Newbie Mini Mafia XXII - Page 52

On August 06 2012 07:10 Ange777 wrote:
So if you have been avidly following my conversation with DarthPunk you will probably have realized we don't really see eye to eye. Now I am going to give him another reason to disagree with me. I am proposing to lynch DarthPunk first instead of Jingle.

You might think that it does seem like an aweful OMGUS vote after I have been vividly arguing with DarthPunk but OMGUS isn't about WHO you vote, it's about HOW you vote them. A vote is only OMGUS if you're voting them BECAUSE they voted you. If you vote them for a well-thought-out reason, even if they also voted you, then it's not OMGUS.

Let's first go through the reasons why I wanted to vote him anyway:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=353315&currentpage=48#945

1. During the Zork lynch discussion DarthPunk repeatedly soft-defended Zork, pushed Mordanis as lynch candidate and proposed to lynch aRyuujin instead of Zork.
2. He switches votes very conveniently at around the same time when Zork fake claims medic. I believe that scum decided in their QT to concede to the Zork lynch.

Instead of really defending himself against my accusations DarthPunk makes a huge WIFOM explanation and decides to paint me scummy by saying I set him up with a trap. He denies me any kind of town motivation for pointing out Zork's scumslip. Yet he was happy to give Zork the benefit of doubt until last minute even though many people pointed out his scum behaviour.

I see a clear scum motivation for his behaviour:

1. Save Zork and mislynch Mordanis (or aRyuujin at least) instead
2. When there is no way to save Zork, switch the vote before Zork's claim to get a bit of town cred
3. Discredit me as I am the most active power behind his lynch and mislynch me instead

With him being called out as scum by several people DarthPunk is just flailing around desperately trying to shift the attention to someone, anyone besides himself. He didn't even give us any other reads besides me. I can only repeat it: This is no pro town play! DarthPunk, I'd really like to congratulate you for writing the best case on yourself -> your own filter!

So why lynch DarthPunk before Jingle?

After all this discussion I am even more convinced of him being scum than I am of Jingle. I made the case on Jingle because there was no town motivation for his awful play. If he isn't just simply bad he must be scum. However this case against DarthPunk is based on his clear scum motivation and not based on the lack of town motivation. To make it clear: If I am 99% convinced that Jingle is scum, than I am 100% convinced that DarthPunk is scum.

In my opinion we can not let him get away with this!

##Unvote
##Vote DarthPunk

On August 06 2012 07:31 DarthPunk wrote:


OK all 3 of those points I have covered already. If you are refusing to see the reasoning behind it. Now you are saying that because I did not present cases that you asked for I am scum? I said I would be out of the thread for 12 hours as I was sleeping. So you ask me a question after i have said that and use my lack of response that you were aware of as I said I was sleeping so now there is no motivation for jingles play? you have said that there was scum motivation for jingles play for the past 2 days and now there is no motivation? You realise that was my issue with the jingle case right?

1. if not for you baiting me. I would NEVER have said anything in order to 'save zork'
2. I did not see zorks claim. I was simply fulfilling my promise to stop a no lynch.
3. I know I am town. So if as town I am put into a situation where I was clearly trapped. Then I am obviously going to come after that person.

addendum: So now that I know what you are up to I will say this. TOWN: when I flip green can you please do something about this guy. I don't mind dying as long as it helps us win the game.

On August 06 2012 07:40 Obvious.660 wrote:

@Darth
I'm with you on this particular thing. Seems like a lot of work to go through for scum to get one mislynch so I'm not ready to call Ange scummy. You're partially at fault for perpetuating the argument, but I see your defense is transparent and ringing true, so I'm calling it two misguided townies aimed at each other. I suggest you both drop this for now, because it's been going nowhere for at least 12 hours, and start looking elsewhere.

@Ange you'll have to make a better case than that to convince me that anyone is more scummy than Jingle.

On August 06 2012 06:33 aRyuujin wrote:
Expect Goodkarma to paint me as 100% scum #3, he's been tunneling me literally all game long

On August 06 2012 07:45 DarthPunk wrote:


I would drop it but I have clearly explained the above points and people continue to bring them up against me. Should I not correct them?

On August 06 2012 07:10 Ange777 wrote:
1. During the Zork lynch discussion DarthPunk repeatedly soft-defended Zork, pushed Mordanis as lynch candidate and proposed to lynch aRyuujin instead of Zork.
2. He switches votes very conveniently at around the same time when Zork fake claims medic. I believe that scum decided in their QT to concede to the Zork lynch.

Instead of really defending himself against my accusations DarthPunk makes a huge WIFOM explanation and decides to paint me scummy by saying I set him up with a trap. He denies me any kind of town motivation for pointing out Zork's scumslip. Yet he was happy to give Zork the benefit of doubt until last minute even though many people pointed out his scum behaviour.

On August 06 2012 07:48 Obvious.660 wrote:

My last post towards aRyuujin was completely disregarded. Where the hell does this post come from?

The only town motivation I can see for aRyuujin to come into the thread pointing out that GK has been "tunneling" him the entire game is that he's been essentially inactive for most of the game and it's self preservation for the sake of the town. That said, there's nothing coming from aRyuujin that's showing me he's town.

Yes, GK's earlier play was easily characterized as primarily anti-lurker. GK was mentioning aRyuujin a lot during his anti-lurker posts. I wouldn't call that "tunneling" since it's stating the obvious.

As for aRyuujin, expect a follow-up post on him within the next twelve hours. Unfortunately, something else has come up and I won't be able to post some additional impressions on him I had planned to right away.

On August 06 2012 08:45 aRyuujin wrote:


...
If by your last post you mean this? + Show Spoiler +
I honestly don't know what to tell you. Your read on me is that I'm scum faking as a bad town who turned into a bad scum while still having this genius bad town fake. This seems like a logical read /sarcasm. People LYNCH bad townies (you yourself said something to that extant.) When I saw that post, I thought you were just joking, I didn't realize that was your actual analysis.

Now at DP:

+ Show Spoiler +

You're saying that I jumped on the Jingle/DP bandwagon? Look at the thread. I'm pretty sure I was the first to point at that BOTH of you are scum working together. Actually, I think I'm also the first to really say you're scum. Another thing to note is your usage of these heavily negative connoted words, like 'blatantly plagiarized'. You're bringing up Obvious' HOLY FUCK YOU NEED TO GET LYNCHED big red signpost. You're starting to get emotional, defensive, and are now striking back at your accusers. Another sign of scum. You're continuing to follow the pattern of behavior that Ange set out, even ignoring Jingle to make me your number 1 target.
Sorry, DP, but you're digging yourself deeper and deeper into your hole.

@Ange: As I said earlier, I'm certain that it's Jingle/DP as remaining scum. However, I think its important to lynch Jingle first, as that's what Shady wants us to do, and he's our biggest townie right now. I'll vote Darthpunk if town decides that we're going with him, but as of now I plan to vote Jingle today and DP tomorrow.

On August 06 2012 08:58 aRyuujin wrote:
Something else I'd like to note is that throughout the game, my main supporters have been Keirathi (mason who was NKd) and Promethelax (townie who was lynched the day I missed).
      Why would scum me NK Keirathi? Seems kind of dumb if you ask me. Especially when noone but Shady knew he was mason, and he wasn't scumhunting very heavily.
      Now, let's pretend for a minute that I'm scum following the plan that Obvious laid out for me. Why would I sit back and let Promethelax get lynched? as a supporter of mine, it would make a lot more sense to keep him alive.

On August 06 2012 08:58 aRyuujin wrote:
In my eyes, you're just driving yourself deeper into red territory now.

On August 06 2012 08:58 aRyuujin wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

I'd actually like to point out that my main accusers have been GK (all game long) and Shady Sands (Fairly recently).
I'm only now getting annoyed with GK, and of course neither scum nor town me would accuse Shady.
However, the supposed striking back at you that you say I'm doing... actually began BEFORE you accused me. Pretty weird how that works, huh... In my eyes, you're just driving yourself deeper into red territory now.

Something else I'd like to note is that throughout the game, my main supporters have been Keirathi (mason who was NKd) and Promethelax (townie who was lynched the day I missed).
      Why would scum me NK Keirathi? Seems kind of dumb if you ask me. Especially when noone but Shady knew he was mason, and he wasn't scumhunting very heavily.
      Now, let's pretend for a minute that I'm scum following the plan that Obvious laid out for me. Why would I sit back and let Promethelax get lynched? as a supporter of mine, it would make a lot more sense to keep him alive.

On August 06 2012 10:03 Obvious.660 wrote:

aRyuujin, you still there? Today's your day, mate. DarthPunk wants your case against him, and I'd welcome any contributions you have to helping us figure out who is scum. That's the whole reason I built a case against you, if you haven't noticed. You've posted a few times today, what can a case or two hurt to add?