solar or Ochrow could be the SK because they both believed my mason-read claim and may have thought that mkfuba who was suspicious of me was scum. This is, admittedly, a weak connection but I think this is a possibility. Solar also was one of the players who quickly dismissed Thrawn's vigilante claim. Z-boson hasn't posted today yet, but he seemed to suspect me on Day 1 so I don't think he would have targeted mkfuba as SK. So, unlikely to be the SK. Stutters makes this possibly suspicious post regarding SK on Day 1: Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:29 Stutters695 wrote:
In regards to an SK:
I agree with discussing the SK being a waste of time. It will become obvious very quickly if there is an SK when multiple people are dying nightly.
He also ends up voting for Archrun, and may have thought that I was townie. Thus, Stutter targeting mkfuba, who was suspicious of me, could be consistent with Stutter being the SK. So, currently I think two likely SK candidates are Solar and Stutter and then maybe GoodKarma. For now though, we should focus more on lynching the scums than SK, as SK could help us target some of the scums.
Oh hey, a useless post filled with WIFOM. You forgot to mention that the SK could be playing in a way that doesn't plant signs of him actually being the SK all over the thread.
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As for who I think is the third scum, I will re-evaluate tomorrow, hopefully when Ochrow had made some posts.
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Golbat, good night. Not sure why you "think" that is WIFOM except to come up with an excuse to attack my post. I worked hard for that post.
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On August 18 2012 17:25 YourHarry wrote:
Golbat, good night. Not sure why you "think" that is WIFOM except to come up with an excuse to attack my post. I worked hard for that post.
I think your post is WIFOM because I know what WIFOM is, and your post fits the bill. There's really no two ways about it.
I also really hope that some more of the lurkers start posting. Z-Boson, Ochrow, Jhuyt have yet to post today to my knowledge.
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EBWOP: Only Ochrow hasn't posted today. My apologies. Z-Boson posted right after the flip, so that just barely counts. Solar and Jhyut have posted.
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FOS yourharry
Yourharry has a long track record of posting one liners. One liners are likely to come from scum, as the scum can appear active and even appear to be scumhunting without saying anything of substance for the town to analyze. I have gone through his filter and quoted all his one liners. I tried not to include posts that shouldn't be relevant, such as asking mods questions and things like that. There are several posts I didn't include that were very short but at least were composed of more than a single sentence
+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2012 12:06 YourHarry wrote:
I think solarsail is scared ... On August 15 2012 12:09 YourHarry wrote:
Did we just catch 2 scums?? On August 15 2012 12:09 YourHarry wrote:
Shady, don't leave us. Let's find the third scum. On August 15 2012 12:24 YourHarry wrote:
Never mind. I am confident Solarsail is town. Move on.
##Unvote On August 15 2012 12:27 YourHarry wrote:
Shady, do you agree? On August 15 2012 12:34 YourHarry wrote:
Right now is not the good time to explain. Really, you don't see it? On August 15 2012 12:55 YourHarry wrote:
GK, your post regarding Solar was the reason why I found him town. Is that enough explanation for you? On August 15 2012 13:54 YourHarry wrote:
I found mkfuba scummy, but I may have been too focused on people trying to target Solar. On August 17 2012 05:32 YourHarry wrote:
BTW, I still think GK is scummy. On August 17 2012 05:34 YourHarry wrote:
Whether or not it's a plurality, what is the point of casting a vote on someone who is not going to get majority of the votes? On August 17 2012 05:39 YourHarry wrote:
I will be back before deadline. Count on it. On August 18 2012 10:22 YourHarry wrote:
thrawn, do you think there is SK? quick question, yes or no? On August 18 2012 16:21 YourHarry wrote:
Keep busing your scum partner.
Yourharry has flipflopped more than any other player.
Here is one example:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359489¤tpage=8
On this page he votes for thrawn. The next two posts are back to back, Darthpunk is suspicious of solar and shady issues an FOS on solar. The next post is yourharry unvoting thrawn and voting for solar. His explanation in that post is a quote of something solar said at the beginning of the game. Harry does not present a case, he only quotes solar and votes for him. This looks like someone who is trying to fit in with the current opinion without having to give a good explanation for his read. There are many other times he has flipflopped and he has been called out for doing so throughout the game.
Yourharry made votes for shady, solar, thrawn, goodkarma, and archrun. Near the voting deadline, he votes for shady, after people such as myself, mkfuba, and jhyut have done. At that point it is looking like either shady or I will be lynched. Then there is discussion about how voting for a lurker such as archrun (who is starting to get more votes) is a safer alternative than lynching shady or myself. Even I make a couple posts about the possibility of switching my vote to archrun. Right before the deadline, literally minutes before the deadline, yourharry switches his vote to archrun. He switches his vote to what people are saying would be the "safe" option. He quotes the "either thrawn scum or shady scum" quote from archrun and switches his vote giving a short two sentence explanation for his vote. To sum up, he votes for shady when other people start doing so, then switches his vote to archrun when other people start doing so, and his explanations why weren't very good. At the start of N1 he is defending me, but once the town is all saying that I am scum (excluding lurkers, where are you guys?) he changes his read.
At the beginning of the game I was suspicious of yourharry because of how he posted during the solar trolling. After him giving his explanation for his nonsensical posts about information only he knew I accepted his explanation and from that point on I haven't paid too attention to him and had a slight town read on him. I should not have stopped watching him, his behavior of posting one liners, flipflopping, bandwagoning has not stopped.
Am I reading too much into his posting style and his flip flops? When I think about the way he has posted and changed his reads to whoever the town had a scum read on over the course of the game, I am starting to think he is scum. I'm not confident enough in my read to vote for him but I think his general behavior has been very suspicious.
Regarding WIFOM:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM
I read the definition, and have come to the conclusion that people keep using that word and I do not think it means what they think it means.
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On August 18 2012 18:09 thrawn2112 wrote:Regarding WIFOM: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOMI read the definition, and have come to the conclusion that people keep using that word and I do not think it means what they think it means.
We all know what it means.
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On August 18 2012 16:03 thrawn2112 wrote:
Darthpunk, you have been twisting everything I've said to you into more reasons why I'm scum, and for that I'm going to be looking closely at your filter. It seems like you're less interested in seeing what I have to say and more interested in convincing town I'm scum regardless of my arguments. Goodkarma on the other hand even asked me to defend myself. I can sense sincerity in his motivations but you just seem focused on interpreting everything I say as evidence against me.
@goodkarma
dont worry it's coming
I want to say that I had the exact same reaction to You are right that there is no evidence in either direction to prove or disprove my vig claim. I only vig claimed to give an explanation as to how things could have worked out the way they did if I am town. as he had, simply because from my experience that is the easiest way for a scum to reveal himself.
I guess it could also be because you suddenly thought you should write as if you had not claimed you're vigi. From either scum or town perspective that's a really dumb idea because it is, like I have written, a very common scumslip.
Right now I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt because I think that it is more urgent for us to lynch YH because of his flip-floppy ways and long posts with almost no content.
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On August 18 2012 20:00 Jhuyt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 16:03 thrawn2112 wrote:
Darthpunk, you have been twisting everything I've said to you into more reasons why I'm scum, and for that I'm going to be looking closely at your filter. It seems like you're less interested in seeing what I have to say and more interested in convincing town I'm scum regardless of my arguments. Goodkarma on the other hand even asked me to defend myself. I can sense sincerity in his motivations but you just seem focused on interpreting everything I say as evidence against me.
@goodkarma
dont worry it's coming I want to say that I had the exact same reaction to Show nested quote +You are right that there is no evidence in either direction to prove or disprove my vig claim. I only vig claimed to give an explanation as to how things could have worked out the way they did if I am town. as he had, simply because from my experience that is the easiest way for a scum to reveal himself. I guess it could also be because you suddenly thought you should write as if you had not claimed you're vigi. From either scum or town perspective that's a really dumb idea because it is, like I have written, a very common scumslip. Right now I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt because I think that it is more urgent for us to lynch YH because of his flip-floppy ways and long posts with almost no content.
The purpose of saying "if I'm town" is to make a distinction between what my motives would be if I'm mafia or town. When trying to explain why I did something, it's important to give reasons why my actions make more sense if I am town than if I'm scum and I thought that using 'if i'm town' was a good way to show that distinction between scum-motives and town-motives.
That was not darthpunk's only post I felt that way about; he seemed to be not paying attention to what I was actually saying for several posts and only responded with short accusations such as "you keep using wifom."
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On August 18 2012 20:00 Jhuyt wrote:Right now I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt because I think that it is more urgent for us to lynch YH because of his flip-floppy ways and long posts with almost no content.
I don't follow your logic there... you are giving me the benefit of the doubt because you would rather lynch yourharry?
Not voting for one player because you would rather vote for another player isn't a bad thing but the way you said it ("I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt") was strange. Do you think I'm town or scum and why?
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When I looked at the case GK made in this post I got the feeling that you might be scum, but I wasn't sure. When I couple that with your scumslip it makes more sense that he's right and therefore I think you're scum.
The benefit of the doubt line was one that I was considering to cut out of the post because it doesn't add anything and I'm pretty sure I misused the expression.
I should have said that while I do think you're scum I think that YH's behaviour is way scummier and so much more anti-town that a lynch on him is necessary so that we can have a clearer discussion.
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Holy shit, really didn't see Arch being town. . . . . . . At a Star2 LAN right now so I probably won't have a chance to post until later but I will when I can.
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@Jhuyt I think I know who you are coming from. I admit I may have looked scummy, but please read This Post carefully
On August 18 2012 18:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
FOS yourharry
Yourharry has a long track record of posting one liners. One liners are likely to come from scum, as the scum can appear active and even appear to be scumhunting without saying anything of substance for the town to analyze. I have gone through his filter and quoted all his one liners. I tried not to include posts that shouldn't be relevant, such as asking mods questions and things like that. There are several posts I didn't include that were very short but at least were composed of more than a single sentence
Do you think I specifically need those one liners to appear to be scum hunting and active? Really??
And flip-flopping of my votes is just reflection of my changing reads on people. Some of my suspicions could have come from gut feeling, but I think I can explain most of my flip flops. I will do it later if people ask me to.
I will be back later. Hopefully we'd get some posts from the lurkers. Z-boson, Ochrow, and Solar need to post more.
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Sorry I haven't been posting much lately, had a tough end of week.
Am catching up atm, should be hearing from me soon.
I already read the whole thread, and now will start going more carefully through the filters, especially thrawn's, who was already my top suspect before Shady's lynch and now just seems to be in an even worse spot.
I don't think I'll bother with shady's filter because he was just attacking everyone left and right, with few good points.
However, Archrun's filter and especially mkfuba's filter should provide more information. Assuming that the vigi shot Archrun (doesn't make sense for vigi to shoot mkf), why did mkfuba get shot? This topic is generally overlooked, but I don't think we should ignore the reasoning behind mafia's NK.
I'll see what I can find out, one sec guys!
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On August 18 2012 15:29 DarthPunk wrote:
These lurkers are really hurting us by the way.
Afaik we have five votes for Thrawn (could be wrong) and zero for anyone else. No one except the Thrawn and YH have argued against GK's scenario usefully, and the vig claim is the most desperate thing this game in my view. Thus I'm OK with the status quo.
I'm still reading the thread and trying to construct a case for myself why GK might be wrong,since Thrawn and YH are doing a poor job at doing it themselves.
Requesting vote count
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Vote count:
Thrawn2112 (5): DarthPunk, Golbat, Solarsail, goodkarma, YourHarry
No Vote: thrawn2112, Stutters695, Z-Boson, Ochrow, Jhuyt
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On August 19 2012 03:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
Sorry I haven't been posting much lately, had a tough end of week.
Am catching up atm, should be hearing from me soon.
I already read the whole thread, and now will start going more carefully through the filters, especially thrawn's, who was already my top suspect before Shady's lynch and now just seems to be in an even worse spot.
I don't think I'll bother with shady's filter because he was just attacking everyone left and right, with few good points.
However, Archrun's filter and especially mkfuba's filter should provide more information. Assuming that the vigi shot Archrun (doesn't make sense for vigi to shoot mkf), why did mkfuba get shot? This topic is generally overlooked, but I don't think we should ignore the reasoning behind mafia's NK.
I'll see what I can find out, one sec guys!
I tried to point out that mkfuba's lasts posts in the game were about how he had a very strong town read on me. He had the strongest town read on me out of anyone and he gave the best explanations as to why. As was standard for everything I tried to say during N1 people (especially darkpunk) just completely dismissed this as "OMG thrawn more WIFOM." Don't you think that my claim that I shot Archrun is completely in line with everything I had said at the end of D1 and during N1? He was my next target after shady, and I tried to scumhunt him to confirm/deny my suspicions but he never responded to my accusations. I have pointed this out too but by then the town was already of the opinion that they should ignore everything I have to say.
On August 19 2012 00:30 YourHarry wrote:
And flip-flopping of my votes is just reflection of my changing reads on people. Some of my suspicions could have come from gut feeling, but I think I can explain most of my flip flops. I will do it later if people ask me to.
Could you do it? I believed some of your flip flops were sincere at the time they occurred, but when you take into account that you do it over and over the entire game, especially taking into account that many of your flipflops were you switching your reads to line up with what the town was beginning to think, it looks very scummy.
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On my last significant post, I had a FOS on thrawn, a FOS on YourHarry, and a light suspicion on Shady Sands. I chose to policy lynch Jhuyt rather than vote for thrawn or YH, with the reasoning behind it in my post. After careful reading and analyzing, I will update my suspicions, and give new ideas as to what has transpired since then, since now I have more information to work with.
Please take some time to read this post as it took quite a while to write and has many ideas in it.
Reasoning behind mkfuba07's NK
+ Show Spoiler +Only major things that mkfuba did were defend solar, and defend thrawn2112. His mostly significant point about his defense of thrawn was: I don't see any real evidence of Thrawn and Ochrow coordinating their posts. The entire thing feels contrived to me. This makes me feel that this bandwagon that's started on Thrawn is at least partially supported by scums. This, in turn, gives me an even stronger townie read on Thrawn. However, the date of this post is August 17, at 3:30. Ochrows "lie", came at August 17, at 5:54. Then, later, at 8:58 of the same day, he says: I still believe that Thrawn would be a mislynch. Too much of his play has a townie feel to me. As for Shady... so much of his evidence against Thrawn feels so inadequate and contrived to me... Unfortunately, I'm now at a point where I have to decide between switching to someone I've made it clear I feel is town, and keeping my vote on someone who has tunneled that person for most of the game.
Perhaps he didn't read in too much into Ochrow's post, granted that he was townie. So this gives me two options on the NK: 1) Some scum leading the thrawn2112 bandwagon wanted him dead so as to successfully lynch thrawn, who is indeed innocent. This is kinda weird, because there are many innocents, and blue's are not the most talkative ones, they don't like to stick out. No reason to think thrawn was a blue, in my opinion. I don't find this very likely, unless the whole scum team had some weirdass reason to think thrawn was blue, which I just don't find plausible. 2) Scum thrawn, thinking that this would be a possibility, killed mkfuba to relieve some pressure off of him. For this to happen however, he would have to be a very unobservant player and not note how weird this would be. But what's great about this is that thrawn ADMITS he is a blue player. So, according to him, he is a blue player that sticks his neck out and draws suspicion to himself. I find this much more likely. (option two, not the fact that he's vigi) 3) Random blue-sniping attempt. I don't think mkfuba showed some display of being blue though. He stick his neck out to resist the horde attempting to bandwagon thrawn, and sticks with it. A blue would just not want to draw that kind of attention. I don't find this likely.
Reasoning behind ArchRun's NK
+ Show Spoiler + This here is what irks me. Either we have a serial killer, who wanted ArchRun dead, which I don't buy... I can't think of a reason for a SK to go after him. So, for me, it's either a vigi kill or a Mafia kill.
1) vigi kill? If thrawn is indeed vigi, it would make sense for him to make a vigi kill on Archrun. Being that the whole town is now onto him, killing someone he was sure was scum would make sense. What doesn't make sense, however, is how he could have been so sure that arch is scum, and WHY would he waste his ONLY vigi shot based on lame D1 speculations. I find this unlikely
2) mafia kill? If thrawn were mafia here, killing archrun would be outright stupid. The real mafia, imo, would also have no reason I can fathom to kill Archrun. He does not fit the profile of a blue, and he had some fire on him. He was in the thrawn bandwagon, so this just doesn't make sense. I find this VERY unlikely
goodkarma's major post
+ Show Spoiler +He connects Thrawn and Ochrow with evidence on a shared QT. First, I’d like to bring to everyone’s attention the evidence that both Thrawn and Ochrow are sharing a QT. Shady has brought this up before, and so have I, but I don’t feel everyone has looked back on their filters to determine how obvious this is. Listed below, for your reference are the two posts that show this most clearly. Notice the timestamps, as they are identical. There is zero chance that one came in and later “copied” the other: SO WHAT? This is a horrible argument. You should know how long it takes to write posts, and mafia have nothing to gain by posting two equal ideas at the same time. You are thinking they both decided at the same time to post the same things so people would follow them? Now look also at the nature of the posts. What is discussed is almost identical. Both talk about Solarsail, and both conclude that he is not currently suspicious. Both also conclude that YourHarry is town. This point should bring up red flags on everyone’s radars, as this is simply not the prevailing viewpoint of the thread at the time, and they both give pretty weak reasoning for their conclusion. Both also discuss policy lurker lynching. Here, Ochrow FoS’s Archrun (in the same post), and thrawn FoS’s Archrun about two hours later. What are the odds that that many different topics were discussed by two people randomly at the exact same time without the help of a QT? I’d say pretty much none. I partially agree. SolarSail's defense seems reasonable, as does policy lynching. But the bit on YourHarry is just ridiculous. suddenly, out of the blue, YourHarry gives off a "town feel"? Their argument is based that YH's theory on gk and solar being masons makes sense, which, as I've stated earlier, I disagree, I think it's a stupid point which does not help (GK also agrees on this weakness later on in the post). The FOS on ArchRun is also equally suspicious. As I've stated before, there were equally suspicious lurkers, and Thrawn's arguments that "ArchRun's text was too suspicious" is even worse. ArchRun had three posts until that time, let's see what they were: + Show Spoiler +This is my first time playing, but I did read XXIII in preparation for this game and the policy seemed effective, because even if the scum is being active everyone has a a good sample of posts to analyze and hopefully make more accurate reads. As a Townee, I promote any policy that helps us catch scum, but we must back accusation up with evidence (which this policy should provided) and reason. On August 15 2012 10:20 Archrun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:11 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 15 2012 09:59 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 09:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
Does anyone have experience playing in a game where a serial killer was a possible role? If there did end up being a serial killer, how big a role did they play and how high would you rate the importance and achieveability of sniffing them out early? In other words, would it be a worthwhile use of the town's time and investigation to try to figure out who, if anyone, is the serial killer? I can see how it would be very important to find out who is SK early on, but I also can see how it might be way more difficult than figuring out who is mafia, and thus not a good use of time. One distinction between the serial killer and the mafia is that the mafia are in communication and will be working together while the serial killer is separated from both town and mafia. Any player who is suspected to be not of town affiliation could either be mafia or SK, so while in either case they are a good target for lynching, having knowledge of their actual role would be way more valuable than just an uninformed hit on a supposed non-town player.
If there isn't an SK, then this line of discussion is a complete waste of time and we would be doing the mafia's job for them, which is why I asked if anyone has experience in games with an SK so that we all can get a better idea of what the risk/reward anaylsis should be on determining whether or not and when to focus on a potential SK.
Concerning shady sand's post, this is my first game so I have no previous history to reference. Why are you so worried about the SK? SK is a bigger threat to scum than to town. I am not really worried, but am trying to learn from other people's experiences if there is any reason to worry. I thought I was pretty clear that I was undecided on the importance of SK, and that if SK is unimportant in D1 it's a complete waste of time to worry about it. My current opinion is that it is something to worry about, but not on D1. Therefore I'm not going to continue posting about it until something happens along the lines of way too many unexplained town deaths. To follow that point up, I feel like the scum threat is a lot stronger than SK because they are organized and know who to attack. A SK in my eyes is like a scum with only one person in it that can attack other scums independently. So if any exist in this game they shouldn't become an issue until later in the game. On August 15 2012 10:44 Archrun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:37 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made. Quick question: If you've never played with Solarsail before, how would you know whether his points are less or more articulate than they could be? Seconding your point on the profanities though. I think that the loss of articulation is inherent with any emotionally charged post, because it is harder to be swayed by emotional appeals when arguments are in written format and there is sufficient time to think about them. I don't think this point by thrawn has anything to do with knowing Solarsails meta. All he does is talk sillyness and make useless posts. Like I've said, Golbat and JHuyt ALSO makes useless posts. The only difference, is that Golbat and JHuyt bother making slight accusations, sheeping the lame and obvious arguments other people, especially Shady Sands, were also using (i.e. Solar Sail is not helping, YourHarry posts weird, yata yata). To me, however, those are equally useless posts, and you have to indeed be very very biased (or very very bad) to think the margin between what ArchRun was posting and what the other lurkers were posting would suffice to tunnel Archrun and not the other two. As you can see, he claims that Thrawn “copies him.” This is literally impossible as their post that was similar was posted at the exact same time. In other words, Ochrow is lying.
He also makes a few interesting points here about how YourHarry is still not scum, and also some wishy-washy stuff (that I have snipped out for clarity… I meant to put it back in but I have 8 mins to post this look at time stamp you can find the rest sorry guys…) about how he doesn’t think Shady is scum but wouldn’t mind voting him anyway. He also comments on a few lurkers, which is a pretty value-less thing that is easy for scum to do. In other words, he is not actively involved in the scum hunting.
But let me say this again, as it’s the most damning evidence against Ochrow:
OCHROW LIED TO US!!!!!!!!!
Another very good point. I've read before to see if there was any indication of Ochrow's point of view before that 5:27 post, and there wasn't. He either quickly dismissed saying the most obvious thing that came to mind, or this was a scumslip. I'd like to hear what he has to say, regarding this careless mistake. A townie Ochrow might have also made that mistake, by being careless, but like you said, the coincidence between him and thrawn is just too much. There is no doubt in my mind at this point that both Ochrow and Thrawn are scum. They associated with each other far too closely to not have shared a QT. On top of that instead of coming clean about it (or just not saying anything), as I’d suspect masons would, they turn around and lie about it to try to cover it up!
f before now you were to tell me I could get all three scum pegged in one day like this, I would never have believed you. With this evidence, I am confident thrawn, Ochrow, and YourHarry are all but “confirmed scum.” GG. Watch out buddy. This could very easily be considered a scumslip. Since I agree that your evidence is pretty strong, I will just interpret this as an use of expression. But only scum can say something like that for certain. Be careful when saying stuff like this...
My take on thrawn2112's situation
My certain conclusion, based on the rest of this post is this:
By golly, thrawn is a very very VERY bad player. If you read my analysis on the NK's and on GK's post, you'll see that no matter if he is scum or vigi or just regular townie, he is playing this very badly. I just can't pinpoint with extreme certainty whether he is a very bad scum or a very bad townie. I have a very strong inclination on a bad scum, because a scum thrawn who would kill mkfuba to try to escape in some WIFOM manner would seem to me less stupid than a Vigi thrawn, who with already so much pressure on him (before the nk i mean), would waste his ONLY bullet on such a CRAPPY hunch with so LITTLE evidence.
What I'm going to do now is read more carefully the DarthPunk x Thrawn exchange, which seemed to me a little edgy, and will see what sort of conclusions can come from this with a thrawn lynch. I haven't gone through DarthPunk's filter yet and I try to see if his conviction on thrawn is as clear as goodkarma's.
First, however, I will update my D1 suspicions on YourHarry, because his posting, however more frequent and more detailed, still seems to be filled with trashy talk and crappy arguments.
Anyways, due to what I have stated earlier, I think the best option right now is:
##Vote thrawn2112
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EBWOP:
When I say:
Watch out buddy. This could very easily be considered a scumslip. Since I agree that your evidence is pretty strong, I will just interpret this as an use of expression. But only scum can say something like that for certain. Be careful when saying stuff like this...
Understand, of course, that when I say "something like that", I mean saying that only scum can have so much conviction in a making a remark on peoples allegiances. Not that they are true, but I refer more to the tone in which it is said.
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@Thrawn:
I would like to thank you for not only providing a quality defense post, but also continuing on with the scumhunt. You have given me a lot to think about, and you can expect me to carefully consider your points in a follow-up post to your case I plan to write in the very near future.
@Ochrow:
You still haven't responded to my case post against you with any kind of analysis. It would be in your best interest to respond soon.
@Z-Boson:
You have some quality analysis of other people's posts (including my own) that you have spoilered. In the future, if you would kindly not spoiler them that would be great. People will look over the thread, and, some of them will be lazy and never see what you've said. And that really sucks because I feel what you have there is a significant contribution this thread could use right now.
And: @everyone:
I know that the Thrawn lynch has gathered quite a bit of support, but remember there is more than one scum. You have no reason to stop posting and pressuring your scum reads.
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