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On July 10 2012 02:12 Promethelax wrote:
...therefore vote Hopeless since he is scum.
I already said my entire scum read of Hopeless was based on day 1. His day 1 play was bad, I admit. His play since has been anything but.
Umlaut is the opposite. His early play was basically just blending in. The later the game has gone, the more scummy he has seemed, and when you add in his day 1 vote as an after-thought, it makes perfect sense if he is scum.
On July 10 2012 02:12 Promethelax wrote:
Yeah, this wishwashy crap from Kier has to go. Because of his claim I don't want to lynch him on the off chance (<10% in my mind) that he is telling the truth since if he really is dt we need him to win this game. Hopeless on the other hand has been playing scummy all along and Kier, my other high scum read, is now defending him after attacking him to create distance but not voting for him.
Wishywashy crap? I literally have DOUBLE the information now. I'm not going to stick with my first read just because it was my first read, Mr. "99% sure Fencer is scum".
On July 10 2012 02:12 Promethelax wrote:
I'll be voting Hopeless today and I'm confidant that we'll be on the right track to win this game after he is gone. Next up will be Kier unless he comes out with some brilliant reads coupled with dt investigation. His whole play has been full of shenanigans at this point investigating Myles instead of me his first night...I was his scummiest read and a player who all of you had as a town read. If he had looked at me to get a check on night one he would either know I was town and start to listen to me or know I was scum, claim and get me lynched which would be a huge win for town. Instead he checked Myles who, even if he was scum wasn't doing much so getting him lynched would not impact the scum team in a major way (unless he agrees with whoever said that the scum power roles are lurkers).
I investigated Myles because my case against you was much more solid than my case against him. I just haven't felt like I was able to get you lynched yet.
And I investigated Hopeless because it would give us information on him, you, AND Umlaut, which is obviously preferable to just investigating you.
On July 10 2012 02:12 Promethelax wrote:
So, with the inconsistencies in Kier's play and the scummy way Hopeless has been playing I am going to vote for Hopeless. Kier has put too much into the defense of Hopeless which makes me feel that Hopeless is more important to the mafia team. That only makes sense if he has a power role so I'm going to lynch Hopeless and next cycle Kier. Which will give us two dead scum and only one left to find.
Too much into my defense of Hopeless? Literally all I've said was I think his play post-day1 has been pro-town.
You and Umlaut have literally had each other's back for 2+ days, and even posted the EXACT SAME scumteam, in which 2 of the 3 have flipped town. That's just too convenient.
Anyways, its interesting that this game is going to come down to the lurkers deciding who to vote.
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Well Kier was right on one thing: it is on you lurkers.
Come through for town and vote Hopeless.
I can't imagine what Myles, Bob and Imperfection are doing. Guys: we need you in here, don't lurk. Post post post! We have to get scum in the next four hours! We can do it and all that has to happen is for two of the three of you to vote Hopeless to give us a chance in this game, don't let Keir's scum tactics sway you. Vote Hopeless.
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On July 10 2012 03:04 Promethelax wrote:
don't let Keir's scum tactics sway you.
Still trying to buy town cred all the way to the end, eh?
At least you're consistent I guess. Entirely wrong, but consistently wrong.
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On July 10 2012 03:16 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 03:04 Promethelax wrote:
don't let Keir's scum tactics sway you. Still trying to buy town cred all the way to the end, eh? At least you're consistent I guess. Entirely wrong, but consistently wrong.
Its cute how you try to fight it when you know you've lost, you are scum and everyone knows it. After we lynch Hopeless we'll lynch you.
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After you lynch me, the game is over.
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I still think it's Perfection but a nolynch will kill us just as well...
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On July 10 2012 03:35 BobTheLob wrote:
Vote count please?
Current vote count for day 4:
AmericanUmlaut (1): Hopeless1der
Hopeless1der (2): AmericanUmlaut, Promethelax
With 7 alive it takes 4 votes to lynch. 2 hours and 15 minutes remain
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On July 10 2012 03:19 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 03:16 Keirathi wrote:On July 10 2012 03:04 Promethelax wrote:
don't let Keir's scum tactics sway you. Still trying to buy town cred all the way to the end, eh? At least you're consistent I guess. Entirely wrong, but consistently wrong. Its cute how you try to fight it when you know you've lost, you are scum and everyone knows it. After we lynch Hopeless we'll lynch you.
I know I'm not scum. I don't know about Hopeless, but I don't believe he is.
You and Umlaut have put entirely too much defense into each other's baskest, so to speak. If you are in fact both townies, how are your reads on each other so perfect and unwavering when you take into account just how terrible the rest of both of your reads have been this game?
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I've decided to wait and vote on the person with the most votes in 1 hour, not much else I can do.
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On July 10 2012 03:52 BobTheLob wrote:
I've decided to wait and vote on the person with the most votes in 1 hour, not much else I can do.
What?
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This game gets more frustrating every day. If you're not interested in going through people's filters and coming to your own conclusions, why bother playing?  We really need people giving their thoughts, analyzing our cases and pointiing out the flaws. This is a super complicated logic game, we need all the brains in it picking over all the available information and helping us come to reasonable conclusions. Just voting for whoever has the most votes is... Bleargh...
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By no means does that condemn them both, but since Keirathi is so intent on not having me killed, he can't be scum (to me). That makes his DT check more credible (to me). Therefore, Myles, Keirathi and myself are town. (Myles might be Godfather, I'm pretty much counting on the fact that he is not here.)
That means that all three scum are between bob, perfection, umlaut and promethelax. Only one of those 4 can be town.
Bob just had a chance to basically say that he agrees with Prom/Umlaut and come very close to winning for scum. The fact that he didn't means that hes either not scum or they're concerned that they won't be able to get perfection to vote for me.
I'd like to believe bob is town as he just hasn't felt like scum to me.
Myles' vote is still in the air, but if he reads this post and agrees that I may not be town, we may have this in the bag without needing the information roles to claim anyways.
And pre-post edit to Bob's post on not voting yet: Well I can't really blame you for not voting yet bob, but at the very least you're going for a majority lynch. Can't fault you too much for that, but if you can go through the last couple pages of the thread and see if you can make a read on whether you think I'm scum or not.
If we don't get a majority lynch we are almost certainly going to lose, but you can still post a read to help sway the vote to who you think is the scummier player.
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Hopeless1der wrote:
Keirathi is so intent on not having me killed
I'm intent on not having you killed today. If we were both down to the last day, with 1 scum left, I would have another hard look at you. But I don't see this game playing out like that, so its a pretty moot point.
BobTheLob wrote:
I've decided to wait and vote on the person with the most votes in 1 hour, not much else I can do.
This is the most frustrating thing I've heard yet. Make up your mind, make a case. If you weren't going to put effort in, why did you sign up?
As far as my vote, I'm going to stick with UA. It really doesn't make sense that both he and Prom are still alive if they are both townies, and the unvote gambit really just felt like a big show to gain town cred. If you assume that at least one of the 3 people in that vote/unvote were scum, the better odds are on the side with 2 people than the side with one. Add on the fact that basically the entire case against Hopeless is day 1 and the gambit, I'm just not buying it for now.
##Vote AmericanUmlaut
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Also another thing I would like to point out in my defense as being DT:
If I was scum fake claiming DT, why would I claim that I was roleblocked? Why wouldn't I buy some cred with another townie (since I know who the townies are), and say they were innocent? I only have to get 1 person lynched to win, so if I can buy credibility with 2 people instead of just 1, why wouldn't I? It would make my job easier.
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I've given my reads. Perfection hasn't said anything in a while and in my opinion that's pretty scummy but not only that I'm getting annoyed at the fact that the scum are able to hide so well, I said earlier that Prome could be scum and was ignored, only now are people realizing that he's been pretty scummy since early on in the game. People are getting annoyed at me just majority voting and I get that but it's the only thing I can think of to do, in the past day nothing has changed, people who didn't post still are not posting and people who did still are. What I could say in the next hour wouldn't change anything.
In the end I still will vote for the majority but till then
##Vote Promethelax
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What you could say can always have an impact on the game, its practically the entire purpose of the game. If you don't explain why you are doing something and rely strictly on majority voting, what happens if the voting is tied 3-3 between me and Umlaut and you're the tie-breaker?
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I would Vote you, the arguments are much better against you then against Ulmaut as well despite me liking you more.
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BobTheLob wrote:
I said earlier that Prome could be scum and was ignored, only now are people realizing that he's been pretty scummy since early on in the game.
+ Show Spoiler +Now IMO Prome is scum and that's who I'll be voting tomorrow if we don't get anything better.
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On July 10 2012 04:19 Keirathi wrote:
If I was scum fake claiming DT, why would I claim that I was roleblocked?
If you were a real DT, why wouldn't you know and share the results of your first night's investigations?
If Keirathi were (hypothetically speaking) a DT, wouldn't he have been given his predecessor's reads upon taking over his slot?
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On July 10 2012 04:34 BobTheLob wrote:
I would Vote you, the arguments are much better against you then against Ulmaut as well despite me liking you more.
This makes no sense. You think Prom is scum, but you would vote for Hopeless? Prom has literally been pushing Hopeless all day. It is very, very obvious that they aren't BOTH. So do you think Prom is scum, or do you think Hopeless is?
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EPT
