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On July 16 2012 19:13 Probulous wrote:
So in essence I should have kept that to myself?
I find it highly unlikely that mafia will be pushing strong reads day 1 given the setup. For two reasons, one they may be pushing one of their own, two they will be held accountable. So my thinking was to out to the thread so people are aware of it. Yes mafia are too but all this does is limit their options. How exactly does this help me further my agenda if I am mafia?
My experience playing scum in two Sleeper Cell games tells me that this is the opposite of true. If you aren't burdened by knowledge of your teammates, it's much easier to come out strong on day 1.
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On July 16 2012 18:59 risk.nuke wrote:Holding people accountable to their day 1 reads is dumb. As always you will want to question people who change their reads drastically or oddly. This however completely-100%-absolutely-have-nothing-in-common-with holding people accountable for their day 1 reads. Chaos and rockin the boat is equally dumb. I don't know to what effect scum can use their communication but it seems to be very limited. Destroying the atmosphere and towns sense of direction to slightly damage the scums abillity to communicate seems like shooting a mosquito on the foot with a bazooka. Blazinghand is the one who's spot on. Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 15:32 Blazinghand wrote:
@Prob: I think that's Chezinu you got quoted there.
In any case, in this setup it seems pretty straightforwards to me. Analyze like normal, hold people to their views like normal, look for weird unsubstantiated cases like normal. There's more scum and they're less organized, but I don't see why we need to do our D1 or D2 anything different than what we typically do. Just keep an eye open for people doing shit without legit town motives and you're good to go as always.
@Chezinu: Chaos bad
##vote: Chezinu The only difference between this game and a normal game is everyone needs to scumhunt.
Wait, how is that different from a regular game again?
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On July 17 2012 03:17 Katina wrote:
@ Mattchew
What are you talking about? You are the one making absolutely no sense. I know I'm an easy target to get mislynched but that's not going to happen today. You think that scummy people are town and people that aren't that scummy you are pushing for to get lynched. Your points against me are based off of nothing except the fact that your reads are different than mine. I'm trying to find scum and you just made your way onto my Mafia list with Palmar. You come out of nowhere and immediately jump all over one of my posts then nit pick at my response to you. The reasoning for your suspicions are bad and have close to nothing to back any of it up with. Most of what you say you just pulled out of thin air. You are making a sad attempt to do what WBG does in attempts to try and get me lynched.
Why do you "know" that you are an easy target to be "mislynched"? Has this been a common occurrence? Why do you keep mentioning WBG and comparing mattchew's play to his, it's not relevant at all. I agree with mattchew in the sense that some parts of your palmar "case" were weak and perhaps suspiciously so, but at the same time Palmar is clearly 100% trolling so far so he could very well be mafia. I think the only thing about his play that could point towards him being town is the fact he outed sinani's smurf, which isn't very smart to do in this setup if you are mafia as the person whose smurf you are outing may also be mafia.
What do you think about meapak's play so far?
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On July 17 2012 03:25 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 19:13 Probulous wrote:
So in essence I should have kept that to myself?
I find it highly unlikely that mafia will be pushing strong reads day 1 given the setup. For two reasons, one they may be pushing one of their own, two they will be held accountable. So my thinking was to out to the thread so people are aware of it. Yes mafia are too but all this does is limit their options. How exactly does this help me further my agenda if I am mafia?
My experience playing scum in two Sleeper Cell games tells me that this is the opposite of true. If you aren't burdened by knowledge of your teammates, it's much easier to come out strong on day 1.
Why are you active lurking?
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On July 17 2012 03:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 03:13 Mattchew wrote:On July 17 2012 03:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
so mattchew lemme get this right, I'm scummy because I "seems to be trying to look sensible and not shitstorm causing." Umm... duh so basically I'm scum because I'm playing protown? That's some pretty wicked logic there. cause you are playing an easy to fake pro-town without actually doing anything pro-town That's bullshit and you know it lol.
you have said the word "chaos" or talked about town stability in almost every post you have made. Did you elect yourself town peacekeeper? Because basically every one of your posts has extremely little to do with actually finding and lynching scum
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Matt, your case on Katina is wrong, regardless of what alignment she is.
I posted that bit from iGrok's game. Some of the players in this game played in that game. At least one of the players here read that game closely. If a random lynch is pro-town because it generates information until you pull back the curtain, then it functions differently here, because the curtain is already pulled back (it took all of like 30 seconds to find that post). Can't assume that he's throwing out the random lynch idea for he same reason as normal.
Katina may be wrong about some bits of her case on Palmar, but I think you're also wrong about her.
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On July 17 2012 03:29 austinmcc wrote:
Matt, your case on Katina is wrong, regardless of what alignment she is.
I posted that bit from iGrok's game. Some of the players in this game played in that game. At least one of the players here read that game closely. If a random lynch is pro-town because it generates information until you pull back the curtain, then it functions differently here, because the curtain is already pulled back (it took all of like 30 seconds to find that post). Can't assume that he's throwing out the random lynch idea for he same reason as normal.
Katina may be wrong about some bits of her case on Palmar, but I think you're also wrong about her.
I don't think you are correct. I think Palmar was doing EXACTLY what he said in that other game and is pissed that you quoted him from it, thus revealing his curtain
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On July 17 2012 03:27 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 03:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 17 2012 03:13 Mattchew wrote:On July 17 2012 03:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
so mattchew lemme get this right, I'm scummy because I "seems to be trying to look sensible and not shitstorm causing." Umm... duh so basically I'm scum because I'm playing protown? That's some pretty wicked logic there. cause you are playing an easy to fake pro-town without actually doing anything pro-town That's bullshit and you know it lol. you have said the word "chaos" or talked about town stability in almost every post you have made. Did you elect yourself town peacekeeper? Because basically every one of your posts has extremely little to do with actually finding and lynching scum
Actually I'm playing smart and waiting until I have a solid case before I go after someone. In contrast, you have your idiotic crusade against katina and that's it. Discussion should be currently centered around Palmar for his inability/refusal to play. BH should be a secondary consideration for his random wild play. And of course I still haven't forgot chez and the smurf, I'm interested to see if they start playing as well.
This may come as a shock but it's not always a good idea to shit up the thread with random cases. My lack of a formal "case" is way better than your little spat with Katina.
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On July 17 2012 03:27 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 03:25 GGQ wrote:On July 16 2012 19:13 Probulous wrote:
So in essence I should have kept that to myself?
I find it highly unlikely that mafia will be pushing strong reads day 1 given the setup. For two reasons, one they may be pushing one of their own, two they will be held accountable. So my thinking was to out to the thread so people are aware of it. Yes mafia are too but all this does is limit their options. How exactly does this help me further my agenda if I am mafia?
My experience playing scum in two Sleeper Cell games tells me that this is the opposite of true. If you aren't burdened by knowledge of your teammates, it's much easier to come out strong on day 1. Why are you active lurking?
wtf are you talking about?
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On July 17 2012 03:36 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 03:27 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 03:25 GGQ wrote:On July 16 2012 19:13 Probulous wrote:
So in essence I should have kept that to myself?
I find it highly unlikely that mafia will be pushing strong reads day 1 given the setup. For two reasons, one they may be pushing one of their own, two they will be held accountable. So my thinking was to out to the thread so people are aware of it. Yes mafia are too but all this does is limit their options. How exactly does this help me further my agenda if I am mafia?
My experience playing scum in two Sleeper Cell games tells me that this is the opposite of true. If you aren't burdened by knowledge of your teammates, it's much easier to come out strong on day 1. Why are you active lurking? wtf are you talking about?
Ask yourself, pawn.
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On July 17 2012 03:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
I support Random Lynch.
you missed the party.
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On July 17 2012 03:33 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 03:29 austinmcc wrote:
Matt, your case on Katina is wrong, regardless of what alignment she is.
I posted that bit from iGrok's game. Some of the players in this game played in that game. At least one of the players here read that game closely. If a random lynch is pro-town because it generates information until you pull back the curtain, then it functions differently here, because the curtain is already pulled back (it took all of like 30 seconds to find that post). Can't assume that he's throwing out the random lynch idea for he same reason as normal.
Katina may be wrong about some bits of her case on Palmar, but I think you're also wrong about her.
I don't think you are correct. I think Palmar was doing EXACTLY what he said in that other game and is pissed that you quoted him from it, thus revealing his curtain
This is my point about Palmar. There's a script for what he's doing and he decided to go off of it. Look at the list of people I asked him about and reference that with the play from the other game. You'll understand why I want him in here right now answering me.
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Blazinghand needs to slow the eff down. I'm pretty sure he's town bury there were 113 new replies since I last checked. BH you should support RL.
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On July 17 2012 03:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 03:27 Mattchew wrote:On July 17 2012 03:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 17 2012 03:13 Mattchew wrote:On July 17 2012 03:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
so mattchew lemme get this right, I'm scummy because I "seems to be trying to look sensible and not shitstorm causing." Umm... duh so basically I'm scum because I'm playing protown? That's some pretty wicked logic there. cause you are playing an easy to fake pro-town without actually doing anything pro-town That's bullshit and you know it lol. you have said the word "chaos" or talked about town stability in almost every post you have made. Did you elect yourself town peacekeeper? Because basically every one of your posts has extremely little to do with actually finding and lynching scum Actually I'm playing smart and waiting until I have a solid case before I go after someone. In contrast, you have your idiotic crusade against katina and that's it. Discussion should be currently centered around Palmar for his inability/refusal to play. BH should be a secondary consideration for his random wild play. And of course I still haven't forgot chez and the smurf, I'm interested to see if they start playing as well. This may come as a shock but it's not always a good idea to shit up the thread with random cases. My lack of a formal "case" is way better than your little spat with Katina.
What? Why? What would that accomplish? How would that help us find scum? Palmar does that shit all the time. It's stupid and unhelpful but arguing about it has never changed him before and it won't now.
##vote blazinghand
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On July 17 2012 03:21 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 03:17 Katina wrote:
@ Mattchew
What are you talking about? You are the one making absolutely no sense. I know I'm an easy target to get mislynched but that's not going to happen today. You think that scummy people are town and people that aren't that scummy you are pushing for to get lynched. Your points against me are based off of nothing except the fact that your reads are different than mine. I'm trying to find scum and you just made your way onto my Mafia list with Palmar. You come out of nowhere and immediately jump all over one of my posts then nit pick at my response to you. The reasoning for your suspicions are bad and have close to nothing to back any of it up with. Most of what you say you just pulled out of thin air. You are making a sad attempt to do what WBG does in attempts to try and get me lynched.
You literally haven't answered any of my points in my case against you and you still fail to even quote what I have wrote. I can't tell if you haven't read it or if you just don't know how to respond to the truth
Really Mattchew? Are you really picking at the fact that I haven't been quoting what you have wrote? I have answered the points against me in your case (there wasn't much to respond to) I have read the thread. What you're saying isnt the truth. I have defended myself already.
On July 17 2012 03:26 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 03:17 Katina wrote:
@ Mattchew
What are you talking about? You are the one making absolutely no sense. I know I'm an easy target to get mislynched but that's not going to happen today. You think that scummy people are town and people that aren't that scummy you are pushing for to get lynched. Your points against me are based off of nothing except the fact that your reads are different than mine. I'm trying to find scum and you just made your way onto my Mafia list with Palmar. You come out of nowhere and immediately jump all over one of my posts then nit pick at my response to you. The reasoning for your suspicions are bad and have close to nothing to back any of it up with. Most of what you say you just pulled out of thin air. You are making a sad attempt to do what WBG does in attempts to try and get me lynched.
Why do you "know" that you are an easy target to be "mislynched"? Has this been a common occurrence? Why do you keep mentioning WBG and comparing mattchew's play to his, it's not relevant at all. I agree with mattchew in the sense that some parts of your palmar "case" were weak and perhaps suspiciously so, but at the same time Palmar is clearly 100% trolling so far so he could very well be mafia. I think the only thing about his play that could point towards him being town is the fact he outed sinani's smurf, which isn't very smart to do in this setup if you are mafia as the person whose smurf you are outing may also be mafia. What do you think about meapak's play so far?
I have been mislynched several times by people like Mattchew thinking I'm scummy. Then they lynch me and I flip town. It's a fairly common occurence. I'm comparing the two because I have played in a few games with the both of them. WBG pushes me severly when he thinks I'm Mafia in a similar way that Mattchew is trying to but only WBG actually has points and does it poperly. WBG has gotten me lynch for it, I think Mattchew is Mafia and trying to do what WBG does to get me lynched this game. As for my case on Palmar, It's D1 the cases aren't going to be 100% percent solid. Mattchew's case on me was weaker than the one I made on Palmar.
I don't think Meapak is Mafia at the moment. Then again I haven't been looking at him closely. I have been looking at people who I'm familiar with their play style so I can get an idea of their alignment and start narrowing people down.
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Almost half players are SCUM! Dooo eet.
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Katina what do you think of VE
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VE both games I have played with you you pushed someone incredibly hard day 1, why do you want to do a random lynch, cant you find any scum this time?
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We'll see. Until that time I approve of allowing RNG to decide the lynch.
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