Bureaucracy Mafia! - Page 46

On July 18 2012 05:36 HiroPro wrote:
Palmar, do you still have a null read on austin?

On July 17 2012 06:32 layabout wrote:
If sandroba can message people why did he reveal his power after outing a single player that he could have pushed without revealing his power?

On July 17 2012 07:00 layabout wrote:
Sandro why did you claim that you could trick mafia into revealing themselves when you had only tricked one player?

PSA:
No talking to kurumi and spamming up the thread!

On July 18 2012 05:41 austinmcc wrote:
To be fair, I think sandro is fine for feeling that way about syllo. I got no problems with that argument this game, that we can leave certain players alive a few days, watch their hunting, and then reevaluate come D3-4.

On July 18 2012 05:47 sandroba wrote:
Because right now I'm reading the thread and actually trying to figure out who has the most chance of all people I think are scum to flip scum. It is likely, since most people believe me to be near confirmed status, that my input will likely decide whoever gets lynched, so I need to think about this carefully before making my move.
Before I didn't have this much influence so I could afford to be wrong and produce information by pushing someone hard. Now if I'm wrong it's likely to be way more damaging so excuse me while I weigh my options.

On July 18 2012 05:50 austinmcc wrote:
We can. I don't want to. Syllo hasn't made up a ridiculous role (I know some people don't agree, I still see the role as ridiculous). The main reason I'm pushing Sandro is because his role is ridiculous, and when offered a chance to reveal it (maybe it turns out his role is 1-shot, then it becomes believable and doesn't cripple mafia's only source of information once he reveals), he doesn't, despite thinking he's going to get shot.

Because my read isn't based on his demeanor, his posting style, something off about his reads (something you can check on for a day or two), I don't want to leave him up.

On July 18 2012 05:50 austinmcc wrote:
We can. I don't want to. Syllo hasn't made up a ridiculous role (I know some people don't agree, I still see the role as ridiculous). The main reason I'm pushing Sandro is because his role is ridiculous, and when offered a chance to reveal it (maybe it turns out his role is 1-shot, then it becomes believable and doesn't cripple mafia's only source of information once he reveals), he doesn't, despite thinking he's going to get shot.

Because my read isn't based on his demeanor, his posting style, something off about his reads (something you can check on for a day or two), I don't want to leave him up.

On July 18 2012 05:52 wherebugsgo wrote:


so you never learned in mafia 101 that role does not equal alignment?

For the third time, you're scum.

On July 18 2012 05:58 sandroba wrote:

This post in retarded as fuck I'm sorry. Why wouldn't I as town opt to cripple mafia's only source having a role capable of doing so or not. Why would I opt to give mafia certainty instead of doubt?

If I were mafia why would I not BS claim fully?

You realize that even if I'm mafia I'm fucking my own team by doing this, since if I have this power as a minion only one person on the mafia team knows that I'm mafia as well.

If you can explain me how I profit as mafia by doing what I did and how it is more likely for me to be mafia then town, you are free to keep yapping about your insane conspiracy theory. However if you insist on trying to force the situation into your own mold of reality I must conclude you have an agenda behind your posts.

On July 18 2012 06:06 austinmcc wrote:

The role itself already cripples mafia. You can plant false messages. You can direct their targets. It's not a choice between giving mafia certainty and giving mafia doubt. Here's the super important distinction. It's actually a choice between giving mafia certainty that they shouldn't have (they are certain any directions are coming from scumbuddies, when in fact they are being directed by a townie) vs. giving mafia doubt. Insert some philosophical line about the enemy you don't see being more dangerous than the enemy you do see.

Why not fully claim as any alignment? You think you're going to get shot.

Why would you actually have this power if you're mafia? I'm not claiming you have this power and are mafia, I'm claiming you're mafia and have made it up.

What's mafia's main advantage in this game? Large numbers. What's mafia's main disadvantage this game? Less information, can't confirm each other.

BOTH of these lead to it being more likely mafia will kill each other. Accidentally, or on purpose (the cost of bussing a member of a 9-man team is less than the cost of bussing a member of a 3 or 6-man team). Since you don't know each other's identities, you don't get much town cred from just voting a guy. But making up a role to trick scum into outing themselves, now there's some town cred. Normal bussing = less cred this game. So you've just figured out a creative way to bus to get yourself cred.

On July 06 2012 09:28 Protactinium wrote:

Not 100% on this atm but currently the rule is they can't give absolute statements, just orders. i,e no 'players x y z are not mafia, get them killed,' just, 'harass player x.' If they are blatant about trying to give out teammates then they'll be censored. Given enough time executives might figure out ways to smuggle information past the censors but it won't be without risk. There may be other mechanics in place to interfere with such play if it is tried.

There are redundancy factors in place for communication once someone dies but they will be less than normal. In normal games the town wants to prioritize certain mafia to eliminate powers (especially in PYP games) or reduce kp. As eliminating mafia will not reduce kp here, the focus should be geared at disrupting communication by removing the executives.

On July 18 2012 06:08 marvellosity wrote:
I'd much rather off someone like GGQ or BM.