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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 04 2012 07:45 HiroPro wrote: It's hilarious how people actually think iGrok is doing something. Agreed. His results shall come, just keep heading towards that light at the end of the tunnel! Wait... it's day 4 already? Where did all the other townies go? | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgoLbFr8c0_7dERRMUVqYjQtb200SVVVd0lsaEpYV0E | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
I'd also like to remind that unless I understood it wrong, if you hit iGrok tonight, Saturn will take damage as well. (Unless someone hits iGrok and there is a medic on Saturn). Could the mods confirm if my assumption is right, that if the DK decides to change his carried player, it only takes effect starting from the next day? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 04 2012 07:50 talismania wrote: spreadsheet updated with roles. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgoLbFr8c0_7dERRMUVqYjQtb200SVVVd0lsaEpYV0E Wtf are you doing posting people's roles? | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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Mister Saturn
Vatican City State155 Posts
And any falcons should be hitting iGrok tonight. It doesn't matter if I get hurt. 1:1 trades are good for town. - Hiro | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17959 Posts
On July 04 2012 05:23 talismania wrote: TT my first mislynch as town. At least I don't die right away. Can people help me fill this out? I've discovered my problem is that I think everyone but mister saturn is town =/ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgoLbFr8c0_7dERRMUVqYjQtb200SVVVd0lsaEpYV0E This just doesn't read like scum responding to getting lynched. So while I'm happy with the overall outcome (Grush would've been my choice too if I had made sense of this post earlier and not been in a rush to get people on Tali and go afk), the way that lynch happened is not making sense to me. I'll try to make sense of what we learned there tomorrow. Just answering your questions and then going to bed. MrDedede - his plan for how to use his bus driving power seems pretty antitown since there is so much more vigilante power in the game than there is scum KP power. IMO he should be taking people he thinks are townie and bussing them with people who are unobtrusive and unlikely to get targeted by scum or by town. IMO a town busdriver would be best used as a protective role rather than an offensive role. Actually wait I think that he should bus drive us with someone scummy and then we should have all our vigs target igrok since that way we don't die when he does. I don't think I understand what you want me to do. I don't prevent actions on the recipient, I only move any actions that were on my first target onto the second. So if I bus from player A to player B and player B is getting vigi'd and A is getting medic'd, then player B gets vigi'd and medic'd. If both are getting vigi'd then B gets double vigi'd. So back to your post: if I drive FROM someone unobtrusive to a town player, I might as well not drive at all. If I drive from someone townie to someone scummy, then any mafia KB will hit the scumster AND any vigi shots aimed at him hit him too! That is, unless I completely misunderstood Toad's explanation of the bus driver mechanics. Please tell me my explanation is right and the targets aren't just swapped? @Tali: I cannot edit the spreadsheet. In any case I'll give you a list of my reads after the night is over. Don't want to give too many reads tonight, so scum can't wifom around what I am doing too much. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On July 04 2012 07:52 Cephiro wrote: I don't like that he's keeping his thoughts to himself for this long either. But I'm willing to trust in him for now and I'm expecting to see some detailed analysis of his opinion on the game after the night. I'd also like to remind that unless I understood it wrong, if you hit iGrok tonight, Saturn will take damage as well. (Unless someone hits iGrok and there is a medic on Saturn). Could the mods confirm if my assumption is right, that if the DK decides to change his carried player, it only takes effect starting from the next day? YES CHANGES ONLY WORK FOR THE NEXT DAY AND EVER AFTER THAT. IF I AM DK AND I AM CARRYING X ON N3, AM CHANGING TO Y ON NIGHT 3 AND GET HIT ON NIGHT 3 X GETS STILL HIT. IF I GET HIT ON D4 OR N4 Y GETS HIT. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17959 Posts
On July 04 2012 07:55 talismania wrote: Have you been playing? These are all claimed/revealed. I have a pretty damned good guess of what yours is too, but I'll let you claim that yourself, mr. cryptic. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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Mister Saturn
Vatican City State155 Posts
On July 04 2012 07:57 Acrofales wrote: I don't think I understand what you want me to do. I don't prevent actions on the recipient, I only move any actions that were on my first target onto the second. So if I bus from player A to player B and player B is getting vigi'd and A is getting medic'd, then player B gets vigi'd and medic'd. If both are getting vigi'd then B gets double vigi'd. So back to your post: if I drive FROM someone unobtrusive to a town player, I might as well not drive at all. If I drive from someone townie to someone scummy, then any mafia KB will hit the scumster AND any vigi shots aimed at him hit him too! That is, unless I completely misunderstood Toad's explanation of the bus driver mechanics. Please tell me my explanation is right and the targets aren't just swapped? Read what s&b said again. I'm pretty sure what he means is that you drive from townies to people you find suspicious. So any scum actions on those townies get done on possible scum instead. - Hiro | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On July 04 2012 07:57 Acrofales wrote: Hmm, I thought I'd make it for the lynch, but needed time with the gf. Kinda glad Tali didn't get lynched in the end: This just doesn't read like scum responding to getting lynched. So while I'm happy with the overall outcome (Grush would've been my choice too if I had made sense of this post earlier and not been in a rush to get people on Tali and go afk), the way that lynch happened is not making sense to me. I'll try to make sense of what we learned there tomorrow. Just answering your questions and then going to bed. I don't think I understand what you want me to do. I don't prevent actions on the recipient, I only move any actions that were on my first target onto the second. So if I bus from player A to player B and player B is getting vigi'd and A is getting medic'd, then player B gets vigi'd and medic'd. If both are getting vigi'd then B gets double vigi'd. So back to your post: if I drive FROM someone unobtrusive to a town player, I might as well not drive at all. If I drive from someone townie to someone scummy, then any mafia KB will hit the scumster AND any vigi shots aimed at him hit him too! That is, unless I completely misunderstood Toad's explanation of the bus driver mechanics. Please tell me my explanation is right and the targets aren't just swapped? @Tali: I cannot edit the spreadsheet. In any case I'll give you a list of my reads after the night is over. Don't want to give too many reads tonight, so scum can't wifom around what I am doing too much. YOU CAN USE IT BOTH OFFENSIVELY AND DEFENSIVLY IN THEORY BUT IN PRAXIS IT'S ALWAYS BOTH COMBINED: AS YOU SAID YOU ARE SWAPPING TARGETS (IF SWAPPING IS POSSIBLE, I CONSIDER DK-DAMAGE AND DK GRABBING LIKE A MAD HATTER AND THEREFORE NOT TARGETABLE BY RB OR SWAP) AND THAT WAY SOMEONE ELSE GETS HIT. IF YOU BUS A WITH B AND A GETS ATTACKED, THAT ATTACK GETS REDIRECTED TO B. SO IN A WAY YOU CAN USE IF DEFENSIVLY AND REDIRECT HITS AWAY FROM PEOPLE BUT WILL ALWAYS HIT SOMEONE ELSE, THEREFORE MAKING IT OFFENSIVE AS WELL. Edit: figured it's a little better to read with red color... stupid all caps. | ||
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Mister Saturn
Vatican City State155 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17959 Posts
On July 04 2012 08:02 Toadesstern wrote: YOU CAN USE IT BOTH OFFENSIVELY AND DEFENSIVLY IN THEORY BUT IN PRAXIS IT'S ALWAYS BOTH COMBINED: AS YOU SAID YOU ARE SWAPPING TARGETS (IF SWAPPING IS POSSIBLE, I CONSIDER DK-DAMAGE AND DK GRABBING LIKE A MAD HATTER AND THEREFORE NOT TARGETABLE BY RB OR SWAP) AND THAT WAY SOMEONE ELSE GETS HIT. IF YOU BUS A WITH B AND A GETS ATTACKED, THAT ATTACK GETS REDIRECTED TO B. SO IN A WAY YOU CAN USE IF DEFENSIVLY AND REDIRECT HITS AWAY FROM PEOPLE BUT WILL ALWAYS HIT SOMEONE ELSE, THEREFORE MAKING IT OFFENSIVE AS WELL. But just to be totally clear. When I drive from A to B, any action previously already hitting B continues to hit B, right? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17959 Posts
On July 04 2012 08:01 Mister Saturn wrote: Read what s&b said again. I'm pretty sure what he means is that you drive from townies to people you find suspicious. So any scum actions on those townies get done on possible scum instead. - Hiro No. S&B clearly thought the bus driver swaps people. I was planning on using it as a medic, driving hits away from townie people and onto scummy people. If targets are merely swapped then I really need to rethink my role, but I still don't think that's how it works. | ||
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Mister Saturn
Vatican City State155 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On July 04 2012 08:04 Acrofales wrote: But just to be totally clear. When I drive from A to B, any action previously already hitting B continues to hit B, right? IF YOU DRIVE FROM A TO B YOU ALSO ALWAYS DRIVE FROM B TO A. WHAT DO YOU MEAN WITH "any action previously already hitting B continues to hit B, right?" ? OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T BUS THINGS FROM A DAY-PHASE, IT ONLY WORKS FOR WHAT IS HAPPENING THAT VERY NIGHT, NO MATTER WHAT GOT IN FIRST. ALL NIGHT ACTIONS ARE TREATED AS HAPPENING IN THE SAME TIME EXCEPT FOR A POSSIBLE RB WHICH GETS DEALT WITH FIRST AND THE POSSIBILITY OF 2 BUSSES INTERFERRING WITH EACH OTHER IN WHICH CASE THE TIME OF THE PM'S DECIDES WHAT GETS APPLIED FIRST | ||
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kingdedede
Kazakhstan80 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Acro's posts] + On July 04 2012 07:57 Acrofales wrote: Hmm, I thought I'd make it for the lynch, but needed time with the gf. Kinda glad Tali didn't get lynched in the end: This just doesn't read like scum responding to getting lynched. So while I'm happy with the overall outcome (Grush would've been my choice too if I had made sense of this post earlier and not been in a rush to get people on Tali and go afk), the way that lynch happened is not making sense to me. I'll try to make sense of what we learned there tomorrow. Just answering your questions and then going to bed. I don't think I understand what you want me to do. I don't prevent actions on the recipient, I only move any actions that were on my first target onto the second. So if I bus from player A to player B and player B is getting vigi'd and A is getting medic'd, then player B gets vigi'd and medic'd. If both are getting vigi'd then B gets double vigi'd. So back to your post: if I drive FROM someone unobtrusive to a town player, I might as well not drive at all. If I drive from someone townie to someone scummy, then any mafia KB will hit the scumster AND any vigi shots aimed at him hit him too! That is, unless I completely misunderstood Toad's explanation of the bus driver mechanics. Please tell me my explanation is right and the targets aren't just swapped? @Tali: I cannot edit the spreadsheet. In any case I'll give you a list of my reads after the night is over. Don't want to give too many reads tonight, so scum can't wifom around what I am doing too much. On July 04 2012 08:05 Acrofales wrote: No. S&B clearly thought the bus driver swaps people. I was planning on using it as a medic, driving hits away from townie people and onto scummy people. If targets are merely swapped then I really need to rethink my role, but I still don't think that's how it works. | ||
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kingdedede
Kazakhstan80 Posts
SCENARIO: Player A is shot by Capt. Falcon Player B is copied by Kirby I drive from A to B. What is the outcome of the night actions? | ||
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