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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:49 Hopeless1der wrote: I'll post a last will before I die I guess. Fucking silly wagon. Absolutely retarded. There is no case on me. This is entirely based on the timing of my defense. How was there enough time to get ME lynched but not get people off of Mattchew? We don't know that there was, now do we? Also, your "I'm going to die" thoughts being "go fuck yourselves" sounds a lot scummier than someone who knows they'll flip blue leaving some food for thought after they do so. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
The timing on that weird mattchew defense is off, but ... the whole thing feels off. Working off of a comment WBG made about not liking to assume players are bad, you're assuming really bad play from Hopeless1der in my mind if he's scum based on that defense (I know that's not 100% of why people are voting him). There's too much of it, at an awkward time. It feels much more like an actual attempt to push votes because of how much stuff is there, rather than a defense in order to get town cred later. I'm alright with voting Misder, his last 2 posts are just big ol' blobs of town reads and thoughts never carried to their conclusion. Lots of wishy washy stuff, lots of outs for him to move votes later. There's really just nothing there. Haven't had time to fully read back over mattchew, dirkzor, wiggles. I remember not loving wiggles while halfway following along. Random side note, it appears that someone has got some nasty KP based on the BC kill: + Show Spoiler + On August 23 2012 20:19 deconduo wrote: BloodyC0bbler has been incinerated. You are Growlithe, a Fire type Pokemon. BC was fire-type. But BC's death flavor was "incinerated," which indicates a fire-type killed him, and | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
Read this earlier but don't have time to repsond. Memen mimics my own thoughts. This will come of as scummy as fuck but I really don't have time. Is at family dinner. ##Vote Misder I've had the feeling we've been looking the wrong places and now I feel we are looking the right ones. Biggest problem is if Misder (and/or hopeless if you guys switch to him) flips town we'll go back to discussing lynching me and mattchew again. Lets hope we are right together and Misder is scum. | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
From my previous post- + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 03:14 Misder wrote: I’m not convinced that VE is scum. I find this a bit more interesting (not really on VE): + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2012 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm actually down with policy-lynching grush. This is 100% super serious. JingleHell also wanted to lynch grush. However, he never actually voted for him and once VE got all this flak about policy lynching, he doesn’t back VE up nor say anything about it ever again. He then switches votes on imallinson. I don’t like this at all. FOS: JingleHell Following that- this post shows up: + Show Spoiler + This was before Toad had flipped scum/Meowth. This post looks innocent enough before the knowledge, since it was established early Day 1 that outing KP is pretty anti-town. However, in retrospect, it’s an easy way to take pressure off of his scumbuddy. + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 10:56 JingleHell wrote: Sorry my activity has been shit. My guts have been acting up, which has had me not interested in thinking much. Occupational hazard of crohn's. Anyways, I'm not comfortable with the people looking at VE because he's playing differently. He took a LOT of crap in Mad Men for his play, some based on meta. If a lot of people want him to play differently, and he's tired of being looked at the way he is, he might just try to play differently. I still like the idea of lynching Grush in absence of real reads, but maybe that's just a combination of me being vindictive and him being Grush. If we have a better target, obviously that would nullify it anyways. Second paragraph is pretty fishy. It’s like, don’t base reads on VE off of meta cause if VE is tired of playing the way he usually play, he’ll change. Ok, but VE established that it wasn’t because he was tired of his old playstyle that he’s pushing a policy lynch, but for the same reason that he, JingleHell, voted for grush. The fact that he didn’t make this connection at all means that he is either a) not really voting for grush because he’s plays anti-town or b) not actually paying attention to the thread, both being scummy. The third paragraph doesn’t help him either, as it seems like he’s going to back to defending that grush is a #1 lynch, even though on Day 1, Dirkzor had a case on him. Even Zephirdd, Drazerk, and VE. The only other person besides grush he posted an opinion on at all on Day 1 was allinson (remember, this post was during Night 1, after the lynch). The timing on this post makes him look even more red as right before this post, grush brings up my original fos on JingleHell about pushing a policy lynch but not actually voting. So now, it looks like JingleHell wrote that post up just to defend himself. + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 10:58 JingleHell wrote: EBWOP Grush snuck that in. If anyone I haven't suggested as a policy lynch wants to make a case against me that doesn't revolve around wanting to not read Grush's posts, I'll answer. His accusations are somewhere between a bad joke without a punchline and a half-assed OMGUS anyways. Ok, technically I didn’t make a case, but still, he should have seen the bolded fos on him from me if he was actually paying attention :/ The fact that he defends himself from grush by saying that grush is not worth his time is even more :/ And that’s what he does for 3 posts or so. On August 23 2012 01:36 JingleHell wrote: You seem awfully convinced for this early in the game. Where you getting the information? Firstly, this is not the first instance of someone making a definite claim on someone’s alignment. Secondly, it’s rolefishing. He even says later + Show Spoiler + On August 23 2012 01:56 JingleHell wrote: SnB's alignment. Treating anyone's alignment as definite based off of the minimal info we have is ridiculous for a townie. + Show Spoiler + On August 23 2012 03:10 JingleHell wrote: Since someone recently accused me of not scumhunting (because I asked them why they were doing something that's generally at best null, if not anti-town, no less) I decided to filter dive a bit. Speaking of not scum hunting... also, accusing someone of no reads when this is his most substantial post in the thread at the time is laughable. He wants VE to pick a fight, which is generally not good for town, and he's not sinking his teeth into anyone either. Oh. Tunneling the piss out of Drazerk, too. Whining about a vote on him, fits the trend of non-content posting. Starting to see a trend. Minimal content, wanting to sheep people. Usually scummy to want someone else to lead on cases. This doesn't need much talking about. More wanting to sheep and hide behind other players. Very early assertion of "definite town" on someone, which in this case would require information townies don't have. He claims it's based on other play, but I'd need confirmation of that from someone who knows it. Weak OMGUS finger-point at me that doesn't even make sense under the circumstances considering my "cop out" was to ask him why he did something that's generally scummy. So far, what looks like his most useful post. However… 1) His first line basically indicates that he hasn’t been looking at people’s filters until he was accused. 2) Him using the word “OMGUS” just gets on my nerves and makes me think he’s scum. I doubt this is even legit to say, but idk- thought I’d mention it. Though he did write a case on Mattchew. It would be way more impressive if it wasn’t such an easy target though. 3) Following that, if Mattchew ends up flipping scum, then JingleHell is basically confirmed town. On the other hand, if Mattchew ends up flipping town, it makes this case on him much stronger. 4) At least he put his vote on this guy! Though it was 3 hours after… + Show Spoiler + On August 23 2012 06:26 JingleHell wrote: Apparently I was wrong about Toad, though. Rat bastard scum. So, Kurumi, now that you were being chased by a confirmed scum, what's your thoughts? Any thoughts on my Mattchew case? Speaking of... ##Vote Mattchew Next couple posts he’s just being overly aggressive without actually saying anything. + Show Spoiler + On August 24 2012 01:07 JingleHell wrote: This contributes almost as much as the rest of your filter. Nothing. It casts doubts without analysis, without information, and makes association based on assumptions. Try doing something useful for a change. Heist’s post doesn’t cast doubt, the information that we had at the time was that a dayvig shot BC, and making association based on assumptions isn’t bad. Just seems like he wants to look like he’s contributing while not actually doing anything. Additionally, seems like JingleHell is scared that his Mattchew lynch won’t go through. + Show Spoiler + On August 24 2012 10:02 JingleHell wrote: What do you want me to do more of? I've contributed on Mattchew, and I haven't really got any other clear reads right now. So if I see someone say something that sounds scummy, I chip in, but I'm trying not to clutter the thread. By the way, if Mattchew used his KP, it didn't land on target, since he was confused, courtesy of yours truly, Magnemite. In fact, reading the flavor text, it may have inadvertently been the cause of death of Toad, going by the "shocking end" bit. I cause an ability to hit a random target. I'm not entirely sure why the flavor is different than that of a confused Pokemon hitting themselves, though. Due to the fact that this may sound slightly off, if you feel the need to flip me and make sure I'm telling the truth, just remember me when I'm gone and blue. Admittedly, at first, I found this claim a pretty strong town read and I wanted to wait to see if he makes any more mistakes before continuing on. (I know I said this claim was out of the blue before and that’s why I found it townish, but that was my bad getting the chronology wrong. I was reading only JingleHell’s filter at the time, and I guess I just got confused since I read it first even though Mattchew’s claim came first). After Memetoss pointed out my error, I rethought about it and it still leans towards a town, but much more null. Although as scum, there really wouldn’t be any point in telling us that he used his ability on Mattchew, he could have felt pressured to say so as if he didn’t say anything and people found out he was Magnemite, we would all know that he is scum. + Show Spoiler + On August 25 2012 02:09 JingleHell wrote: Misder, your timing is impeccable, showing up with a weak defense of, and vote on, Mattchew, doubts on me (when I've been after Mattchew)... especially when you talk about MY activity being scummy. Save yourself time and just claim red directly. Again, not paying attention at all. I never said anything about his acivity being scummy. So, basically, he’s defending himself by going aggressive on me without even looking at why I find him scummy… I’ll defend myself I guess, but there really isn’t much to say. Timing- yes. I’ll agree that if I really wanted to stop the lynch, I should have done it not couple hours before the deadline. And that I finally posted something after a pretty long time. If that makes me scummy, fine. Yes, I have been actively lurking. Sorry I wanted to write this all up in one post and got too lazy to finish it. + Show Spoiler + This is how my thought process works. The only thing really wishy-washy is who I want to vote for. I put Mattchew down because I really thought that my vote didn’t have any weight. That’s why I still put up my reads in that post anyways, because I knew my vote itself didn’t explain anything at all. The association between me, grush, and Hopeless1der is ridiculous. On the Hopeless1der bandwagon: I guess I didn’t touch on this before but, he doesn’t look scummy at all. Like, the reason why he’s being called scum is the same reason I’m getting called scum… All in all, I would put my vote on JingleHell if I didn’t want Hopeless1der to die. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
It's basically: -Look at how he (didn't) breadcrumb his shot! -I bet he misunderstood the mechanics! (something you can't know) -His claim that does nothing to reveal his alignment is justified! -BC said he was town! Sheep BC! It was never a particularly good defense to begin with =/ | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
1: Why are you pointing out how long it took me to vote Mattchew after posting a case? The vote happened RIGHT AFTER THE DAYPOST. I made the case during the night. 2: In what retarded world does my roleclaim, which prevented Mattchew from being lynched for lying about his KP, somehow make me scum? Scum are dancing to the tune, turn up the heat. Hopeless and Misder at a minimum, probably Grush as well. | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On August 25 2012 04:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Do you actually believe your defense though Hopeless? It's basically: -Look at how he (didn't) breadcrumb his shot! -I bet he misunderstood the mechanics! (something you can't know) -His claim that does nothing to reveal his alignment is justified! -BC said he was town! Sheep BC! It was never a particularly good defense to begin with =/ Yes I actually believe my defense, or I wouldn't have posted it. I'd have ended up voting Mattchew. - His shot wasn't explicitly breadcrumbed, but his motive and intentions behind his claim (shoot you, lynch dirk, shoot you again) are very clearly in his filter. - No, I can't know he misunderstood, but it lends further credence to the idea that he thought he had to shoot you twice. - No claim can 'reveal' alignment. His posts and his play make sense to me based on the ability he's described in his claim. - Part of Mementoss' case was based on BC finding a scumslip. Meme tried to sheep BC one way, I read into BC's filter and he went on to say that he thought Matt was bad town, despite the fact that he'd just identified a scumslip. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On August 25 2012 04:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Do you actually believe your defense though Hopeless? It's basically: -Look at how he (didn't) breadcrumb his shot! -I bet he misunderstood the mechanics! (something you can't know) -His claim that does nothing to reveal his alignment is justified! -BC said he was town! Sheep BC! It was never a particularly good defense to begin with =/ did you read my posts? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
##Unvote: Mr.Wiggles ##Vote: Misder | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
and would someone be alerted they were shot, even if they are a vet and wiggles why has no one claimed the hit on toad then? | ||
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Kurumi
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Kurumi
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On August 25 2012 04:20 Mattchew wrote: would a med saved person be alerted they were saved? and would someone be alerted they were shot, even if they are a vet and wiggles why has no one claimed the hit on toad then? What are you talking about? | ||
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Hopeless1der
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