Bureaucracy Mafia!

On July 10 2012 08:48 Chezinu wrote:
Hey Guys, I'm Chezinu!

On July 16 2012 21:13 marvellosity wrote:


So you're proposing a plan you admit has a lower chance of lynching mafia than analysis. Fabulous.

On July 16 2012 22:31 sandroba wrote:
to add something to this very good and thought out out case, who the fuck looks at their previous post and slides in a comment about it's shortness. You guess correctly: mafia.

On July 16 2012 22:12 Palmar wrote:
note to self: sandroba confirmed scum.

It's ok, we can deal with that later.

On July 17 2012 00:00 Palmar wrote:
I hate you guys.

On July 17 2012 00:03 marvellosity wrote:
##Unvote

Seems you're going to play somewhat sensibly, Kurumi

On July 17 2012 00:06 HiroPro wrote:
That's why I want the random lynch to be right before the half-cycle

On July 17 2012 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, so far we have pseudo-scumhunting by most, RL by Palmar (:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO) and Chezinu is a mad detective. Syllo wants to lynch Prob, marvel misses me and QbZ is sinani?

Did I miss anything gravely important before I post like...opinions?

On July 17 2012 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Hey Palmar, is marvellosity scum?

On July 17 2012 02:10 Katina wrote:
Almost forgot

##Vote Palmar

On July 17 2012 02:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Palmar since you're here you and I are going to play a lighting round.

Marvellosity
Blazinghand
Rastaban
Supersoft

Scum or town, go.

On July 17 2012 02:36 sandroba wrote:
Man I want to kill so many people right now. 1 lynch just doesn't seem enough this game.

On July 17 2012 02:37 sandroba wrote:

You are wrong. Katina alignment is non conclusive right now. Move on to palmar/mz/bh.

On July 17 2012 03:25 GGQ wrote:


My experience playing scum in two Sleeper Cell games tells me that this is the opposite of true. If you aren't burdened by knowledge of your teammates, it's much easier to come out strong on day 1.

On July 17 2012 03:36 GGQ wrote:


wtf are you talking about?

On July 17 2012 04:52 supersoft wrote:
kurumi :----(

On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote:
Everyone should ignore Mattchew. He's so far off topic that I'm even going to do this Ace style:

Ignore List:
Mattchew
Chezinu - does anyone honestly ever read his posts?

Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him.

And before someone asks, Palmar is town. Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1.

##Vote: syllogism

On July 17 2012 05:30 sandroba wrote:
kurumi is scum 100%. LOL. Trust me on this one people. I KNOW HE IS SCUM. Go vote kurumi everyone.

On July 17 2012 05:35 sandroba wrote:
How does that refute the fact that you are scum and I know it. =)

On July 17 2012 05:36 Foolishness wrote:

If I had a gun I'd gladly do it.

On July 17 2012 05:39 Chezinu wrote:
uh oh... mafia gonna shoot a nuke and then bus it? Mafia it is in your best interest to keep me alive...

On July 17 2012 05:52 sandroba wrote:
Town doesn't shoot a nuke randomly. Even if they do, kurumi is not town. I am not trolling people, I'm 100% positive of this.

On July 17 2012 06:08 sandroba wrote:
Meh I think mafia is going to kill me anyway so no harm doing this. I can msg people. kurumi just nuked someone so I knew he couldn't be CEO/Chairman/President. So I messaged kurumi this:

Use "of course" "pretty sure" and "very well" in the same post so your peers can identify you as soon as you read this. Look for this combination starting tonight to identify the others.

His next post was this:



So there ya go he just got owned.

The repercussions of my claim is that even after mafia kills me they can't know for certain there is no other abilities like mine in the game so all their communication is no longer safe. Have fun mafia =P

If anyone has any sort of day killing abilities they should shoot kurumi right now. If no one does so and some killing ability gets used during the day down the line that means that person is scum.

On July 17 2012 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Even that Kurumi - like, why would you knowingly align yourself secretly with someone you suspect of being 3rd party....

I'm not buying it sir. <3 tho.

On July 17 2012 06:20 Chezinu wrote:

You should have know better than to try and nuke one of my minions.. but then again.. I was the first to put you in red..

On July 17 2012 06:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
LOOL SANDRO

Hahahahahaha I love you

##unvote

##vote Kurumi

On July 17 2012 06:22 Chezinu wrote:

Why did you nuke RoL? Why of all the minions did you have to nuke him?

On July 17 2012 06:25 marvellosity wrote:
wbg is like confirmed town so whatever

On July 17 2012 06:26 gonzaw wrote:
Oh he's the one that launched that nuke right?

On July 17 2012 06:27 marvellosity wrote:


Na he said he was town in bolded black instead of bolded green like he has been doing

On July 17 2012 06:28 Chezinu wrote:

Know I may die for my mad detective skills... But I have a secret weapon.. If you kill me mafia... You will die... I've played the mad detective before.. So fear my wrath and listen to what I have to say!

On July 17 2012 06:31 marvellosity wrote:


How is that trolling? If he was mafia I don't see him coming into the game and guessing that town wasn't in green in the role PM but was in regular text.

On July 17 2012 06:32 layabout wrote:
If sandroba can message people why did he reveal his power after outing a single player that he could have pushed without revealing his power?

On July 17 2012 06:33 HiroPro wrote:


Why do you play this game if you want to do shit like this.

---

I don't see any reason for a townie to listen to someone they think is third party.

##Unvote Blazinghand
##Vote Kurumi

On July 17 2012 06:39 HiroPro wrote:


I think the more plausible explanation is that you thought it was a message from your director.

On July 17 2012 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
yeah mainly i'm just gonna lurk now if i don't get modkilled

Foolishness is bad if he thinks i'm scum

On July 17 2012 06:42 HiroPro wrote:


No I don't believe this. The directors can only "send orders to one minion every half cycle."

On July 17 2012 06:43 marvellosity wrote:


Pretty rich coming from Kurumi.

On July 17 2012 06:45 supersoft wrote:
did i skip something or might sandroba still be scum hardcorebussing his minion?

On July 17 2012 06:58 gonzaw wrote:
Okay just one quick question:

Could Kurumi have used his nuke without claiming he used it? I didn't see the "nuke post" saying "Kurumi launched a nuke"

This mass vote-swing towards Kurumi is suspicious as fuck (although I haven't read the thread so there may be something else to it >_> )

On July 17 2012 07:00 layabout wrote:
Sandro why did you claim that you could trick mafia into revealing themselves when you had only tricked one player?

PSA:
No talking to kurumi and spamming up the thread!

On July 17 2012 07:07 sandroba wrote:

Meh maybe I should have waited, but I think I'm pretty likely to get killed before getting another use anyway, seeing that the other players that could get shot instead of me are either trolling or not posting enough. Also the other advantage is now mafia will second guess every message they receive.

On July 17 2012 07:21 risk.nuke wrote:

It never hurt to state why you think what. He didn't claim scum, he got busted for something. Don't mix those up. What I did to be objective was I thought on what I might had believed if I had gotten that message and how I could had reacted. I probably wouldn't had thought it was a scum message. I might had believed there were some townie who could send a message to a random confirmed townie or something along those lines. I would had found it very unlikely that it was from a third party.

On July 17 2012 07:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
lol sandroba that was beautiful.

##Vote: Kurumi

So let's talk about tomorrow.

On July 17 2012 07:36 risk.nuke wrote:

It's never fun when someone flips town. But I don't believe you.

On July 17 2012 07:38 Blazinghand wrote:
You know kurumi we got like tons of time maybe if you're really a town player you can help convince these people to lynch syllo after you die

On July 17 2012 07:41 Blazinghand wrote:

Are you sure? Cause Syllo looks pretty scummy to me. You should read the cases on him and make a case against him, a glorious shining case that will be reinforced by your town flip.

On July 17 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:

._. My point is that "if you are really a town player" you should be spending your resources to help me lynch syllo. You're not doing much to convince me right now.

On July 17 2012 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lol @ Kurumi trying to insinuate that mafia know who town are in this setup (hint: they don't)

The desperate flailings and failings of a caught scum, too funny.

Also marv is a good scumhunter, an honorable scumhunter, let no harm befall him. Marv if you're town don't go afk, just ignore Kurumi. You can help me and sandro and whoever else is on town side. I'm still reading, but thoughts to come in a few hours after my lab.

Barring Kurumi I'd like to hear who Katina, Palmar, sandro, and syllo would kill right now.

On July 17 2012 07:49 Blazinghand wrote:

God, I don't care, just do something useful. Do you really think you're helping town by flapping around like this? Or are you just trying to waste people's time efficiently until nightfall?

On July 17 2012 07:54 Blazinghand wrote:

NO. NOT IF YOIU'RE TOWN IT'S NOT.

Look Kurumi. Imagine, for a moment, that you're town, and not scum, which you clearly are. If you are town, you KNOW yuou're gonna flip town when you're lycnhed. So instead of dicking around, you should be MAKING CASES. and ANALYZING and helping. and stuff. That way, when you flip town, people are like "oh, hey he was town" and read your shit and hey, despite being mislynched you helped.

Right now, you're doing none of that. You're just being either a) town who's so whiny he's stopped helping or b) scum who got caught and is butthurt and at this point it's clear that it's b)

On July 17 2012 09:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
VIVA LA NUKES
##NUKE: Kurumi

On July 17 2012 09:46 Probulous wrote:


ROFL OK then.

SYLLOGISM IS SCUM

I just think Kurumi is a safer lynch.

On July 17 2012 09:51 Chezinu wrote:

*takes of mask*

Q, you have nothing to be concerned about. I have been in RoL's position twice before. There is always hope. I reacted the same way he has reacted today.

On July 17 2012 09:58 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

Because...

FUCK YEAH

On July 17 2012 10:16 Blazinghand wrote:
##block: Chezinu

I was hoping not to have to use this.

On July 17 2012 10:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
well shit things got interesting.

No one has commented on my rastaban case yet :/.

Also Chez edited: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&currentpage=30#589

On July 17 2012 10:33 wherebugsgo wrote:


whoa, why are you speaking FOR probulous?

holy shit are you scum with Probulous?

Probulous never mentioned that post, he hasn't replied to it yet. Also I already elaborated on why layabout is scum in the post before that.

So,

#1. You're talking for someone else
#2. You're not reading the thread

you really are scum!

On July 17 2012 10:38 wherebugsgo wrote:


oh, that's simple.

This setup has most scum not knowing who the other scum are. It's in their best interest to actually look for scum, similar to a game that has multiple scum factions. Otherwise they'll just die isolated.

Thus, for a person like syllo to live, we force him to find other scum for us (we know that syllo is capable of this regardless of his alignment). As long as he is unwilling to do this we threaten him with death. If he is willing to help find other scum then he's either town or he's a scum who's helping us kill his own teammates.

When we have more information on how he's done this (given time) we can more effectively determine his alignment.

If, at any point, there are no players scummier than him, we just kill him.

On July 17 2012 10:46 Probulous wrote:

Given this what do you make of this

It was posted right after Supersoft pointed out how BH looks green based on his rapid fire defense with some really out there logic. Hiropro and most of the people at that time thought BH was scum but Marv didn't join in the wagon. Given you think BH is town, does this alter your read on Marv?

I am getting more of a townie feel from Marv since he has decided to end the lurking and actually started to contribute.

On July 17 2012 10:49 Probulous wrote:


I know which is why I want VE's opinion. He still has his vote on you. Given the number of other targets for lynch it seems misplaced and I want his input.

Kurumi, you sir are not helping.

On July 17 2012 18:43 syllogism wrote:

That doesn't confirm they are actually real though, because in some setups with nukes anyone can "launch" a nuke but only real ones are actually lethal. It seems like an amazing coincidence for the person kurumi nuked to also have nukes.

On July 17 2012 23:06 Palmar wrote:
layabout
Sloosh
Sandroba
Probulous
HiroPro
Foolishness
VisceraEyes
Bill Murray
Gonzaw
Meapak_Ziphh
Supersoft
austinmcc
Wherebugsgo
Katina
syllogism
GGQ
Blazinghand
Chezinu
Kurumi
rastaban
Mattchew
marvellosity
risk.nuke
Q-bert-Z
RebirthofLegend
Palmar
Zealos

Thank me later.

On July 17 2012 23:21 syllogism wrote:
Well you are bad at mafia then

On July 17 2012 23:32 Palmar wrote:


a day 1 correct lynch is great. There is no reason to risk that being fucked with. I have no idea if mafia can bus/heal/block this shot from rol or not.

I say we take what we have. If kurumi is mafia, which he most likely is, we're ahead, no matter what else happens. The lynch is our safety net, you can't fuck with the lynch.

On July 17 2012 23:37 austinmcc wrote:
Good lord you guys post too much. Read through, need to look closer at the syllo and BH stuff, but first I want to ask this:

Does anyone actually know what sandroba's power is?I want sandroba to reveal his role. He seems sure that mafia is going to kill him
so there's no harm in revealing.

1-shot? 1 message per half cycle? 1 message per cycle? Please reveal more about your actual power, sandroba, because it's not sitting well with me right now. More than anything else in the thread, I'm curious about this.

On July 17 2012 23:40 austinmcc wrote:

No thanks, I'd like to contribute. You're not at all curious about the magical power that out-ed you?

On July 18 2012 00:48 sandroba wrote:

Sorry austinmcc, I refuse. Mafia has much more to gain from me claiming fully than town. Why exactly do you want to know?
I could be mafia as chairman/president and kurumi my minion since he has a power. I could be minion with this power and used it in such manner, which makes it the same effectiveness as if I were town using it.
Based on the information I presented to the thread is up to you to make a call on my alignment and kurumi's and I don't believe you need any extra information to make that call.

@kurumi If somehow you are town it's going to be a very sad day for me, but you must realize the way you reacted to that msg makes you 99.9999% mafia and we have no option but to lynch/kill you. Also nuking a person who has not posted yet is not exactly the most townie thing to do and that's what made me suspicious in the first place. If somehow you are town you should look at yourself first before accusing me of playing badly.
And you say I'm laying back and doing nothing when I'm one of the few arguing against the huge wagon on syllogism and actually trying to get BH lynched.

@palmar I think the likelyhood that nukes are real is greater outweighs the safety of a day1 guaranteed scum lynch. If mafia has some ability to redirect nukes so be it, we lynch kurumi tomorrow and BH today instead of the contrary. Speaking of BH, have you checked how he reacted when he returned to the thread after being accused? Do you really buy that?

On July 18 2012 01:15 sandroba wrote:
I would reveal I've been msg'ed in thread. Or if I could come to the conclusion the msg came from a townie I would think about what he is trying to accomplish and not follow the instructions.

On July 18 2012 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Bugs: Stop rolefishing.

Between BH and layabout, I much prefer to lynch layabout and here's why:

I believe in sandro's catch on Kurumi. Most of us do, right? So we're operating under the assumtion that scum minion A (Kurumi) has Power A (Nuclear Missile). By my estimation, a power that directly opposes a scum minion's power would, logically, be a town power. The scum team aren't in different factions, they're one BIG faction that don't know each other. So why in the dicks would scum minion B (BH) have scum power B (Anti-Missile) when Power B directly opposes Power A? It makes much more sense to logically assume that BH is town if we're accepting via behavioral analysis that Kurumi is scum.

Am I crazy here?

Layabout has been consistently useless and that's not like layabout. I'm good with a layabout lynch today. Not syllo. Sandro is right, the case on syllo is weak...and I would be just as opposed to a Foolish or WBG or Sandro lynch based on a weak case.

I can't tell what I think of Palmar yet, as his scumplay has taken a SHARP upturn from what we're used to. I need to see more of his intentions before I make a decision about his alignment.

##Vote: layabout

On July 18 2012 02:22 austinmcc wrote:
RoL has also launched a nuke at Kurumi. If Nuclear Missile is mafia-only, that means 2/6 minions had the nuclear missile power (assuming the top 3 don't have powers themselves). That seems like a stretch. I find it more likely that nukes were given to both town and mafia, or only town (although mafia probably has SOME kind of extra kp, given that they only get 1 per night?).

So I think you're wrong in assuming that all nukes are mafia, although if both Kurumi and RoL flip mafia maybe so. If not all nukes are mafia, then mafia might have a minion that can block.

On July 18 2012 02:26 HiroPro wrote:
Mind telling who you think is scum, austin?

On July 18 2012 03:16 supersoft wrote:


what are you talking about? You want to lynch kurumi despite of the nuke?
Did you even read the thread? I don't think so.
Your "I must be over thinking things" means nothing more than: "lul guys i have no idea what is going on and i hope i will somehow catch something i can comment on without you guys noticing that i have no idea whatsoever. + I am a lazy bum"

On July 18 2012 04:28 supersoft wrote:
we are not lynching veterans today. Wait at least for night 1 and see who's left by then.

On July 18 2012 04:52 austinmcc wrote:

If he actually communicated with kurumi, then he's either a mafia higher-up or some sort of messaging power DOES exist. But he won't tell us exactly what, despite having an incredibly powerful role and thinking he's going to die. Why, as town, if you've got such a powerful role (and are apparently known for good scumhunting) and think you will die, would you not share that information with town?

If kurumi flips red tonight, we don't actually know if he communicated or not.

Even if you think that role is in the game and isn't game-breaking, do you think that sandroba would out himself, as that role, on D1, with a single red check? Does that make sense?

On July 18 2012 04:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also since I know you're not bad/neglectful as town, Austin; I come to the conclusion that you are mafia.

Your argument is poor and it only serves to shed doubt on sandro from a "what he did" perspective. You've stretched inordinately far to make your argument. You make it on the grounds of plausibility first (to make sandro as scum seem possible) whereas if the argument were as clear as you insinuate it to be, you'd have pushed sandro based on scum motivation.

Since you didn't choose that route I don't think your concern is something a townie would bring up.

On July 18 2012 04:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
ITT Kurumi does no scumhunting, calls everyone stupid, and expects everyone to believe him when he says he's town.

On July 18 2012 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote:


I can tell by the way you shot a nuke at RoL before he posted.

On July 18 2012 05:06 supersoft wrote:


maybe Kurumi is some kind of jester. That would explain his desire to get lynched -_-
last post from me regarding kurumi btw. he's not longer existing.

On July 18 2012 05:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's funny, because that very accurately describes his town meta too Kurumi.

Try again, scum.

On July 18 2012 05:13 VisceraEyes wrote:

<3

I like troll Kurumi better.

On July 18 2012 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's a quasi-real-time game that activity is like, NECESSARY Kurumi. It's not comparable for meta analysis.

Go away if all you're going to do is attempt to insult me because I can quite easily just tune you out my friend.

On July 18 2012 05:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Do you think Layabout is scum? If so, why aren't you voting him with me, your strongest town-read?

On July 18 2012 08:50 HiroPro wrote:
Where is Foolishness -_-

On July 18 2012 09:30 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
When does the day end?

On July 18 2012 09:33 Palmar wrote:
bugs is not scum katina, you're insane.

On July 18 2012 09:46 sandroba wrote:
Too many scum this game. Must decide on one. Unless you can present a very good reason why gonzaw is not scum vote gonzaw. This game has 9 mafia right now and it's majority lynch so everyone needs to get behind the same lynch, not propose multiple ones. I'm sure a fair bit of you are right about your suspicions, but we must get behind one lynch to make sure it happens. I'm willing to let go of my suspects for now to get Gonzaw lynched and so must you.
##Vote Gonzaw

On July 19 2012 00:36 Mattchew wrote:
its a roleplaying game, my wish would be only valid in the game

On July 19 2012 01:16 Blazinghand wrote:


I agree with you-- I'm down for the horrible death of GGQ. I'm filled with consternation that we agree on something though. I really hope that someone shoots Kurumi tonight so we don't have to deal with him tomorrow.

On July 19 2012 02:29 sandroba wrote:
I didn't send kurumi any msgs. That was from your superiors bro, you should follow that one.

On July 19 2012 03:08 sandroba wrote:
@Kurumi Since you are town care to share the contents of your message with everyone?

On July 19 2012 04:06 supersoft wrote:


PLEASE :D

On July 19 2012 07:14 Blazinghand wrote:


spoken just like a scum who really wants to fire his second nuke

On July 19 2012 07:19 Bill Murray wrote:
Oh, you're just now realizing I purposefully play the village idiot, and have a high I.Q.?

Cute.

On July 19 2012 07:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
Who cares? Vigis should shoot scum, and anyone that's confirmed scum should die immediately.

This is a closed setup, speculating about whether the nuke use is one shot or not is pointless. We don't know and we can't know. Telling vigis to shoot elsewhere is a recipe for a townie getting shot.

On July 19 2012 08:10 Probulous wrote:
Does anyone know when the deadline is? I thought it was an hour ago

Still reading up on the night.

VE, what were those details you found that you were going to post at 11?

On July 19 2012 08:50 Chezinu wrote:
Before I die, I will like for everyone to know that you should read my posts. In them contains the answer that you will want to seek. That is all.

On July 16 2012 18:56 Chezinu wrote:
8. Bill Murray

3. Sandroba
6. Foolishness
7. VisceraEyes
10. Meapak_Ziphh
13. Wherebugsgo
16. GGQ
19. Kurumi I am blue. - Kurumi
20. rastaban
25. RebirthofLegend
26. Palmar
27. Mandalor

4. Probulous
15. syllogism
17. Blazinghand


1. layabout
2. EchelonTee
5. HiroPro
9. Gonzaw
11. Supersoft
12. austinmcc
14. Katina
21. Mattchew
22. marvellosity
23. risk.nuke

24. Q-bert-Z

What I got so far..

~ mad detective

On July 19 2012 03:11 sandroba wrote:
And BTW scum I already messaged one of you. If the person I messaged doesn't reveal he got messaged until the end of this night I'm gonna know he/she is scum for sure. GL figuring it out, I put great effort into it =)

On July 19 2012 09:58 sandroba wrote:

That was a trap too, that failed. I didn't msg anyone.

On July 19 2012 10:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have had my vote stolen for the entire cycle.

Also I really don't like the idea of not killing kurumi today. The last thing we need to do is give up an easy scum kill.

On July 19 2012 10:25 Probulous wrote:
OK, we kill Kurumi.

##Vote: Kurumi

If we can only kill one person at a time during both day and night then can we speed up this particular day? Everyone will be voting Kurumi and if the whole 48hrs is used people are just going to AFK.

On July 19 2012 14:36 Probulous wrote:


Urgh. Whatever man. I would love to be able to just shutup and shoot but we can't.

We can only kill one person per day. If I had my way, it would be the senior management, so I am focusing my scumhunting on senior players because I believe the hosts would not have put someone like Zealos (for example) as the CEO. Now is BM a senior player? I don't know, hence my question.

To use your example, I am trying to take out the guy organising the killing, rather than the one reloading the guns.

On July 19 2012 19:24 supersoft wrote:
longest post of kurumi ever seen o_o

On July 19 2012 19:46 supersoft wrote:
actually voterigger isnt very protown... stealing abilitys isnt either

On July 19 2012 19:56 Bill Murray wrote:
why did mattchew try to nuke me?

On July 19 2012 20:20 Bill Murray wrote:
but, im proven to not be an executive, now
im either 1) shitty low level/totem pole mafia
2) a blue/green (i consider it a green, because i have no real abilities other than 2 votes potentially)
i added the potentially, because I can probably be roleblocked

On July 19 2012 23:32 Palmar wrote:
meh layabout isn't scum.

Also, do we really not have a vigilante? I still need to catch up since yesterday. I would've expected kurumi to be dead by now.

On July 17 2012 03:36 GGQ wrote:


wtf are you talking about?

On July 17 2012 03:42 GGQ wrote:


What? Why? What would that accomplish? How would that help us find scum? Palmar does that shit all the time. It's stupid and unhelpful but arguing about it has never changed him before and it won't now.

##vote blazinghand

On July 18 2012 11:24 GGQ wrote:
Why did I vote BH without mentioning even a single word about him? To see what would happen, of course!

Most people's responses were good; just asking me why or making little noises of disgust. The only one who tried to construe it as scummy was Austin the squirming mafia.

Why did I vote BH at all? Because he was being active and throwing his vote around without doing anything and seemed very concerned with his own activity, as if it was justifying something. I believed and still believe he is scum.

I get very bad vibes from HiroPro. His posts all feel like he's just putting in his time.

There's a bunch of other possible mafias in my mind, but another day another noose.

The case on gonzaw feels weaker than the one on austin to me. I prefer to lynch BH or austinmcc, but I'll switch before deadline if it's necessary to get a lynch.

On July 20 2012 06:19 Blazinghand wrote:


That's a fair point. I suppose I should do a reread of GGQ to see what he's done this game, but if he's played the same way as Zealos, then he too must be scum.

On July 20 2012 09:30 HiroPro wrote:


I'd rather not assume this. But we'll see I guess.

On July 20 2012 09:43 Zealos wrote:
Someone is gonna have to spell it out to me, I really don't understand the benefit? Is it so I wouldn't be able to distinguish him from my supposed mafia bosses?

On July 17 2012 06:08 sandroba wrote:
Meh I think mafia is going to kill me anyway so no harm doing this. I can msg people. kurumi just nuked someone so I knew he couldn't be CEO/Chairman/President. So I messaged kurumi this:

Use "of course" "pretty sure" and "very well" in the same post so your peers can identify you as soon as you read this. Look for this combination starting tonight to identify the others.

His next post was this:



So there ya go he just got owned.

The repercussions of my claim is that even after mafia kills me they can't know for certain there is no other abilities like mine in the game so all their communication is no longer safe. Have fun mafia =P

If anyone has any sort of day killing abilities they should shoot kurumi right now. If no one does so and some killing ability gets used during the day down the line that means that person is scum.

On July 20 2012 09:44 Zealos wrote:
Well, I have been more than useless this game. /sigh/

On July 20 2012 09:49 Zealos wrote:

Entrepeneurial employee (Vanilla town)

On July 17 2012 06:08 sandroba wrote:
Meh I think mafia is going to kill me anyway so no harm doing this. I can msg people. kurumi just nuked someone so I knew he couldn't be CEO/Chairman/President. So I messaged kurumi this:

On July 20 2012 17:06 Chezinu wrote:
Blaze.. you must protect me... my end is near...

On July 20 2012 15:46 Chezinu wrote:

ok, if you are going I'll let you know a secret... I'm a boss!

On July 20 2012 20:25 Palmar wrote:


The CEO/Chairman/President can't have abilities, even I read that much of the OP

On July 20 2012 21:40 Palmar wrote:
what were you even asking about then?

On July 17 2012 09:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
VIVA LA NUKES
##NUKE: Kurumi

On July 20 2012 22:44 marvellosity wrote:
what are you talking about? he was talking about you not RoL

On July 20 2012 23:51 rastaban wrote:
Kurumi, before you get lynched,

How do you feel about Sandroba? He may have bussed you and Zealos, obviously you don't agree and if you flip town that can't be true. Do you think that he is mafia or town?

what are your feelings on Zealos, i know earlier you said you couldn't read him, but has the interaction between him and sandroba changed anything? You think you are town for not sharing the PM, do you think Zealos had a legit reason for not sharing the PM?

You said 4 of these are likely red, I marked the one you called out. Any others you want to add to that list?
Veterans:
RebirthOfLegend (dead, town)
Foolishness
GGQ
Bill Murray
Meapak_Ziphh
Chezinu (eeeeee I am going to say town on this one)

Good players:
sandroba (alive but all looks like he is town)
Palmar
wherebugsgo (dead, town)
syllogism
probably VisceraEyes, not sure though.

On July 21 2012 03:46 sandroba wrote:
And by the way, 2 people messaged kurumi. Me on day1 and someone who is not chezinu on night 1 (chezinu messaged wbg).

On July 21 2012 04:26 syllogism wrote:
I'd rather lynch confirmed mafia who aren't necessarily minions, such as Palmar or Foolishness. Even today there is a small chance kurumi is a trolling,lying, against win-con playing townie while there is no chance whatsoever that foolishness or palmar are town.

On July 21 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:

Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions.

On July 21 2012 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:
Kurumi, I am utterly confused.

On July 21 2012 06:17 syllogism wrote:

He PMed people who were most likely to fall into a trap, i.e. minions and people who are, err, not careful

On July 21 2012 06:31 austinmcc wrote:
Guh, I'm now involved in another pointless discussion. Here's the root of it all:

We don't know nearly as much as we keep assuming we do.

We jump to conclusions about Kurumi's alignment, Sandroba's power, what powers exist and don't, blah blah blah. Then we spend time and pages arguing about the conclusions that we've jumped to.

Frankly, Foolishness looks townie to me for pointing out how much energy we've spent discussing D3 lynch targets and other crap. He made some good points today that he didn't spend 8 hours debating back and forth, just dropped them and left.

On July 21 2012 06:41 austinmcc wrote:
Nobody's claimed that they sent foolishness a message with orders which Foolishness followed.

On July 21 2012 06:48 gonzaw wrote:


Who forged a PM?
The only way that has any bearing is if NOBODY claims they sent that PM in a massclaim or sorts.

If messages like the one wbg and other people received are never claimed (i.e the sender never claims he sent that message) then you can't lynch anybody until they do since you don't know shit, and that message could have easily been sent by a minion with similar powers for instance who decided not to claim.

On July 21 2012 06:56 austinmcc wrote:
There's no issue of forgery with the PM you received. I had to go back and check your filter, you've never said Sandro didn't send you that message.

On July 21 2012 06:58 HiroPro wrote:
I'd do sender, but this pointless.... I don't get why you guys are so interested now but refused to talk about 1 for 1 stuff when i brought it up in the beginning.

On July 17 2012 02:07 Katina wrote:
Palmar is Mafia: He puts out the idea of a random lynch and tries to convince the town to go with it. Random lynches are a bad idea, yes there are a lot of mafia but there are more townies. There's a higher chance of hitting a townie D1 which I rather not have happen..

On July 18 2012 09:26 Katina wrote:
bugs, you should really know better than to try to switch the vote train off of two people who were discussed at in length. You have caused a shitstorm now, and the votes aren't any better than they were 24 hours ago. The people voting for austin at this point:

supersoft
wherebugsgo
Bill Murray
sandroba
syllogism
risk.nuke
gonzaw

Looks like a pretty good mafia list. I wouldn't mind 4 or 5 of you dying.

On July 19 2012 12:20 Katina wrote:


It doesn't matter if your vote was stolen, just vote.

Why would we give up an easy kill? It will narrow down the scum count, that's what we need to win as town. If Kurumi doesn't die people are just going to derp around and be unfocused because he IS still alive. With him dead that's one less distraction and we can focus on the other scum such as:

Mattchew
Foolishness
Palmar
Blazinghand
Syllogism
Bill Murrary

On July 21 2012 08:35 Katina wrote:

Okay, really?

Anyone who says this guy shouldn't be our D3 lynch should seriously consider going back to some newbie games... He knows he's Mafia. He's only doing this because he's so obviously guilty.

On July 21 2012 08:37 VisceraEyes wrote:


I'm inclined to agree, but I REALLY REALLY want to lynch Executives. This inter-office communication bullshit is gonna continue to be convoluted and confusing.

Katina, do you think I'm insane for thinking sandroba is scum? If so, please tell me nicely.

On August 02 2012 03:05 Q-bert-Z wrote:
Should have tried to get people to think it was a police radio. Give like, one or two checks to clear one guy, or incriminate another. Give a red check on someone to bus them, then a green check on yourself to confirm yourself as town. Would have bee. Fairly believable because a DT check on someone who is highly suspected is totally normal, and it works out nicely because you bus someone who is already likely to die, and will certainly flip soon after your broadcast. His flip will confirm the legitimacy of the police radioish role.

On May 23 2011 04:30 Ver wrote:


The Police Radio has sounded, revealing all of the results I sent to various detective roles last night!

Person A: InfiniteStory- Same
Person B: tnkted is mafia
Person C: Gmarshal is Mafia 2 DT
Person D: Incognito day 1 votelist: 1/5
Person E: KillerSOS day 2 votelist: 2/10

On August 02 2012 17:45 wherebugsgo wrote:
also btw kurumi, that play was beyond retarded.

Both the nuke and the breadcrumbing that you are mafia. Both of them, really really stupid.

Although I can't tell whether that was worse than what RoL did.

On August 03 2012 00:41 Qatol wrote:

Agreed. Kurumi, you used your nuke in absolutely the worst way possible. You literally had a random chance of hitting mafia, and on day 1, when the random chance is the lowest, no less. You could not have used your nuke MORE incorrectly, barring shooting a confirmed townie.

On August 03 2012 01:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Think of it this way Kurumi. If you hadn't shot RoL, then you could have used your nuke on one of the lynch candidates D1 when a no-lynch was imminent. OH GOSH AND THAT WOULD HAVE HIT SCUM 100% TOO!

On August 03 2012 03:24 Qatol wrote:

So don't claim it, and don't try to nuke anyone on day 1. I don't understand why you felt you had to nuke someone on day 1 anyways. With a 1 KP mafia, you should have felt relatively comfortable living until at least day 2.

On August 03 2012 04:38 strongandbig wrote:
but... you wouldn't have been the lynch target if you hadn't fakeclaimed scum lol.

On August 03 2012 10:13 gonzaw wrote:


You sent the nuke on RoL way before you were "already dead" (as in, before sandro made that PM thing with you).

On August 04 2012 04:07 Qatol wrote:

Then just don't nuke at all? Firing off a nuke with a 1 in 3 chance of hitting scum is still terrible, especially when it isn't a small list of players with a known number of mafia members on it. All you're doing then is 1) playing horribly enough to be a serious candidate for a day 1 lynch and 2) further punishing your side twice as often as not by killing another player of your alignment. Focus on making good posts so you are not lynched during day 1; don't just decide "oh I'm going to die, but I need to use my KP before I go!" when you have absolutely no idea about who would be a reasonable target for your kill.

There was definitely plenty you could have done differently.

On August 04 2012 04:40 Qatol wrote:

I think you're missing the point. Firing a nuke when you aren't pretty sure is always something you can do differently. You never should have fired that nuke in that position, even if it meant you were lynched without using the nuke at all.