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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6788 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Your argument is poor and it only serves to shed doubt on sandro from a "what he did" perspective. You've stretched inordinately far to make your argument. You make it on the grounds of plausibility first (to make sandro as scum seem possible) whereas if the argument were as clear as you insinuate it to be, you'd have pushed sandro based on scum motivation. Since you didn't choose that route I don't think your concern is something a townie would bring up. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Austin made a point: this power is crazy good. Why not catch MULTIPLE "scum" instead of one. This is a GREAT point. But it doesn't prove anything about sandroba's alignment, just about his game sense. Sandroba is town austin, so please try to lynch someone who you think is scum. Best course of action would be actually no-lynching. I am town, so that's one town dead. If RoL flips green, that's two greens down. If lynch fails... three towns dead. Terrible. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On July 18 2012 04:57 wherebugsgo wrote: Also since I know you're not bad/neglectful as town, Austin; I come to the conclusion that you are mafia. Your argument is poor and it only serves to shed doubt on sandro from a "what he did" perspective. You've stretched inordinately far to make your argument. You make it on the grounds of plausibility first (to make sandro as scum seem possible) whereas if the argument were as clear as you insinuate it to be, you'd have pushed sandro based on scum motivation. Since you didn't choose that route I don't think your concern is something a townie would bring up. FUCK THIS GAME | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On July 18 2012 04:52 austinmcc wrote: If he actually communicated with kurumi, then he's either a mafia higher-up or some sort of messaging power DOES exist. But he won't tell us exactly what, despite having an incredibly powerful role and thinking he's going to die. Why, as town, if you've got such a powerful role (and are apparently known for good scumhunting) and think you will die, would you not share that information with town? If kurumi flips red tonight, we don't actually know if he communicated or not. Even if you think that role is in the game and isn't game-breaking, do you think that sandroba would out himself, as that role, on D1, with a single red check? Does that make sense? Yes it does. Even if he pushes and successfully gets kurumi lynched without outing his power, he would be a very likely mafia target n1. If he waits, he might still die and the information is lost. His role is powerful, but requires skill to use and is hardly comparable to a cop. Assuming the role exists in this setup, we can infer any message mafia receives will be anonymous in the sense that they aren't even told if it's from another mafia role. As such, even if he happens to correctly target mafia, the person who receives the message can see through the trap. Again, what is the mafia sandroba motivation here? I think your attitude towards the role is reminiscent to my attitude towards some (actual) town roles in death factory 2, where I was mafia. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
austin, can you give me a scum read based on behavior and not just on setup speculation. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6788 Posts
On July 18 2012 04:59 HiroPro wrote: I can't tell if austin really believes this or not... austin, can you give me a scum read based on behavior and not just on setup speculation. yes this please -_- | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On July 18 2012 04:59 VisceraEyes wrote: ITT Kurumi does no scumhunting, calls everyone stupid, and expects everyone to believe him when he says he's town. I DON'T FUCKING CARE IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT I CARE THAT PEOPLE WITH SOMETHING IN THEIR HEADS SURVIVE | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On July 18 2012 04:35 Kurumi wrote: Anyway I propose Kurumi lynch. I am dying as town anyway, so that sucks. If RoL flips town, then we have two towns dead. If we kill another town.. 3 towns dead day 1. Lynch me. Please. This is the best thing you can do. Best case - RoL is scum. Worst case, I am town and so RoL is. proposing a no lynch. no need fot further explanation. current debate about sandros role: Not only the wrong point of time, but also: On July 18 2012 04:48 syllogism wrote: It's exactly the kind of role I would expect to be in this setup. You know basically nothing about the setup other than the fact the fact town:mafia ratio is extremely abnormal and the immediate conclusion you draw is that this role is too powerful to be town? Why is your focus on the fact that mafia has limited communication instead of there being one mafia for every 2 townies? What exactly would mafia sandroba's motivation here be? Do you think he is CEO or how exactly do you think he communicated with kurumi? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 18 2012 04:54 rastaban wrote: But see someone has that role, Kurumi confirmed she received the PM. Mafia can't just PM whoever they want, they get it 1x a night to specific minions. So this powerful role has to exist OR he is scum bussing mafia. Either way we should kill the target (The nuke is doing that for us) and continue to evaluate him. Mafia will need to kill him if he is town, as he has incredible power. If he ends up living for a few nights then yeah lets go back to him and see if he needs lynched, but for now there is no reason to try and do anything about it. Should he have claimed, I don't know, I think his argument that it makes mafia doubt all PMs is a legit reason to do so, more so when he is outing scum at the same time. Lets make mafia sort this out for now. You seem to think Kurumi is actually mafia: On July 17 2012 23:26 rastaban wrote: Don't you think though as town he would have blocked the one on RoL when he learned Kurumi was mafia? Why are you trusting Kurumi's confirmation of the PM if you think he's mafia? (he, right?) Bugs On July 18 2012 04:54 wherebugsgo wrote: Why the hell would mafia need powerful roles when sandro's power can only be considered a oneshot use? The games setup is designed so that mafia cannot explicitly identify others (no communication to higher ups as it's designed in the OP). Thus , a town role that, if used correctly, PUNISHES mafia for doing so is in line with the setup. You can't compare it with a full fledged cop because it would only work once. Sandro's not gonna catch a scum with it tomorrow, for example. Lastly, why do mafia need powerful roles in a setup in which they comprise half of the playerbase? They could kill themselves multiple times and the setup would still be balanced. Why is sandro's power a oneshot use? He never said it was. If you think it's one shot because mafia will now doubt all messages, then isn't this game broken? The ONLY communication mafia have is these messages, top to bottom. If messages can no longer be trusted, mafia basically has no communication. They've always got to worry whether it's a legit message or town checking them out, and they have to just...guess as to what anonymous source it came from? The ONLY reason Sandro can't catch someone with it tomorrow is because he claimed it after finding one single scummy player. Before he announced that, he could have caught every last scum with it. You're not looking at his power the right way, because you're looking at it only after he claimed. And even when known, it's still game-breaking. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On July 18 2012 05:00 Kurumi wrote: I DON'T FUCKING CARE IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT I CARE THAT PEOPLE WITH SOMETHING IN THEIR HEADS SURVIVE I can tell by the way you shot a nuke at RoL before he posted. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On July 18 2012 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote: I can tell by the way you shot a nuke at RoL before he posted. look at your fucking puny one-liners and then come back to me pawn I nuked RoL becaue I thought he deserved it in my opinion. That's all. His meta as scum lately was to "don't give a shit till something happens" and that's what he played. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On July 18 2012 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote: I can tell by the way you shot a nuke at RoL before he posted. maybe Kurumi is some kind of jester. That would explain his desire to get lynched -_- last post from me regarding kurumi btw. he's not longer existing. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On July 18 2012 05:06 supersoft wrote: maybe Kurumi is some kind of jester. That would explain his desire to get lynched -_- last post from me regarding kurumi btw. he's not longer existing. I want town to no-lynch. We have a town dying already, maybe second too. We don't need third. Maybe luck will shine upon your flailing and you hit one of the scum (33% is a nice percentage) | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Try again, scum. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On July 18 2012 05:06 supersoft wrote: maybe Kurumi is some kind of jester. That would explain his desire to get lynched -_- last post from me regarding kurumi btw. he's not longer existing. Unlikely given the high scum count this game. He's just trolling at this point and is worth of being ignored and derided. Currently catching up in the thread. Tentatively my plan is to address any additions to the case against me, and articulate some good cases against Syllo and Laya. I might see something else on the way though. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On July 18 2012 05:07 VisceraEyes wrote: That's funny, because that very accurately describes his town meta too Kurumi. Try again, scum. His town meta? Very fucking funny. RoL is not the most active player nonetheless, but there's a difference between RoL not giving a fuck and being aggressive as fuck in couple of his huge posts. Actually, I am going to dig up some meta for you to read, pawn. | ||
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