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Hey guys I checked MsZontar but I was roleblocked.
I think we have a pretty good lynch in VisceraEyes and that's what I think we should be going for today.
His early game was chaotic but that's characteristic of him and I wouldn't blame him for doing something, anything to get the game started. What you should note is that it is pretty obvious that he's doing something, anything to get the game started.
On July 06 2012 22:47 VisceraEyes wrote: [...]
##Unvote ##Vote: prplhz
Let's see if he wants to play now, or if he wants to continue playing like a troll. This is the post where he votes me (first vote on me) and he very clearly says that he thinks I'm a troll. The early game phase should be somewhat over by this but alright, he wants to pressure me 'cause he thinks I should shape up. Fine. But notice how he says that I'm a troll which means that he doesn't really think I'm scum, just trolling a bit like people do in the early game.
Now just three posts later and without mentioning me at all he says this:
On July 07 2012 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote: [...]
Prplhz needs to get in here and either claim scum and self-vote and tell me the names of his partners or he needs to come establish his innocence by participating in the various discussions occurring right now. Tired of this prpl. If you're town you should be ashamed of yourself. If you're scum, thank you for telling your team to fuck off by so clearly illustrating your alignment to me and the rest of the class. Look at how hard his rhetoric is "either claim scum or be ashamed of yourself" this is way overreacting to what he just acknowledges was early game trolly posting. He's trying to take a hard stance but it's really conflicting with what he just said about me.
On July 07 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I'd really like prplhz to come explain his actions before we move on...because I'm totally fine with my vote where it is if this is the median level of play we can expect from prplhz this game. I fucking called his shit in MSM and I'm not letting him escape again because he lurked his way clear of suspicion.
YOU HEAR ME PRPL YOU'RE NOT GETTING AWAY THIS TIME BRO I already mentioned this but here is more wobbling, "before we move on" and then the weird capitalized "YOU'RE NOT GETTING AWAY". It looks like he's trying to take a hard stance but it's very apparent that he isn't.
On July 07 2012 06:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean...someone's gotta say it.
Would scum act like that? Flippantly fingering their foes frivolously?
That's my only problem with a prplhz lynch at this point...he's smart enough to realize that acting like this would bring about suspicion...but he's like gone, man. Would scum do something like that only to disappear and allow the shit to boil over? More wobbling but this post seems really fake and constructed and hesitant to me. "I mean...someone's gotta say it." looks so careful, is this how you think of VisceraEyes? He usually just says stuff that is on his mind, but the only times he does it in this game is when he's trying to take a hard stance on something where he doesn't have a hard stance.
Then we have these two posts:
On July 07 2012 07:15 VisceraEyes wrote: I shit I just broke Kenpachi Rule #2. :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
On July 07 2012 07:22 VisceraEyes wrote: "The first person to use the term 'pro-town' is scum"
...or something like that. This is a bit silly to call attention to yourself like this if you are town. But the most striking thing about this is that VisceraEyes is apparently rereading his own filter looking for scummy things. Who rereads their own filter and who does this looking for things that might look scummy? This scrutinizing and worrying about what you said is something mafia do.
Already said this but VisceraEyes pulls out the weirdest argument ever for voting me over Sinensis when zentor asks him about it:
On July 07 2012 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't appeal to authority marvel, come on.
Zentor, Sinensis has all of ONE post guy...by virtue of post-count ALONE, prplhz has had more of a chance to prove his towniness than Sinensis has.
5 one liners is apparently so much more than one 4 liner that I should be looking really townie. It looks like he's just trying to make up some excuse instead of looking at it objectively and saying something like "they're both really scummy but I want to see where this leads".
Already said this but after calling me out several times in the thread I show up and then he has absolutely nothing to me. I have a 5 line filter at this point but he asks me a question that proves that he didn't even read it. His unvote is nonsense, if he was voting me to pressure me into posting better then it doesn't make sense to unvote me while calling my posting "asinine".
Then after I write a small case on him he votes me and then he dismissed my case... as OMGUS. Why isn't he just responding to my points? My case wasn't very big (because I usually dislike big cases like these). But see he finally takes a hard stance on me in this post:
On July 08 2012 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote: More than what? His early play is BS, and he shitty blue claimed, and is now OMGUSing me when the reasoning for me disliking his play is the same that many others have given. He's just trying to BS now, taking on a well known player "because why would scum do that under scrutiny" or some shit.
No, I don't believe his claim. A cop wouldn't act like he acted at the beginning of the game, I can't see it. That's not suboptimal, that's antiproductive. All it's going to do is get votes on you forcing you to claim...and then he blames me for it.
LOL "bullshit" "I don't believe his claim" "cop wouldn't act like he acted" "That's not suboptimal, that's antiproductive" he's taking a really hard stance here. Cool. Does he follow up on it?
On July 09 2012 13:21 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: Sinensis
For reasons previously stated. No. New day, I didn't post since that other post (it's okay that he didn't follow up on it the day before because I wasn't getting lynched) but today is another day and he has a chance to push his biggest scum reads but he just throws his vote at Sinensis when that lynch is getting momentum.
I don't like his Sinensis case at all and having bad reasons for lynching people is a big scum tell.
On July 08 2012 15:57 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 13:03 Sinensis wrote: Wow I thought I was going to be thrown under the bus for sticking to my gut (as per usual), and you guys go and kill someone completely different on nothing but gut and weak meta?
Keep an eye on those that switched votes from me to wiggles in my opinion.
That's sloosh, VE, and dangeresque. I would gamble one of them is mafia. As a townie, it occurs to me that anyone switching off of me would get townie points from me if the target flips town in the lynch in question. Why? Because it doesn't make sense from a scum perspective to change from one townie to another and risk coming under scrutiny for late-switching. It makes much more sense, from a townie perspective, to assume that those who for whatever reason tried to find an alternative candidate and avoid a no-lynch scenario while switching off a known townie (myself) are town. Fundamentally, it should make no sense from a scum perspective to switch late onto another townie, if Sinensis were town. That's why I think he's viewing the game from a different perspective - from a scum perspective. This is the crux of his argument. This is so hilariously ironic because I just accused VisceraEyes of the same, VisceraEyes unvoted me (apparently thinking I was townie enough) and then in that very same post he said "Come at me bro" but he didn't feel like responding to that. Townies might not respond because they don't think it was a scummy thing to do, but then they wouldn't attack others for it either! Double standards. Fact is that he is attacking somebody who has been under attack for a bigger part of the game which is symptomatic for VisceraEyes this game, first me then Sinensis.
##Vote VisceraEyes
I don't really know about this Sinensis case. It seems to me like he just wrote a "that" instead of an "if" and it's not really a big deal. slOosh also made assumptions about scum night action here:
On July 09 2012 11:49 slOosh wrote: Hah, with prplhz' check this game could be over today.
##Vote VisceraEyes Implying that I had a check (when it's pretty logical that scum don't want me checking anybody).
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Uh, there were four votes on me and slOosh said he'd vote for me but he just wanted to wait to see the Sinensis thing. Implying that it didn't look like wherebugsgo would vote for me is ludicrous.
How would you feel with the five biggest town voices on your back with 8 hours left and you knew you couldn't be around much until deadline? I think that zentor and zontar defended me, woopdeedoo. You even said "I don't care about what you think" and that's what I thought when I saw you people on me, you wouldn't care about anybody else and just listen to each other.
What is your opinion on VisceraEyes?
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Well maybe it was only three. Do you seriously think it looked like neither wherebugsgo nor slOosh would jump on my lynch? The both argued vocally against me. Do you expect me to just stay silent and then claim 4 hours before deadline when I can't post anymore at all? I gave you the necessary information in time for you to react and ask me questions and I felt that that was the best way to do it.
I think slOosh looks townie enough. I read his filter yesterday and nothing really tinkled my senses since then.
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Can someone tell why zentor is scum? All I saw was marvellosity threatening zentor and apparently now he's all the rave.
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I'm here I'll post shortly.
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I lynched zentor before because he was acting antagonistic. I don't really know what to think about him but the fact that he's actively trying to piss off a confirmed townie and proven scum hunter just seems like something scum wouldn't do, especially a player like zentor. I think you might be tunneling him with your "power games" and because he is really good at pissing people off marvellosity. It really looks different from outside and I know because I've tried the inside and now I'm looking at it from the outside. I caught him in BBM2 because he was posting carefully and non-contributory (just a token case on day1, big posts with no content) but that's not how he is posting right now. This really seems more like his town meta.
I don't like how VisceraEyes is avoiding a lynch because people are switching onto easy targets (Sinensis, zentor). We have a really good case on VisceraEyes and people seems to acknowledge this but for some reason no one is voting him which I don't like. Why did slOosh change away from some guy who he says he thinks is pretty much confirmed mafia just to lynch some easy target in zentor?
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I don't want to lynch zentor and I think we should lynch VisceraEyes. You said you'd have some thoughts on VisceraEyes, where are those?
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So what does that mean? Do you want to lynch VisceraEyes or zentor?
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On July 11 2012 09:09 HiroPro wrote:A friendly reminder
"2.) Don't spam. This isn't IRC, try to consolidate your posts, its horrible when pages 20-80 are all one line posts between two players yelling at each other" ... or one player yelling at everybody else
Going to bed 'cause it's pretty late.
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Hey guys
I usually just look for one scum at a time but we're at LYLO tomorrow. marvellosity is confirmed town by his vigilante shot. Dangeresque77 looks town and there was a roleblock confirming his role, I doubt that scum would tie themselves together like that on day1. Zephirdd has been playing a townie game (and he can't be the roleblocker). That leaves slOosh, Bluelightz, zentor and Sinensis. Of these I think that zentor looks townier. He has been doing something that is very uncharacteristic of scum (as I already pointed out). I think slOosh looks pretty bad by now. Bluelightz has been under the radar for the entire game which I don't think is very much like him. Sinensis is kind of a null but he would be my last scum.
I'll flesh these out if I'm alive tomorrow but now you have my opinion.
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like look at that shit lol
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This is not apathetic. I've had a busy day and I don't feel like writing huge cases, my reads are what I just wrote and I'll flesh them out tomorrow if I am alive. If I flip them you have them for what decision you make tomorrow. Why wouldn't scum hit a cop? They can't kill marvellosity because there is a jailkeeper (I don't think that strongarm kills through jailkeeping and we don't even know if scum has a godfather or that he didn't use strongarm yet) and they can't roleblock him without allowing me to make a check. You are just making wild assumptions about what scum will do or will not do and trying to incriminate me like that and that's one of the reason I think that you are scum. Why aren't you afraid of getting shot? You just pointed out the entire scum team didn't you?
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rofl slOosh
I am very clearly saying that I'll do it tomorrow if I'm still around and I'm not going to run away from that or you can freely lynch me. You can't just assume that I'll never do what I've promised just because I didn't do it within 20 minutes, and using that to call me scum is nothing short of ridiculous and frankly it looks quite desperate.
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Strongarm doubles kill power and jailkeeper usually protects from infinite kill power (by simply making people impossible to target). Strongarm would be used against medic who usually only protects against one hit or veteran who usually only has one extra night life. It's to deter "follow the cop"-like scenarios which can't happen with jailer/cop combo.
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Yo
I already talked about my suspicions of slOosh because he made a very logical mistake, he assumed that I was very serious about marvellosity being scum when it was two pages into the game and I hadn't presented a single argument. He used this to attack me for a comment on VisceraEyes/marvellosity (the "not again.......") when it was pretty obvious that that wasn't very serious either, they weren't doing anything even remotely resembling what happened in MSM. It seemed to me like he was purposely misinterpreting me just so he would have a dumb but original argument for voting me which seemed scummy to me.
His first case also stood out to me. It all starts out with "I've been trying to scum hunt in a new way and I don't really know if I'm doing it right" which sounded odd, why would you want people to think of your analysis as experimental and inaccurate? Why are you even making this case if you think you can do better scum hunting in another way? It's cool that you want to try something new out but forcing it into the thread when it is sub par makes no sense. The case itself was also weird, he is accusing Sinensis of being really stubborn in his defense of me and being antagonistic. This stood out for me because those things are actually slightly townie tells if you don't know anything about Sinensis (that that's actually the way he plays in which case it's more like null). The whole case also stands out to me as a "token contribution", even though he says that he knows he needs to stand by his reads he doesn't actually push the Sinensis lynch, the rest of the day is spent talking about who else people want to lynch until he switches to drwiggl3s.
This post also bothered me 'cause he is just attacking my case with a very generic argument "You just don't think he is playing townie enough". I don't think that was what I did but even if it was, that's a pretty good argument too! People need to play their townie game or else you should get suspicious of them which is why I got suspicious of slOosh in the first place (because he was misinterpreting me and trying to lynch me on it).
This post contained the very silly "If you take away the MrZentor tag", but you don't! He made those posts, you have to judge him by that! You can't just take stuff away and leave the rest in that makes absolutely no sense in mafia. zentor is one of those people, if he played dota2 he would pick furion and not participate in team fights or ganks and just jungle the entire game until his team lost and you can't just ignore that, especially when he actually has a pretty clearly defined meta. You can't just take away parts of the game and then leave the rest in, you cannot take away anything. He is blatantly ignoring a simple fact so he has an argument to lynch someone who isn't acting particularly scummy.
slOosh's big case on me:
On July 11 2012 13:40 slOosh wrote: Case on prplhz
Scum attributes: apathy, subtle accusations
Point 1: The cop claim prplhz goofs around D1 and ends up claiming cop:
Admits that he knows that I was pretty much goofing around, yet he is taking it very seriously.
As discussed prior, his claim is really off. Why would he do it? You can trust town motivated marv and NSH who both expressed concern about the claim. The thing that most surprised me was how he claimed cop. He snuck it into a giant wall of text as a little aside, one that I actually missed till marv freaked out about it:
That's because it is factually irrelevant. I wrote that in the post, it doesn't matter. I knew though, that it would likely be a bigger deal to other people so I wrote it because I wanted to give people all the information they needed to make a decision. You yourself acknowledge that it doesn't mean a thing so why are you bothered that I don't consider it a big deal either? And why aren't you reading the big defense of the guy that you are voting for, you skipped that post or the cop part would jump out at you for being... a cop claim!Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 22:45 prplhz wrote:Yea it's pretty hard to summon the energy for anything when five of the biggest town voices in this game are on your back for a couple of one liners. I can't really explain them away with huge town motivation 'cause there weren't much, I was in a bad mood so I did a trolly early game to cheer myself up and then this happened. I can't see another feasible lynch today other than Dangeresque77 and I don' really see him as scum and day1 is often a crap shoot so why not shoot me for being crap. VisceraEyes himself starts the game out with a dumb vote just to get things started. Dumb shit happens in the first few pages all the time. He should really know this because he did it himself but he doesn't. He also seems the the most "bandwagonny" of the people on me, he doesn't contribute with new arguments and it doesn't seem like he understands the case on me at all even though he talks a lot. He called out for me several times and then when I appear he doesn't actually have anything for me. That seems like he is pretty happy with the lynch and he just wants to look good when it's over. Stuff like: On July 07 2012 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't appeal to authority marvel, come on.
Zentor, Sinensis has all of ONE post guy...by virtue of post-count ALONE, prplhz has had more of a chance to prove his towniness than Sinensis has.
So because I have five posts of one line, I should be a lot more townie than a guy with one post of four lines? What is this argument? I still don't get why he says that NoSmurfHere is wherebugsgo when he saw the *yawn* thing too and that looks really Aceish. On the other hand it seems like Ace is one of wherebugsgo's favorite players on this forum and maybe he unconsciously adopted some of his mannerisms. I would really rather wait until everybody's been around and talked this through but I'm not sure how much I'm going to be around tonight. I think this lynch is going to be pretty bad 'cause it was a bandwagon off of 5 lines and there's not a lot to get from it when I flip so I'm just going to go ahead and claim cop. Not that it matters for the lynch or anything but maybe some of you want to take it into your considerations.Sorry for sucking so much. Some days are better than others and sometimes you have a shitty day1 and then you get lynched. I haven't been lynched on day1 since forever (actually, I don't think I've ever been lynched on day1, a night1 shot is the best I can do I think) because people know that I always put in some effort. I have like 100 games and no activity modkills. He just outted himself as cop and rendered his blue power useless. Not only that, but the "not that it matters" just shows apathy to town. It is unreasonable to treat a power role so flippantly and claiming so casually, as it makes it so much easier for mafia to deal with it. Apathy. That wasn't apathy, that was very logical thinking. It does not matter and you agree with this as I just showed, why are you attacking me for agreeing with you? It should be pretty obvious from that post that I was emotionally distraught by almost being lynched on day1 I felt like I'd let you guys down and that this was the only way I could possibly save myself. No idea what post you are reading.
Point 2: Subtle accusations against me Multiple times does prplhz say that I did something suspicious, but never has he actually considered me as scum (build a case, engage in conversation with me, discuss me with anyone else). I never wanted to lynch you. I don't write cases on people I don't want to lynch, I mostly leave people alone and observe. I don't like pressuring people 'cause I think that makes them harder to read.Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 18:11 prplhz wrote: I don't get how slOosh can actually think that I was sure that marvellosity was scum. He even expresses doubt at this himself but then he just ignores that. First of all it was like two pages into the game. Who the hell has a clear read then? When did anybody ever post something that wasn't gauging reactions in the first pages of a game? Second, if I was sure that he was scum then it would be because there were some really good arguments and then I would have told you guys. Instead slOosh is using this to call me scum when he should really know better.
I didn't do anything? Well that's right, I wasn't here. Yesterday was pretty crappy for me which also contributed to my thread presence. I saw that I got a PM and then I thought "cool, I know how to start this game, I'll do setup speculation" but first I voted slOosh because I thought it was funny that our filters would be identical (single vote, no explanation) but his would be scummy and mine wouldn't (his had no reason and mine has the clear reason that his didn't) and I like to try to cheer myself up when I am in a bad mood. I was kind of trying to cheer myself up. Then I went to setup page and saw that this was a semi-open setup and I had thought it was an open setup (I thought it was Radfield's setup from Newbie Mini Mafia XX) and I don't really know why but that just put me in a crappier mood (not that I prefer open setups to semi-open setups, just that I couldn't do setup speculation like I had planned to). Then I just voted marvellosity to gauge his reaction and to argue with someone ('cause I like a good argument and I was trying to cheer myself up) but he didn't react spontaneously like I had wanted him to (like the "lol, ok" in MSM). Then marvellosity and VisceraEyes had a couple of thoughtful posts in no way similar to what they did in MSM and I posted "not this again........" as a joke, again, to cheer myself up. Then people posted full cases on me but I didn't really feel like responding to any of it (and I don't think that I really can) because I was in a bad mood and then I just pointed out that Dangeresque77 was being way more scummy than I was and I left the thread.
I'm going to be back in a few hours but I'm not going to be around for deadline. This is his post when he is defending and explaining himself. What I've quoted is only part of the full post. In his "defense" post, he spends more time subtly accusing me rather than actually explaining himself. You can clearly see he has some problems with my play. What does he do with it? Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 20:35 prplhz wrote:I don't really know about this Sinensis case. It seems to me like he just wrote a "that" instead of an "if" and it's not really a big deal. slOosh also made assumptions about scum night action here: On July 09 2012 11:49 slOosh wrote: Hah, with prplhz' check this game could be over today.
##Vote VisceraEyes Implying that I had a check (when it's pretty logical that scum don't want me checking anybody). Another instance in which he subtly accuses me. He clearly has a problem with what I said, and insinuates that I'm illogical in the post. Yet he never pursues a lynch on me. Calls me suspicious but never treats me as scum. This isn't a subtle accusation, at this point I was leaning town on you, this was a direct defense of Sinensis (who I also directly defended earlier). You are making stuff up.I'll quote myself here - addressing his third subtle accusation post.Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 01:02 slOosh wrote:On that note I don't trust prplhz for his 3rd subtle accusation against me. Really, that last line On July 10 2012 19:52 prplhz wrote: Why did slOosh change away from some guy who he says he thinks is pretty much confirmed mafia just to lynch some easy target in zentor? is totally unnecessary for the post he made. It's casting doubt on me, its a misinterpretation (I never called him as such, the vote switch happened much earlier in the day following marv's pressure on MrZentor), and defends MrZentor as an "easy" target. For someone who overly uses the phrases "I don't really know what to think", "This really seems", "I think you might be" concerning MrZentor's alignment, blatantly calling him an easy target is a huge contradiction. Again he points out things he finds suspicious with me, but never moves to discuss it or get a better read. This is apathy - town care about lynching scum. He clearly has had several issues with me thus far, but he never does anything with it. Furthermore, there is inherent contradiction as two times (posts that come between the accusations) does he say I look townish. I honestly have no idea what this is, it wasn't a subtle accusation, it was a question to marvellosity (shouldn't that give bonus points since you complain that I don't ask enough questions?) How is this even subtle? I am asking him a very suggestive question because I am starting to suspect you again. And zentor is an easy target. That's how I got him lynched on day1 in MSM.Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 06:18 prplhz wrote: I like slOosh a better though after seeing rereading his filter.
Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 22:46 prplhz wrote: I think slOosh looks townie enough. I read his filter yesterday and nothing really tinkled my senses since then. This is extreme hedging. Calls me townish, points out suspicious things in me. Calls me townish, points out something suspicious. Allows him to play to town sentiment - he doesn't want to draw attention to himself by pushing me, but wants an avenue in which he is able to cast suspicion and doubt on me, and eventually set up the mislynch. No, it's because I reread your filter and I thought that you looked more townie than I remembered and I told myself not to get paranoid and give you a chance just because you wasn't looking very townie. These two quotes refer to the same read by the way, it's not like I changed my opinion on you all the time. You also called me successively scum, then town, then scum but there's nothing wrong with changing your read.
Point 3: More apathy, origin of VE case. This is related to my MrZentor scum read. So far what has prplhz accomplished this game? He claimed cop D1 because of weird play on his own part. D2 he calls VE scummy. If you reread how D2 unfolds (you should since we mislynched), how does it play out? He posts a case on VE and checks out. He comes back to defend himself a bit, and then as a MrZentor lynch starts up, he comes in with Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 05:43 prplhz wrote: Can someone tell why zentor is scum? All I saw was marvellosity threatening zentor and apparently now he's all the rave. A couple of posts later he gets the lynch back onto VE and checks out again. He started the lynch, but seems to have desire to discuss, or push his thoughts. Reminds me of what Mattchew did in Movie Mini. Starts it but has no involvement in it - only involvement is to redirect away from MrZentor lynch. I've addressed how he does it is also suspicious (he is hesitant but also confident in the same post that he calls zentor town, which betrays a pushing of agenda and mismatch in action and words). What? I wrote a big case on VisceraEyes and pushed it from the beginning of the day, when people were wavering for unapparent reasons I got things back on track. zentor wasn't even being lynched at the beginning of the day, you are just making stuff up. I didn't want to share or push my thoughts? I made a huge case and defended it to the end! What did you do with Sinensis on day1, in spite saying that you knew you had to be more confident in your reads? You supported a VisceraEyes lynch just as much as me, but you were only tangentially involved in both that and the zentor switch.
Conclusion: prplhz doesn't care about pursuing reads (the only one he had is the one on VE) but only in throwing subtle accusations at me, he isn't transparent (hasn't given a single opinion or mention of half the player list), only thing he does is redirect the D2 lynch from MrZentor to VE, frivolous cop claim.
Library closing, so this will be it until tomorrow unless I decide to stay up late.
Conclusion: slOosh is going to get lynched today because he is scum and he is either stretching the truth or straight up lying while not wanting to actually get involved in anything this game. slOosh usually looks so very townie just because of the coherent and easily understandable and correct thought process but this game he looks really off.
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Oh, I also want to mention that slOosh keeps saying I'm scum because I didn't post that case/defense yet which is silly because he could just have patience and then it will be posted. slOosh usually posts really sparse and only sticks to the point but here he finds it necessary to make up arguments to call me scum even though it is very obvious that they will later become invalid (just because then he'll have written my name in red and incriminating me that way).
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On July 13 2012 06:45 marvellosity wrote: The silence of people like prplhz/Danger/Bluelightz is really pissing me off. lol talk about timing
I checked Bluelightz yesterday by the way but I was roleblocked again. I think you should consider your prplhz/zentor as last scum and look at Bluelightz instead. The thing about Bluelightz is that I didn't really notice him this game when his recent successes and good play should have given him a lot more motivation (just look at Wheel of Fortune where he makes 5 cases in a day and he becomes the most townie of townies and Radfield wants to create a new mafia award just for him, he is not trying any of that right now).
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No need to get all religious, I'm right here.
##Vote slOosh
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zentor and Sinensis should vote for slOosh or we should consider changing to one of them.
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You do realize that if there is a townie among zentor/Sinensis then there is at least one scum on slOosh right now which means that he can unvote for no-lynch and then we could lose just because of that? zentor and Sinensis need to start talking and they need to switch their votes.
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