EPTYou mean your code is hidden in your D&D post?
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YourHarry
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You mean your code is hidden in your D&D post? | ||
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YourHarry
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Thanks much <3 | ||
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YourHarry
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On August 09 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote: I surprisingly agree with this - if town Harry behaves scummy, and if scum Harry behaves scummy, we might be better of without him no? + Show Spoiler + I'm joking of course, but given how much thought YourHarry put into his scum play for the last two days, I have high expectations of him if he's town. Yeah I'm more or less hoping to hear some policy talk from the newer guys, but I'm also interested in hearing how effective people thought the Day 1 policy was. To me, this is the epitome of town tell. I am almost sure that Hapah is town after this post. He was very adamant last game in disagreeing with iamperfection. Iamperfection argued that I might as well be lynched because I am a bad player and will confuse townies. Hapha was strongly against this - it seemed as if Hapha was disgusted at the thought of justifying lynching a bad townie. Scum hapha would have wanted to avoid confrontation. At least, it would have crossed his mind that people may find him suspicious for shifting his philosophy regarding lynching a scummy townie. I believe that scum Hapha would have argued that lynching a bad townie is still bad - especially when the memory of Hapha strongly disagreeing with iamperfection's justification of lynching me for being incoherent and confusing is obviously fresh in everyone's mind. Thus, I have a strong townie read on Hapha. | ||
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YourHarry
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On August 09 2012 10:25 iamperfection wrote: Why do you think its necessary? I think you can contribute a lot more with just some staight up logic no? It didn't do so well in xxi I dream of catching scums by trolling. Spam the wall with incoherent "YOU ARE SCUM CAUGHT!! ROFLM LYNCH WITH FIRE/" What should sounds like zero-substance BS to innocent townies, could sound like an actual case to guilty scums. As long as I throw in there something that could resemble something of a case. That is my dream. One day... | ||
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YourHarry
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YourHarry
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This game though, it just took one post for me to trust you.  | ||
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YourHarry
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Calgar, agreed? | ||
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YourHarry
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On August 09 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote: I surprisingly agree with this - if town Harry behaves scummy, and if scum Harry behaves scummy, we might be better of without him no? | ||
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YourHarry
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I mixed up Calgar and Hapha, LOL. I meant to say, "Hapha, agreed?" @mkfuba Do you agree that Hapha is most-likely town? Your last post, though, is basically a fluff and it also makes me wonder how you possibly missed Hapha's change in stance against lynching me. Did you draw scum again? | ||
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YourHarry
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On August 09 2012 14:22 Axero wrote: That doesn't mean Hapa is a townie. Scum know who eachother are, therefore Hapa could know your alignment and could be setting you up to get lynched. It's a good way to shift focus to someone else while also seeming like a townie. It is also possible that they are both scum. Setting someone up as a sacrifice to ensure everyone views the other as a townie would seem like a very effective strategy. Just my two cents. (Post made from mobile so apologies for lack of quotes) I bolded your post for empahsis. Here is a funny anecdote. When the game started, I decided not to open the role PM until I made a few posts just in case I drew scum again. I thought if I didn't know I was scum, I would not have made scum slips or give away any scum tells. So, not knowing my alignment, I began posting my reads based on what few posts were there at the time. I felt good about my town read on Hapha and even started wondering that maybe I should not have posted pro-town information (that Hapha is town) because there was a chance that I drew scum again. This is when I had the exact same thought as you, Axero. Hapha's sudden change of stance may reflect his scum-slip intention to semi-bus me, his scum partner. But upon checking my PM, I obviously realized this wasn't the case. BTW, I am trying to use this as an absolute proof that I am town. I could easily have made up this story as scum, but I just thought this was interesting. (And hopefully, some of you out there will buy this story, LOL). Since then, I realized that I missed something from Hapha's initial post. So more or less, I am withdrawing my town-read from Hapha. | ||
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YourHarry
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Exactly. I wanted Hapha to bring this up first, but since you brought it up first, I will say it. I indeed missed the part where Hapha said he was joking. I actually did read the spoiler, but I mistakenly thought that Hapha was quoting someone else. It wasn't until a few minutes ago that I realized that the content inside the spoiler probably came from Hapha. Obviously, now, I take back my town read on Hapha. I don't know why Hapha didn't correct me regarding this when I first posted my town reads on him. Slightly suspicious of Hapha, because of it. Waiting for him to reply. | ||
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I don't buy your case against Lvdr. While, whether one-liner posts without any logical explanations is beneficial to town in the early stages of the game is up for an argument, I do not think scums have tendency to post such one liners. I (though may be an exception) tend to post bunch of trolling one-liners as town (see my previous 2 games). Second, his read that both "me and Hapha are both scums or both towns" seems to be based on some logic. I agree that maybe he could have posted a quick explanations behind his read, but allowing some time for people to think about how Lvdr arrived at such conclusion could be good for town. In this case, he could have may be said "Discuss" or something. But as you mentioned, NEITHER town or scum has a motivation to post random suspicions. Add the fact that he was drunk... I fail to see scummy reads from Lvdr. Now, take Lvdr's last quote: "More plausible than yh then?" In context, Lvdr was simply asking Hapha for his opinions on who he thinks is scummier, me or Lvdr. If Lvdr indeed thought that Hapha and I were scums together, I can imagine Lvdr's intention to confirm this read based on Hapha's response. And, mkfuba, by your putative "scum motivation" do you mean Lvdr is actively trying to confuse town by posting incoherent one liners? If so, I find it hard to imagine scums methodically engineering incoherent one liners to confuse town. In summary, I accuse you of possibly attempting to endorse/set-up Lvdr bandwagon by fabricating evidence from bunch one-liners posted when he was drunk. | ||
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On August 09 2012 15:00 mkfuba07 wrote: Sorry, getting mega ninja'd over here. YourHarry: I don't see why I should have assumed you misread anything. I was unsure if it was my own inability to comprehend how you came to your conclusion or some mistake on your part that was causing me to not come to the same conclusion. In order to find out which was the case, I needed to verify that I was understanding your argument correctly and ask for a clarification of your evidence, because I didn't see any. I did note the possibility that you missed, or pretended to miss, the spoiler, but if you intentionally left it out then I wasn't giving you a "get out of false claim free" card. The way in which you explain and compensate for that mistake is information, just as much as the presence of the mistake itself. OK. I don't think you noted the possibility that I missed the spoiler. This came after I revealed that I indeed missed something from Hapha's post. I want to know when you first asked me for the evidence, if it crossed your mind that I simply may have missed the spoiler or not. | ||
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Is it acceptable to take into consideration personal coaching experiences to speculate players that are being coached? Some good discussion going. I also want to point out the lurkers in this game. If you are not going to be active, please replace out. Axero, if you are going too busy to invest considerable efforts in this game, please replace out. Goodkarma, put more thoughts into your post. And not having anything to add to the discussion is not an excuse. There are always rooms for contribution. Keep reading, repeatedly if needed, until you do. I will be back in a bit to post my thoughts. Also would really like the moderator to allow speculation on who is being coached. As far as I am concerned, scums can lie about their coaching situation, so anything should go. | ||
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YourHarry
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You still haven't contributed much to this game. Your only content post is this: On August 09 2012 14:22 Axero wrote: That doesn't mean Hapa is a townie. Scum know who eachother are, therefore Hapa could know your alignment and could be setting you up to get lynched. It's a good way to shift focus to someone else while also seeming like a townie. It is also possible that they are both scum. Setting someone up as a sacrifice to ensure everyone views the other as a townie would seem like a very effective strategy. Just my two cents. (Post made from mobile so apologies for lack of quotes) Let's suppose that Hapa did not include the spoiler that he was joking. Let's also suppose that I am town. Do you think Hapa would directly contradict his previous stance on lynching a bad townie in order to "set me up to be lynched"? Here is your other post that is purely based on your imagination: On August 10 2012 09:28 Axero wrote: FOS Hapa I've actually been pretty busy since the game started, but no I haven't made many posts. I'm sorting out my feelings on people and as this is my first game it's taking me some time to get used to it. However you are very quick to point to several people. The feeling I'm getting from you is that you're only being active to avoid suspicion. Seems like you're over doing it a little bit. Might be a snap reaction but it is how I feel at this point in the game. It is possible that Hapa is scum. But the fact that he is being active does not increase that chance. He has been active as townie before, and whether or not he is actively trying to match that meta is unclear. But let's suppose Hapa is scum. Who do you think are his scum partners? Who do you think can be cleared as town? | ||
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YourHarry
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Have you ever been coached as town? If so, you don't feel the vibes that at least one of the players is being coached currently? Also, regarding your case on Axero: Link 1: He continues to lurk and I would be willing to place my vote on Axero for the policy reason. Link 2: I personally don't think it is out of question for scums to bus each other on day 1. I can imagine townies being paranoid of such instances. Lvdr, who I think is town, also posited the possibility that we are scums together. Link 3: I agree with you that Axero's case has no substance. Scums, when pressured to give reads, may grasp at whatever straw to fabricate a case, just to fit-in as a townie. While he may be correct that you, Hapa, is actively trying to convince us that you are a pro-town player, there is no evidence for this. At least, he does not provide any. And since logical errors are not necessarily a scum tell, I am hesitant to sheep you here that Axero is scum. Also, I wonder if scum Axero would have chosen you, Hapa, as one of his scum suspects. It seems that he could have readily sheep-ed existing cases or picked on one of the lurkers. Link 4: I have heard/read from multiple people that advertising newbiness is a town tell. But don't newb towns also bring up their newbiness, when being pressured? (Has he done this excessively? I didn't think this gave me any scum vibes) In addition, he said he was "coached". Knowing that scums in this game are being coached by marvelosity, I wonder if scum would have readily used the word "coached" when he simply meant that his friend told him to check the PM. WIFOM? Maybe, but I am inclined to think that self-guilt would have made scum Axero think twice. | ||
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YourHarry
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On August 09 2012 19:18 mkfuba07 wrote: As I said, if I had told you "I think you missed this spoiler" then your response could have simply been "Oh, I did miss that spoiler. Sorry about that!" I did that in the Prom case from last game. In an attempt to get as much information flowing into the game as possible, I wanted to discover whether or not you intentionally "misread". I don't know why you would, but that doesn't mean that you don't have a reason to do so. When I asked for evidence from you, my three options were (not in a particular order): 1. I was misunderstanding the post 2. You were intentionally misrepresenting the post 3. You made a mistake in the post If I misunderstood the post, you would clarify it. If you made a mistake, you would either find the mistake immediately or try to clarify it. If you intentionally misrepresented the post, you would almost definitely notice your "mistake" right away. Since you then clarified it and I had not actually misunderstood the post, I feel confident in saying that you simply made a mistake and there was nothing malicious behind it. On August 09 2012 15:00 mkfuba07 wrote: Sorry, getting mega ninja'd over here. YourHarry: I don't see why I should have assumed you misread anything. I was unsure if it was my own inability to comprehend how you came to your conclusion or some mistake on your part that was causing me to not come to the same conclusion. In order to find out which was the case, I needed to verify that I was understanding your argument correctly and ask for a clarification of your evidence, because I didn't see any. I did note the possibility that you missed, or pretended to miss, the spoiler, but if you intentionally left it out then I wasn't giving you a "get out of false claim free" card. The way in which you explain and compensate for that mistake is information, just as much as the presence of the mistake itself. So you were testing me? I accept the logic behind not clarifying right away. It was a superior move, than to simply point out the spoiler that I missed. You could have possibly caught the scum this way. But the thing is: I don't believe you. If you are town, given the context of our posts, your primary goal should have been to determine if my clearance of Hapa as town is merit worthy. And this goal is apparent in your post. And yes, it is possible that in addition to your trying to determine whether Hapa is indeed town, that you were also testing me. But wouldn't you say it is too unnatural and methodical to be a simple townie wanting a clarification? Instead, it could be that your post was based on your scum motive to fit as a townie (and possibly to frame me based on according to my response). And your perfectly logical explanation behind your actions was custom designed only in afterthought. (I admit. I have no meta evidence to support this. I do not know how you play as town. I could simply be wrong in not giving you enough credit. But having played on the same scum team with you, I do know that scum mkfuba is capable of framing logical reasons around his earlier actions. More of the same, bolded for emphasis: On August 09 2012 18:51 mkfuba07 wrote: I apologize about the length, I've been thinking about this for hours XD I've already addressed this in my previous post, but I felt like that was already answered by Hapa. After considering it, I will definitely admit that I made some assumptions about Hapa which carried over into my read on Lvdr. I made an assumption that Hapa would not be suspicious of you, as you hadn't done anything overtly suspicious up to that point, and from what little I know of him from the last two days he doesn't cry scum without a reason. I then assumed that Lvdr would come to the same conclusion. This was a mistake and you can infer from it what you will, but it doesn't hurt my overall read. Your claim that you made these assumptions (which you claim you made when you initially found Lvdr suspicious), again, appear to be something you fictionalized to explain your earlier actions. None of these assumptions are actually mentioned in your initial case against Lvdr. ##Vote mkfuba | ||
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