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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 09 2012 20:39 GMT
#741
I'll give that a whirl Keirathi. The alternative is I die and we lose.

##Unvote
##Vote: Promethelax
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 09 2012 20:43 GMT
#742
On July 10 2012 05:39 BobTheLob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2012 05:37 Keirathi wrote:
Hopeless: how would you feel about voting Prom at this point instead of AU, if Bob is so against voting AU?

I gave them basically an equal read earlier today. My main reason not voting Prom instead of AU was that I didn't feel confident enough in my debate skill to convince people who had given Prom support and basically a free ride throughout the whole game to vote for him at this point. If he survived another night, maybe, but with the way today has gone, its virtually guaranteed that he will survive another night regardless of if he's scum or not.


I call bullshit on this, If you thought it was him then you should have at least said so, you are getting more and more scummy as the day goes on, what the fuck is up with that.


Bob, Keirathi has said Prom is his top read all along. And holy shit you got judgmental all of a sudden. Where the hell was this when we needed it.

His reasoning is laid out in this post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 10 2012 01:52 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 23:58 Promethelax wrote:
Kier: if you are around could you explain to me why AU is no more scum than me? I see the reasons you posted but they don't seem sufficient to make a 45% change in his scumminess. Maybe a 25% bu nothing so drastic as to make me totally positive that I will rest the fate of town on him being scum. How did I drop two (or more) spaces in your scum hierarchy? You aren't even comfortable pushing your scummiest read (me) from yesterday when we're in a lylo situation.

What I'm saying is: where does this inconsistency come from?


I don't necessarily think he is scummier than you. I also don't think I'm a good enough debater/convincing enough to get people that have shown you support all game to vote for you. The longer you stay alive, the scummier you seem, so while I feel you and AU and approx. the same read right now, I'm a bit more comfortable voting him today than you.

If you really want, I can lay out my full case against you, too, though.

Show nested quote +
On July 10 2012 00:12 Promethelax wrote:
And, in addition to that how did Hopeless become townie in your eyes? You had him as a scum read when you first showed up and are claiming to have investigated him last night without result. Why are you no longer willing to vote for him when he was a top 3 scum read? Of your other top threes you investigated 1 who came back green and you have deiced, it appears, that I am town as well. There is nothing in your filter to suggest why you changed your mind about Hopeless' play from scum to town and that worries me since Hopeless has been a scum read for just about the whole game and he keeps no getting lynched. Since he is probably scum and certainly still my best scum read your soft defense of him isn't working for me.

Explanation please.


I dunno, its hard to explain. His recent posting reeks of...desperation? But basically my whole scumread on him was based on his Day 1 actions, and there's virtually nothing since then that really feels scummy. I haven't completely dismissed him, but for now I'm not voting for him.


As far as my percentages changing, my reads were from Day1+Night1+Day2+half of Night2. Now I've been playing for another Half of Night2+Day3+Night3+Day4. There's basically double the information now.

Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 09 2012 20:44 GMT
#743
On July 10 2012 05:39 BobTheLob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2012 05:37 Keirathi wrote:
Hopeless: how would you feel about voting Prom at this point instead of AU, if Bob is so against voting AU?

I gave them basically an equal read earlier today. My main reason not voting Prom instead of AU was that I didn't feel confident enough in my debate skill to convince people who had given Prom support and basically a free ride throughout the whole game to vote for him at this point. If he survived another night, maybe, but with the way today has gone, its virtually guaranteed that he will survive another night regardless of if he's scum or not.


I call bullshit on this, If you thought it was him then you should have at least said so, you are getting more and more scummy as the day goes on, what the fuck is up with that.


This is the way I look at it: if I think Prom and AU both have an 80% chance of being scum, but Prom has town support behind him, then its obvious that I would vote and push AU instead. The longer Prom lives, the scummier he seems, and the more likely he is to make a slip. I felt more confident in my ability to get him lynched on a later day than I did today. That's it.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 09 2012 20:46 GMT
#744
##Unvote
##Vote Promethelax
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 09 2012 20:49 GMT
#745
On July 10 2012 05:36 Myles wrote:
This is how I see it - either Hopeless is scum and that's why it was hard for Prom/Umlaut to round up support, or Prom/Umluat are scum and that's the reason they couldn't drum up support. I'll be voting Hopeless because I think there's far more to suggest Prom and Umluat are town rather than scum, and Keirathi's story, after further review, does seem to have some holes in it.

##Vote Hopeless1der


Well, this basically seals the deal. I hope you are scum with them, because if not, you just made the worst read of your life.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 09 2012 20:50 GMT
#746
Also: I have a bad feeling about perfection at this point.

I have a feeling that he's here, and just waiting until the last second to hammer.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 09 2012 20:50 GMT
#747
Its either him or Iamperfection. We'll know in 10 minutes or so. MYLES WATCH FOR LAST MINUTE HAMMER FROM PERFECTION. HAVE A SWAP VOTE POST READY AND IF HE HAMMERS ME (AND YOU'RE TOWN) IT MEANS HE'S SCUM)
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2597 Posts
July 09 2012 20:51 GMT
#748
Christ, I don't think iamperfection is showing up. There are only 10 minutes to go.

Bob, if you vote for Promethelax it's 3-3. If iamperfection doesn't show up, then we've got no lynch and the scum win barring that they fire into a vet or our hapless medic finally defends someone. You've already made clear that you consider Hopeless a good lynch target. Please switch and give us a shot at taking this game another day. I can't stand to lose this game because of a no-show during LYLO.
The frumious Bandersnatch
BobTheLob
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada362 Posts
July 09 2012 20:51 GMT
#749
On July 10 2012 05:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2012 05:39 BobTheLob wrote:
On July 10 2012 05:37 Keirathi wrote:
Hopeless: how would you feel about voting Prom at this point instead of AU, if Bob is so against voting AU?

I gave them basically an equal read earlier today. My main reason not voting Prom instead of AU was that I didn't feel confident enough in my debate skill to convince people who had given Prom support and basically a free ride throughout the whole game to vote for him at this point. If he survived another night, maybe, but with the way today has gone, its virtually guaranteed that he will survive another night regardless of if he's scum or not.


I call bullshit on this, If you thought it was him then you should have at least said so, you are getting more and more scummy as the day goes on, what the fuck is up with that.


Bob, Keirathi has said Prom is his top read all along. And holy shit you got judgmental all of a sudden. Where the hell was this when we needed it.

His reasoning is laid out in this post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 10 2012 01:52 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 23:58 Promethelax wrote:
Kier: if you are around could you explain to me why AU is no more scum than me? I see the reasons you posted but they don't seem sufficient to make a 45% change in his scumminess. Maybe a 25% bu nothing so drastic as to make me totally positive that I will rest the fate of town on him being scum. How did I drop two (or more) spaces in your scum hierarchy? You aren't even comfortable pushing your scummiest read (me) from yesterday when we're in a lylo situation.

What I'm saying is: where does this inconsistency come from?


I don't necessarily think he is scummier than you. I also don't think I'm a good enough debater/convincing enough to get people that have shown you support all game to vote for you. The longer you stay alive, the scummier you seem, so while I feel you and AU and approx. the same read right now, I'm a bit more comfortable voting him today than you.

If you really want, I can lay out my full case against you, too, though.

Show nested quote +
On July 10 2012 00:12 Promethelax wrote:
And, in addition to that how did Hopeless become townie in your eyes? You had him as a scum read when you first showed up and are claiming to have investigated him last night without result. Why are you no longer willing to vote for him when he was a top 3 scum read? Of your other top threes you investigated 1 who came back green and you have deiced, it appears, that I am town as well. There is nothing in your filter to suggest why you changed your mind about Hopeless' play from scum to town and that worries me since Hopeless has been a scum read for just about the whole game and he keeps no getting lynched. Since he is probably scum and certainly still my best scum read your soft defense of him isn't working for me.

Explanation please.


I dunno, its hard to explain. His recent posting reeks of...desperation? But basically my whole scumread on him was based on his Day 1 actions, and there's virtually nothing since then that really feels scummy. I haven't completely dismissed him, but for now I'm not voting for him.


As far as my percentages changing, my reads were from Day1+Night1+Day2+half of Night2. Now I've been playing for another Half of Night2+Day3+Night3+Day4. There's basically double the information now.



Ah I forgot about that I'm sorry, at any rate where was I, I was dealing with personal shit, my grandmother was in the hospital, but as I said its all good now.
BobTheLob Lurker extraordinaire
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
July 09 2012 20:55 GMT
#750
Current vote count for day 4:

AmericanUmlaut (0):
Hopeless1der (3): AmericanUmlaut, Promethelax, Myles
Promethelax (3): BobTheLob, Keirathi, Hopeless1der

Not yet voted: iamperfection

With 7 alive it takes 4 votes to lynch. 5 minutes remain
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
BobTheLob
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada362 Posts
July 09 2012 20:57 GMT
#751
Umlaut please. vote for prome
BobTheLob Lurker extraordinaire
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
July 09 2012 20:59 GMT
#752
## vote bobthelob

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
July 09 2012 20:59 GMT
#753
what the fuck!?
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 09 2012 20:59 GMT
#754
Ah well, if this ends like I expect, then GG scum. You played well. I wish I had a more dominant, leadership personality and could have lead town to victory. There's a reason I was never on the debate team.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 09 2012 21:00 GMT
#755
SCUM!!
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
July 09 2012 21:00 GMT
#756
And the hammer swings
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 09 2012 21:00 GMT
#757
THAT WASNT A HAMMER
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
July 09 2012 21:00 GMT
#758
Scum team wins. Full endgame post in a bit.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2597 Posts
July 09 2012 21:01 GMT
#759
Wait, what?
The frumious Bandersnatch
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 09 2012 21:01 GMT
#760
GODDAMNIT MYLES WHY WERENT YOU WATCHING
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