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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On July 21 2012 09:35 layabout wrote: For all intents and purposes sandroba is town. This game requires half of the thread to agree on a lynch. Kurumi is + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote: If you wanted to make me angry, consider yourself successful. Fuck you. he was angry that syllogism proposed that he could do this as town And yet there are 5 votes not on Kurumi! We are going to need focus more and we are going to need to stop joking around with votes and thread actions. Palmar and Foolishness are calling syllogism mafia. Syllogism in turn is calling both Palmar and Foolishness mafia. Many of you insist on speculating that the host will have made the CEO one of these players (or sandroba or Meapak). It is always dangerous to make decisions based upon out-guessing the host. But if we are aiming to kill the CEO we should plac e our attention on those 3 players. If we are looking for the person most likely to flip scum tomorrow we need look no further tahn our good friend zealos. I defended him initially but his actions since then show that he is either a mafia or a townie that isn't playing. READ: Before sandroba revealed that he had messaged zealos WBG considered zealos to be as likely scum as Kurumi. He did not explain his reasons explicitly but he expressed this opinion and we would be wise not to forget it. It's useful to have a meta assessment so: What was the most sgnificant event during day1? + Show Spoiler [Answer] + The great sandroaba-Kurumi debacle of course! This one event outed Kurumi as scum. Now town should take a scum lynch day1 100% of the time. From that point onwards the only thing the thread needed to do was vote kurumi and then ask whether it was a a bus or not. It should have removed all other candidates for the lynch and discussion the thread should have moved onto the next day's lynch. RoL's nuke was the only good reason to move on from this issue and it was the reason that kurumi was not lynched. Everyone should have paid their attention to that and thought about the various possibilities since for a time that event would have decided that days lynch and is deciding today lynch. It was your responsibility as town. But are we to believe that until this morning zealos was unaware of the whole thing? Zealos placed his first vote against austinmcc He says nothing about austinmcc specifically and yet he feels that the only thing needed to justify his vote was thread momentum. At that time a few players were calling austinmcc scummy but there was nothing substantial said at all and he had very few votes. Zealos' vote was lazy and shows that he was trying to fit in rather than trying to get a successful lynch. It sounds a lot like the Zealos that HiroPro descibed. So Zealos still was not reading the thread since austinmcc did not have a decent case against him and his comment about Kurumi demonstrates a complete lack of thread knowledge. He also picks out Blazinghand not for being scummy but for being "odd". Which is strange since there should be enuogh players for him to find something that is scummy and not simply "odd". I will simply re-post: And what has he done? Well he spent just long enough in the thread to have sandroba's message explained to him. He contributed nothing of his own and has not been productive. He is mafia. ##tomorrow we should vote zealos Layabout, does Kurumi flipping blue change your post at all? And while I agree town needs to unite, it was pretty obvious Kurumi was town if anyone cared to look at his posts beyond following a random pm received. This is the third game in a row where I have seen town butcher an obvious innocent for a single slip up (though we were able to save marv last minute) gonzaw marv and Kurumi all acted the same when caught. Guess who isn't acting that way. Zealos. I think BH is a great lynch as well, he has veto power that is certainly a minion on the board of directors. So Zealos then BH 2 for 2. Come on town let's do this! | ||
risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On July 22 2012 00:47 Palmar wrote: if you can shoot tonight kill foolishness, syllo, katina, BM, zealos etc I'll be around later rastaban too. | ||
Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On July 22 2012 00:54 supersoft wrote: palmar, respond on the issue i raised about your activitylvl. We are going to reach a point of time in the game where i need some informations. I never ever explain why or why I don't post in games. I think it's cheating as scum to say "I was doing x or afk" and by extension I can't do it as town either. I play exactly as much as I can and want to. I've been hanged for refusing to explain my inactivity, both as town and as scum (see L as an example of me being killed as town when I was simply afk, and a recent igrok's old fashioned mafia game where the same thing happened but I was scum.) Despite people attempting to read me based on activity, see for example foolishness's inane statement on my activity to my alignment. It's plain wrong. So no, I'm not going to respond if I wrote that post "fuck I need to write something" or if it just happened to be a window where I had 2-3 hours to play the game. It's your job to figure that out. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Katina
United States454 Posts
On July 21 2012 17:36 supersoft wrote: katina looks pretty cute :-o she cant be scum. You're too kind. Anyways, back to Mafia. On July 22 2012 00:47 Palmar wrote: if you can shoot tonight kill foolishness, syllo, katina, BM, zealos etc I'll be around later Why do you think I should be shot? You have yet to give any reasons to why you think I'm Mafia. You have done close to nothing this game besides popping in every now and then, and giving a brief hit and run then off again. You know who is known for hit and runs? Mafia, have you not seen the old Mafia movies??. Your uselessness this game has astounded me. The same goes for Mattchew as well. Lack of contribution or care for find Mafia, close to no reads with almost no explanation or reasoning. | ||
Foolishness
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United States3044 Posts
Mafia iGrok's Normal - 2.8 Emergency Mini - replaced in and had less than 1 page of filter Liar game - 3.5 Werewolves - 2.5 Town PYP redux - 3 JubJub - 4.2 Resistance 2 - 7 pages by start of Mission 3 Arkham City - 11.5 Mafia L - 3 pages at end of day 1 (he was lynched) Election Mafia - 9 pages under hydra with syllogism. This game you have barely made it to page 4....hmmm.... | ||
Foolishness
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United States3044 Posts
On July 22 2012 02:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar two proven messenger roles that can target town. One is sum right? Its Chezinu imo imo. Weren't you just trying to tell us sandroba was scum? | ||
supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
10. Meapak_Ziphh 7. VisceraEyes 16. GGQ 15. syllogism at least 2 of them are guaranteed scum, otherwise the setup makes no sense balancewise. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On July 22 2012 02:32 Foolishness wrote: Weren't you just trying to tell us sandroba was scum? AS usual, not reading the thread. It all revolved around my paranoid belief that sandroba was bussing his teammates and was an executive. This was disproven A) by him messaging me and B) by Kurumi flipping town. Keep up Foolish, we can't carry you all game. Gonna have to do something bro. BM has claimed some kind of vote-stealer. The fact that he claims it gives me hope that he's town, because I can see scum wanting to hide that power until necessary (Read: TL Mafia XLVIII). Jackal essentially won the game for us with it after we all mass-scum-claimed. *shrug* He's calling me scum, but I think he's just misguided. He doesn't believe it strongly enough to push my lynch, and others have expressed at least passing suspicion of me (Mattchew, layabout?, marvellosity). Would scumBM not have pushed my lynch under these conditions if he were "suspicious" of me? | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On July 22 2012 02:41 supersoft wrote: 6. Foolishness 10. Meapak_Ziphh 7. VisceraEyes 16. GGQ 15. syllogism at least 2 of them are guaranteed scum, otherwise the setup makes no sense balancewise. What does this list even mean? I don't belong on a list with Foolishness. | ||
supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
26. Palmar town 3. Sandroba town 11. Supersoft town ???-Vets& 6. Foolishness 10. Meapak_Ziphh 16. GGQ 7. VisceraEyes 15. syllogism Troll 8. Bill Murray 18. Chezinu dead 25. RebirthofLegend town 19. Kurumi town 13. Wherebugsgo town yes you do VE. I devided the playerlist in two parts. in these parts in another 3 parts *4 parts for this part. because 3 of this list are already dead. There were 13 players on that list. That means about 4 of them are scum. 3 of them are dead and one of them is me. 1 is sandroba and 1 is palmar. 2 of them are troll i cannot possibly read because they never make any sense. syllogism makes most sense of the 5 remaining players. leaves you, mz, foolish and GGQ if one of the trolls is scum and i made one mistake, 2 of you are scum | ||
syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On July 22 2012 02:26 Katina wrote: Why do you think I should be shot? You have yet to give any reasons to why you think I'm Mafia. You have done close to nothing this game besides popping in every now and then, and giving a brief hit and run then off again. You know who is known for hit and runs? Mafia, have you not seen the old Mafia movies??. Your uselessness this game has astounded me. The same goes for Mattchew as well. Lack of contribution or care for find Mafia, close to no reads with almost no explanation or reasoning. No, you're just not reading the thread. On July 20 2012 00:20 Palmar wrote: I'm also reconsidering my stance on Katina being scum. I assumed she must be town because of how confrontational she was with me and foolishness. But for some reason she seemed to think Bugs was scum at one point (other most likely wrong reads in that list include supersoft and of course sandroba wtf.) I have a hard time believing even she could be this wrong. Also, I'm not included in that list. At the time I was active in the thread and there wasn't much interest in attacking me. I wonder if she forgot about me, or left me out due to popular opinion: Looks like she remembered me later though, and funny enough, she remembered me at a time where I was not active in the thread at all, however, due to syllo's accusations, a few people had entertained the idea of me being scum. perfect opportunity to slide me back into her suspicion list. At least she fixed sandroba out this time. Popular opinion important right? | ||
supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On July 22 2012 02:20 Palmar wrote: I haven't caught up since last night. Did Chez ever claim messenger role? The way Chez does, yes. And he sent me a message so... | ||
syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On July 22 2012 03:21 supersoft wrote: palmars performance so far is extremely poor that's true... However sandrobas scumrevealingpower makes one feel like it's unnecessary to analyze players. You clearly don't know him at all while me and sandroba do and we both think Palmar is mafia. Why do you think he is town if you think his performance has been "extremely poor"? Do you honestly think your theory not only explains his overall behavior, but makes him town? | ||
Blazinghand
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United States25550 Posts
On July 22 2012 03:21 supersoft wrote: palmars performance so far is extremely poor that's true... However sandrobas scumrevealingpower makes one feel like it's unnecessary to analyze players. I don't think that would stop a town palmar from doing analysis and scumhunting. Palmar isn't the type to blindly rely on an unconfirmed Follow the Cop strategy-- town Palmar is plain about his reads pushes, things aggressively, and openly scumhunts. He's also highly active. This departure from his meta isn't ENORMOUS (like, say, in purgatory where he barely posted as scum) but it's THERE. It's not like Palmar is an utterly incompetent scum player, I'm sure he's trying to mask his scum meta. He just hasn't done a perfect job of it, and we would be unwise to ignore it. | ||
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