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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:49 Risen wrote: Lol did anyone bother reading the OP? First, gonzaw plays dumb with my cop reveal, now he's playing dumb with the miller thing. So scummy wtf... Miller thing? I ctrl+f'd miller on this page and the only result was your post just now mentioning it? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:55 Keirathi wrote: Miller thing? I ctrl+f'd miller on this page and the only result was your post just now mentioning it? Mason. Damnit I'm bad with words this game. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
I think he meant mason. I want some questions answered Are masons guaranteed to come in pairs of twos? Can you please provide a specific description of the mafia framer role? Can framers self-target? Can they target their scumbuddies? Can they both frame and kill in the same night? Can there possibly be two godfathers in this setup? Is it possible to have both a framer and a godfather in the same setup? I'll respond to gonzaw's questions about miltonkram next. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
I think he should at least answer the framer question. And he told us there was 50% chance of SK (which he really did not have to do) so maybe he can tell us about the possible mafia roles. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:07 sciberbia wrote: @Risen I think he should at least answer the framer question. And he told us there was 50% chance of SK (which he really did not have to do) so maybe he can tell us about the possible mafia roles. I'm assuming you read the OP and now know there has to be another mason. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
I think that miltonkram is town. I don't like how suspiciously quiet he is being, but nothing in his filter causes me too much distress. He voices suspicions of both s0Lstice and talismania D1. talis is now confirmed scum and I have a feeling s0Lstice is as well. His meta accusation of me seems reasonable. I like that he is not hopping on the Mattchew bandwaggon because I think mattchew is town. Seriously, there is like direct correlation in this thread between a player's own scuminess and their confidence that Mattchew is scum. Makes me feel even better about him. I highly doubt that miltonkram is the best lynch today regardless of whether or not I was RB'd last night, so I'm not going to say until at least after scum has chosen their next NK. I'm feeling really torn up right now. I definitely do not want to lynch Mattchew or Keirathi today. My top 3 suspects, far and away, are s0Lstice, gonzaw, and Risen. gonzaw: I've covered a lot already. s0Lstice: I haven't really covered, but his interactions with talis are quite sketchy and some of his arguments this game have not been nearly as good as I am used to seeing. Also his townread of gonzaw on D1 reminds me of talis. Also he is hopping on the mattchew bandwaggon now risen: seriously questionable cop claim in addition to slipping the word 'bus' when talking about his accusation of gonzaw And for some reason all 3 of them want Mattchew dead and trust risen as cop. Since the beginning of the day, gonzaw looks slightly less scummy to me. I'm really not that confident he is mafia. I might feel better about s0Lstice. I think I'm gonna go write a case on s0Lstice and see how persuasive I find it. Even if I find s0Lstice scummy though, does it really make sense to lynch him today if we have a claimed cop with an inno on him? I can't see us ever losing this game to a risen + s0Lstice scumteam. Gah I just don't know. You'll hear more from me soon about s0Lstice Sorry -- I'm a little outta sorts right now. 18 hours to the lynch and I'm really not sure what to do... | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
I wasn't making a definitive list of people that trust your cop claim. I'm like 50/50 on your cop claim myself right now. Also, I was behind the times on s0Lstice. I was thinking about his post where he was like 'this looks like exactly how risen would play blue'. But he has apparently changed his opinion since then and didn't really explain why. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:49 Risen wrote: Lol did anyone bother reading the OP? First, gonzaw plays dumb with my cop reveal, now he's playing dumb with the miller thing. So scummy wtf... ...wut Are you fucking kidding me? The OP says there are 2 masons, only 1 mason flipped. Both masons are confirmed town to each other, I want to have a confirmed town here to make better sense of the situation. What the fuck are you accusing me of? On July 19 2012 12:57 Risen wrote: Gonzaws super soft defense of Keir with a far out case makes him a viable partner for Keir IMO. I still think drop is more likely than gonzaw but I'm convinced that two of Keir/drop/Gonzaw are scum now. It's not "soft" defense, it's a defense, period. I think he's town and is interacting with people like town. I could only see more experienced players (as scum) keep up with the level of activity and discussion Keirathi has kept up with. His vote on sciberbia on D2 was weird to me....but I thought that if he was actually scumbuddies with talis he would have bussed him at that point, not try to justify where to put his vote which would have still meant talis was lynched Like, if he had tried to convince me talis was town or he wanted to NL (like solstice did), then yes it could make sense, but he didn't, and I don't really see him voting sciberbia there as scum, and would have either tried to NL or just bus talis Also now that I read his filter he seems more townie. I dunno it's the tone of his posts and shit (I think I posted about this already) | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I take it you think solstice+Risen are the scum team then? solstice can't be scum with Risen being town. The thing about Milton is that yes, he's too quiet. His filter is only 2 pages long for christs sake, plus: On July 19 2012 08:07 Miltonkram wrote: I need to backtrack a bit. I find Keirathi's "giving up" post extremely scummy. If he were town I think he would continue to try and push a Risen lynch for the reasons he has claimed, to either hit scum or get close-to-confirmed town players. Keirathi giving up does nothing to help town or help us figure out whether Risen is truly a cop or not. Because of this, the only motivation I can see for Keirathi "giving up" is as a gambit to get town players to view him as town. Furthermore the timing is off. Keirathi gives up when there is still plenty of time to pursue cases. I've seen plenty of town players give up close to the deadline, but never 24 hours before it. This makes me think Keirathi's frustration is a ploy. Where did his suspicion of Risen's cop claim go? He states "I would rather Risen not be biased and tunneling me and not trying to find the real scum." It seems like he's treating Risen as if he knows Risen is town. If Keirathi is town, he would pursue a case against Risen harder and search for reasons to distrust Risen's cop-claim. I don't think he's come up with any decent reasons not to trust the claim. I'm not done reading Keirathi's filter, but this screams scum to me. ##Vote: Keirathi He thinks Keiarathi is scum only because of his "gave up" post? What about his play before? That isn't Keirathi's 1st post at all. Not only that parts of this case seem kind of forced, like that "if Keirathi was town he'd search for more reasons to distrust Risen's claim" which I don't really get makes Keirathi scum. I dunno but this seemed like a shitty reason to justify his vote, specially with all the stuff about me, Mattchew, and hell even the stuff said about Keirathi on day 1. Hmm...I'm thinking about a Risen lynch more and more. I'm scared of him making a senseless play as scum that may actually work by fake-claiming cop like this (and doing the whole "gonzaw wagon" thing), specially with him wanting to lynch Keirathi for shitty reasons without even reading his filter or anything (like Milton up there). I'll reconsider and read his filter though. I still want to know wtf Dropbear plans to do this game | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
I certainly hope when the game ends that he has a good explanation, but right now its just frustrating. Even just 1 confirmed townie makes a huge difference in the way this day plays out. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:57 Risen wrote: Gonzaws super soft defense of Keir with a far out case makes him a viable partner for Keir IMO. I still think drop is more likely than gonzaw but I'm convinced that two of Keir/drop/Gonzaw are scum now. what happened to mattchew + gonzaw being scumbuddies? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:41 gonzaw wrote: It would also make sense from a balance aspect. If Risen and Milton are scum, then there would only be 1/2 Masons (really, if no mason claims soon I'll assume there was only 1 mason and austin lied for some reason when he died), meaning scum would need to have 2 Goons (since town have little blues) based on the "similar" C9+ setup (even if it's not exactly like C9+, it's similar, if town has more blues scum have more powers, if town has less blues scum have less power), meaning they don't have a RBer. We have 3 lynches to catch 1 scum right? Mattchew->Milton->Risen (if Milton flips scum) would be a good "lynch sequence" I think. Oh forgot about Dropbear. Aw damn now I need to reread his filter  ##unvote ##vote: gonzaw You deserve this lynch, town OR scum. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
I don't think DropBear is scum. He attacked talismania fairly early on D1. Talismania attacked him too. It's possible that they were bussing each other early, but I find it extremely unlikely. Because of that I'm giving DropBear the BOTD. @ Gonzaw I have a small filter because I've been busy. If you've looked through my filter you'd notice that I had to help my father move. The move happened rather suddenly so I wasn't able to budget time in for this game, hence me missing the vote D2. I'm doing my best to catch up and contribute today, but there is a lot of posts to wade through. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:30 sciberbia wrote: what happened to mattchew + gonzaw being scumbuddies? I can't justify anything on him based purely on meta like I am. After I die tonight it will be up to remaining town to correctly find scum and I don't think my suspicions contribute anything to the discussion. Also, it happened. Lost my cool. Mission failed. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:38 Risen wrote: Also, it happened. Lost my cool. Mission failed. A valiant effort. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:37 Miltonkram wrote: @ Risen I don't think DropBear is scum. He attacked talismania fairly early on D1. Talismania attacked him too. It's possible that they were bussing each other early, but I find it extremely unlikely. Because of that I'm giving DropBear the BOTD. @ Gonzaw I have a small filter because I've been busy. If you've looked through my filter you'd notice that I had to help my father move. The move happened rather suddenly so I wasn't able to budget time in for this game, hence me missing the vote D2. I'm doing my best to catch up and contribute today, but there is a lot of posts to wade through. Can you tell me why Keirathi is scum based on his whole play this game? You just voted him for that one post... why? | ||
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