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What the fuck
To those of you who didn't send your actions to both myself and Artanis, please don't make that mistake in the future. I wasn't originally intending to drink half my weight in alcohol but because I did (and came home at 12pm lol) I was in no shape to do the daypost.
The new daypost is going up now: the day will be lengthened by 6 hours (to compensate for lost time) and instead the next night will be shortened so that we can reach normal deadlines again.
Stay tuned for the actual daypost.
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Oh yea, zephirdd is scum.
I actually like prplhz's case on zephirdd and I'm having a hard time justifying his response from a town point of view because of how purposefully vague it appears to be:
On June 24 2012 05:48 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 03:29 Shraft wrote:On June 24 2012 03:17 Zephirdd wrote:On June 23 2012 18:08 marvellosity wrote:
I'm not sure how you can play mafia Zeph if it feels fabricated to you. It means you have no pulse at all on the psychology and emotion in a game, and therefore I really don't know how you can even try to play successfully :/ AtE much? On June 24 2012 01:49 risk.nuke wrote:
rastaban zephirdd and zentor, what are your thoughts on eachother? rastaban sounds like town with bad cases. Zentor sounds trollish and uninterested, usually a signal of a VT(because VT is indeed an uninteresting role) or a scum(with the intention of creating confusion in the thread and wasting discussion). IMO, Zentor sounds like a good day 1 lynch atm. ##Vote MrZentor Can you explain why rastaban sounds like town? Because when I looked at Bang Bang I didn't really see any similarities with his play in this game. At least no similarities that you wouldn't expect from the same player regardless of alignment, anyway. How did you go from thinking that rastaban was your best scum read to thinking that he is town? All you said was this: On June 23 2012 04:47 Zephirdd wrote:On June 23 2012 04:25 slOosh wrote:
Rastaban looks townish to me; the main case against him right now looks like "he is playing bad", rather than "he is playing like scum".
Something in the back of my mind is still clicking everytime I read Snarfs. Can you cool cats reread his last post and tell me your thoughts? It would be great to get some discussion particularly from marv, prplhz and risk.nuke.
And as for now here will be my preliminary vote to hold me accountable.
##Vote: Snarfs All I read from his last post is "there is no difference between Zentor and risk.nuke". The only way this would be a scum tell if risk was scum. idk, snarfs looks null to me. Well, the most glaring scum tell so far(for me) is rastaban, but if you think about it he's just playing as his town meta(based on bang bang) and all he's done is a bad case, not a scummy case. Since he is "the most glaring scum tell so far" for you, you must've surely seen some clear signs pointing toward him being town when you read Bang Bang Mafia for you to believe that he is town. Maybe I should have explained it better. I said it was "the most glaring scum tell" because there wasn't anything else at the time. In the same post, I say that it's probably just a bad case. From what I've read, he is looking similar to his BangBang2 meta. similar.
First off, zephir appears to be saying that he is reading rasta as town. However, the italicized "similar" indicates to me that he is not committing to this stance at that point in time. It shows a person who wants to be able to backtrack on their words later on so that they can claim that they never felt one way or another about their reads. A town player should have no worries saying that they have a town read on someone if they truly do, but zephir is trying to cover his tracks.
Notice how this is a theme in his entire response to people calling him out:
Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 04:54 prplhz wrote:Okay I wanted to write a case on Zephirdd last night but then I really had to sleep and I've been busy today but here we go. On June 22 2012 08:41 Zephirdd wrote:
This is a semi-closed setup. If there are 13 players, it's possible that 12 are medics and 1 is a scum. Of course that's retarded as fuck, but nothing is concrete and we shouldn't think "but it's not common to 2 of X" exist ever. at all.
In fact, we can't even confirm the existence of a SK until after the night phase.
I'm not sure about Millers instaclaiming. While it clears path for cops(as it's pretty obvious that they will show red), it also reduces the number of possible blues, making it easier for scum. At least what I understood from the setup is that Millers can't be blues.
If anything, Millers should be breadcrumbing and claiming in case a cop calls them guilty. For all other purposes, they should be *Vanilla*(unclaimed, aka. possible blue) to make it harder for mafia to shoot into blues. This is the post in question. People have already said that this is a bad plan and I agree with that. My problem isn't that he's suggesting a bad plan. it's that I think it comes from a scum perspective. Scum are much more likely to suggest plans that they think are bad for them. For scum, it doesn't really matter if millers claim or not but what Zephirdd focuses on is how it will make them confirmed green and not blue. Zephirdd thinks that that will narrow down the pool of potential blues that scum can shoot which will be a plus for scum. Townies would never focus on this because they don't really care about blues, they care about analysis and avoiding chaos and that's what miller claims will help them avoid. This is really the crux of my case but I'm going to write some more that might convince other people too. First Zephirdd is pretty suspicious about rastaban. Worst case ever into doesn't feel like your other games. He never does anything. Next he has an epiphany that VisceraEyes and marvellosity are scum and again he doesn't do anything about it. No vote, no push, no anything. He looks pretty convinced from what he is saying but he's not acting on it. In the end he jumps on the zentor wagon as the 9th voter, an ultra safe vote based off of two lines of analysis that has already been made several times by other people. What you guys think about this? What do you expect me to do? Push for a no-lynch? That's essentially what I would do at this point. I disagree with a rastaban lynch right now. I agree with a MrZentor lynch right now. I disagree with both marv or VE lynch right now, but I will come back to this later. The problem about their lynch is that one is connected to another, but if one flips town then there is nothing to back up for the other lynch. tbh, a vigilante could use a shot on one of them(here vigis in this setup?) [--snip--]
Again, he responds in a manner that never actually reveals his opinions on people.
- His earlier reason for wanting to lynch MrZentor (as prplhz pointed out) was not that he thought he was scum.
- He says that he disagrees with a rastaban lynch right now.
- He disagrees with both a marv and a VE lynch, even though he's claimed that he feels they could both be scum bussing each other.
Even in his recent posts, it appears that he believes marv and VE are a scum team, but rather than actually attempting to prove that they are scum by finding real evidence, he makes crazy guesses which seem downright silly (as in, what information can be gathered from positing such wild ideas?) and doesn't actually show any commitment to pushing either marv or VE:
On June 25 2012 08:49 Zephirdd wrote:
That's not the thing. There is Probulous, Mattchew, prplhz, Snarfs, you, sloosh(...) who would be viable night shot targets. Why would they pick VE out of them all, considering most of his actions day 1 was to fight you and that's it? When there are so many targets out there, why would they shoot VE of them all?
Let me tell you what I think happened. VE was jailed. Then scum KP didn't happen. Then you thought "fuck, our goon was jailed." and then you posted that.
Overall, zephir's entire play this game has shown a fear to commit to any particular line of thinking; a fear I don't believe a town player would have, which is why I believe zephir is scum.
Now, another person who's been avoiding the spotlight and also caught my attention recently is Shraft. This one I'm a little less sure about and I think the fact that I have a town read on risk.nuke might be influencing my opinions. However, something about this post just seems off:
On June 25 2012 10:30 Shraft wrote:risk.nuke you need to step up your game. Wanting to lynch lurers and then lurking hard yourself makes you look bad. On top of that your only substantial post is the one where you defend yourself (you never followed up on that post either, despite saying that you would). Why would you even bother defending that hard when nobody agreed with his case anyway? You ask for the other lurkers to share their reads and to contribute, but you do nothing of the kind yourself. Aside from lurkers, you're only suspicious of rastaban (but you haven't really shared much thought on him either, it looks more like OMGUS to me). And what the fuck is this? Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 07:51 risk.nuke wrote:
Rastaban if you really are townie (which I don't think you are) you dodged a lynch last night and seeing how we mislynched a townie that makes the situation even worse for you. My point is if you don't want to die soon you should do something more usefull then dumb shit tunneling. He would've tried to dodge the lynch regardless of his alignment, why do you act as if it is a scum tell?
I'm not sure exactly what it is about this post that gets me, but it just seems like he's trying too hard to make something out of nothing. I don't even think risk.nuke mentions wanting to lynch lurkers. And asking why someone would bother defending themselves? I can imagine why a towny would want to defend themself....
It's certainly not a case on Shraft, more just a feeling at this point, but I'm definitely keeping my eye on him. For now though, my vote goes on zephir.
##Vote zephirdd
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ROFL, this should be good 
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Day 2
![[image loading]](http://www4.images.coolspotters.com/photos/89012/tom-hanks-and-forrest-gump-gallery.jpg)
On the second morning of production, prolific movie star Tom Hanks was shooting a scene in which he was taking his son to a bus stop. His son, played by Haley Joel Osment, was not much more than five years old.
At the on-location bus stop Artanis[Xp] waited; he actually had intoxicated the actor who drove the bus for the scene. Instead of arriving smoothly to a quick stop, the bus ran over father and son, smearing blood over the sidewalk.
slOosh, Tom Hanks (jailkeeper) didn't run fast enough.
Zephirdd, Haley Joel Osment (vanilla town) will forever see dead people.
Roughly 48 hours until 03:00 GMT (+00:00) to get in votes. With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch. The following night will either be shortened or lengthened to get the game back onto its normal deadline schedule.
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Oh good god 
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Ugh! Headed to bed now will worry about sorting this mess out tomorrow.
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Also snarfs for worst case timing ever lol.
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... pfft. Good luck town.
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Ahh fuck me
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On June 25 2012 07:05 slOosh wrote:
Finally, something interesting. This also probably means no SK.
On June 25 2012 07:32 Zephirdd wrote:
Also, the lack of a second kill(assuming the scum KP was blocked) means there is no SK... or he was jailed/roleblocked too.
This is so annoying >< The only two people who mention the removal of SK as a possibility end up dying at the new deadline. The fact is, unless someone claims a night 1 vig shot, there is a SK. If either of these guys were alive, they would be pretty much guaranteed not to be the SK. Fate, why do you laugh at me
Zephirdd looked more scummy than slOosh by a country mile. So by my logic it is reasonable to assume it was mafia who shot slOosh, not the SK. Mafia shooting Zephirdd would make no sense.
slOosh my man, sorry that we have let you down. We can chat after the game.
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Mattchew
You started the whole Marvel thing and given his incredibly vague response why is this all you have to say about him
On June 22 2012 13:42 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote:On June 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote:Hi All, I want MrZentor dead. On June 22 2012 07:16 marvellosity wrote:On June 22 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Let's try and figure out a way to figure out if we're town right here and right now...
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Because it's going to help me a lot if I can trust you. I now know you're a fucking beast as scum. What do you suggest? you may quiz me and i will answer your questions. Marv, if you were to pick out the differences in your scum play and your town play, what would you point to? I like this question a lot. I think there are a couple of possible tells. But tell me what you think first. I dislike this answer greatly. The entire reason I asked was because of how strong your scum play has been recently, and that seemingly no-one (especially in this game) could finger you as scum. I was looking for an answer that would leave me with things to hold you accountable for. Instead, you dodge the question completely. Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 09:50 marvellosity wrote:On June 22 2012 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 22 2012 09:42 marvellosity wrote:On June 22 2012 09:20 VisceraEyes wrote::OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Anyways look what I found guys! On May 30 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote:On May 30 2012 06:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Marvel, the correct response is "my thoughts are X and Y and Z"...my question of you wasn't an accusation, so there's no need to get defensive. Saying things like "I already said" and "I made a comment" are very defensive when all I wanted was your input.
:/ Much like Magic you are reading my responses as defensive when they were not. I'm just baffled you are asking questions I have already stated clear opinions on or at least alluded to. This was his defense in LV, the Zim themed large we were just in. Marv DOMINATED that game as scum, and look at what his first act of the game was (upon replacing in)! It was using his "meta" as a personalized defense against my accusations. Look at his defense this game! Oddly enough, it's a personalized "meta" defense again! Marv, your response? This is the second misrepresentation. Trying to compare a 'defence' in a game where I wasn't accused to my defence this game where I am in fact accused First misrepresentation: On June 22 2012 07:34 marvellosity wrote:
here's a clue
count how many times anyone said i said or even hinted at anything scummy in LV
see the pressure i was under at the start in magic at the start for wanting to shoot NT off the bat
compare to current situation
profit On June 22 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Probulous, what did you see when you went back and read Magic? When I went back, all I saw was a completely different opening strategy. I mean, he could just be doing a fast-expand or something, but it's looking kinda cheesy to me. :/ I clearly said what I was referring to in Magic and yet you try to pretend that you went and looked and didn't find anything. Despite the fact I said exactly what I was referring to. I "pretend" that I went and didn't find anything? I went and looked and I said EXACTLY what I found. I don't care about you wanting to shoot NT, nothing similar has happened this game to compare it to. When I went back, I found what I was looking for - you acting like a townie. You haven't done that this game. When I went and looked at your scum game, I found something there too - you defending yourself needlessly with meta . You HAVE done that this game. These aren't misrepresentations, they're observations I'm making. If you don't like it, STOP TELLING PEOPLE TO GO READ YOUR PREVIOUS GAMES. I've quite clearly stated I am not, stop it. The similar thing, VE, is that I wasn't afraid of saying something that was scummy in that game. In this game, unless you underestimate me which I think you do not, you should be aware that I know making a sidestep to Mattchew's question could be viewed scummily, and I'd avoid it like the fucking plague if I were scum. I don't like your grasping at straws to use "im smarter than doing something so scummy" as a defense. If you knew it would look scummy, why would you do it? It serves no town purpose to act willfully scummy.
On June 23 2012 04:10 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 02:36 Snarfs wrote:Also, I'm still waiting for Mattchew to come back and explain this: On June 22 2012 15:23 Snarfs wrote:
Mattchew, you claim that you had hoped that marv would write down some things that he does as mafia so that you can hold him accountable, yet it just appears as though the most likely thing that will happen is, if marv is scum, he will become more cognisant of his flaws as mafia and be more likely to attempt to avoid them. It seems like you didn't fully think that question through. I figured that of all people he would have more insight as to his differences and tells in his scum/town play, he would have the most information. It was extremely early in the game and was what I thought a good time to go into a self meta analysis that if he were town, he would gladly bestow upon us the things that he would use to set himself apart from scum. Instead, he sidesteps the question completely, not leaving us with anything to hold him accountable or help us get a read on him. Then he says that he knew this answer would be viewed as scummy, which if something is scummy, it is anti-town. I don't see why he would post like that knowing it would not help town.
From my reading it sounds like you think he is scum. You are certainly not happy with his reply. Which begs the question, if you are unhappy with his response but don't bother writing up a case, why ask the question? In fact you have nothing else to say about marvel at all.
Then when you do push a case it is this terrible excuse for a vote on rastaban
On June 23 2012 04:10 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 16:46 rastaban wrote:
Second, the focus of Marv makes me think of karma after seeing him do it to Gonzaw in our last game together. We need to be careful with tunneling though, when you push someone so hard day1, they will often come across as scum no matter what since the only content you have is them trying to defend themselves against accusations. He could be scum but I just want to say that we need to be cautious, as I feel the case against him is a bit biased. Now his day 1 "meta" is to spam 1 liners so I personally wouldn't mind him getting lynched if there isn't a better candidate but I feel like there is too much discussion on him this early in our day. Remember we have 48 hours, half that time hasn't even passed yet so I don't like the band wagoning on Marv so quickly.
That said I have a hard time getting anything from his filter right now. Some people analyze best when their quarry is under pressure but for me that introduces too many variables so I like to read posts where they aren't defending themselves. So marv would you mind answering the original question ( as leading as it may be) about what you feel are your tells, and second who do you feel is most likely scum? (big post by post case on Risk.Nuke that I am not quoting) Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:47 rastaban wrote:
When I review MrZentor I see someone who hasn't contributed much, which, while scummy, isn't enough to lynch yet in my opinion.,Especially when he commits to delivering something tomorrow. I have seen players like Foolishness say the same thing so I am inclined to give him till tomorrow before I make my Judgment on him.
This all feels extremely middle of the road, I am ready to jump on a bandwagon but don't want to commit to anything scum play. He also contradicts himself about the talks about Marv, then contradicts his we have 48 hours post, by posting a case that he is pretty deadset on, about risk.nuke. Overall I just feel like Rastaban's posting has been flaky and his case on Risk is bad. To answer his question to the thread, I read his vote switch that he was not confident in a Marv lynch, and that he wanted to pressure a lurker with no content. Also, his first 30ish hour case doesn't take into account that Risk.nuke has played many many games before. ##Vote: rastaban
Wishy washy and bad cases do not a scum make. Rastaban may be scum but if all he has done is be wishy-washy and push a bad case, he may be bad town as well. Of course you then jumped back onto your policy lynch of Zentor. What really confuses me is this
On June 24 2012 06:04 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 04:54 prplhz wrote:Okay I wanted to write a case on Zephirdd last night but then I really had to sleep and I've been busy today but here we go. On June 22 2012 08:41 Zephirdd wrote:
This is a semi-closed setup. If there are 13 players, it's possible that 12 are medics and 1 is a scum. Of course that's retarded as fuck, but nothing is concrete and we shouldn't think "but it's not common to 2 of X" exist ever. at all.
In fact, we can't even confirm the existence of a SK until after the night phase.
I'm not sure about Millers instaclaiming. While it clears path for cops(as it's pretty obvious that they will show red), it also reduces the number of possible blues, making it easier for scum. At least what I understood from the setup is that Millers can't be blues.
If anything, Millers should be breadcrumbing and claiming in case a cop calls them guilty. For all other purposes, they should be *Vanilla*(unclaimed, aka. possible blue) to make it harder for mafia to shoot into blues. This is the post in question. People have already said that this is a bad plan and I agree with that. My problem isn't that he's suggesting a bad plan. it's that I think it comes from a scum perspective. Scum are much more likely to suggest plans that they think are bad for them. For scum, it doesn't really matter if millers claim or not but what Zephirdd focuses on is how it will make them confirmed green and not blue. Zephirdd thinks that that will narrow down the pool of potential blues that scum can shoot which will be a plus for scum. Townies would never focus on this because they don't really care about blues, they care about analysis and avoiding chaos and that's what miller claims will help them avoid. This is really the crux of my case but I'm going to write some more that might convince other people too. First Zephirdd is pretty suspicious about rastaban. Worst case ever into doesn't feel like your other games. He never does anything. Next he has an epiphany that VisceraEyes and marvellosity are scum and again he doesn't do anything about it. No vote, no push, no anything. He looks pretty convinced from what he is saying but he's not acting on it. In the end he jumps on the zentor wagon as the 9th voter, an ultra safe vote based off of two lines of analysis that has already been made several times by other people. What you guys think about this? what exactly are you trying to do with this? save your scum teammate zentor with a no-lynch?
When prpl was the guy who started the whole thing. Your play is substandard mattchew. The only case you have pushed has been Rastaban which is not revealing at all. What happened the crazy bastard who fake claimed a hit in LV?
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On June 25 2012 12:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
What the fuck
Truth
On June 25 2012 14:40 Probulous wrote:MattchewYou started the whole Marvel thing and given his incredibly vague response why is this all you have to say about him Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 13:42 Mattchew wrote:On June 22 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote:On June 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote:Hi All, I want MrZentor dead. On June 22 2012 07:16 marvellosity wrote:On June 22 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Let's try and figure out a way to figure out if we're town right here and right now...
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Because it's going to help me a lot if I can trust you. I now know you're a fucking beast as scum. What do you suggest? you may quiz me and i will answer your questions. Marv, if you were to pick out the differences in your scum play and your town play, what would you point to? I like this question a lot. I think there are a couple of possible tells. But tell me what you think first. I dislike this answer greatly. The entire reason I asked was because of how strong your scum play has been recently, and that seemingly no-one (especially in this game) could finger you as scum. I was looking for an answer that would leave me with things to hold you accountable for. Instead, you dodge the question completely. On June 22 2012 09:50 marvellosity wrote:On June 22 2012 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 22 2012 09:42 marvellosity wrote:On June 22 2012 09:20 VisceraEyes wrote::OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Anyways look what I found guys! On May 30 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote:On May 30 2012 06:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Marvel, the correct response is "my thoughts are X and Y and Z"...my question of you wasn't an accusation, so there's no need to get defensive. Saying things like "I already said" and "I made a comment" are very defensive when all I wanted was your input.
:/ Much like Magic you are reading my responses as defensive when they were not. I'm just baffled you are asking questions I have already stated clear opinions on or at least alluded to. This was his defense in LV, the Zim themed large we were just in. Marv DOMINATED that game as scum, and look at what his first act of the game was (upon replacing in)! It was using his "meta" as a personalized defense against my accusations. Look at his defense this game! Oddly enough, it's a personalized "meta" defense again! Marv, your response? This is the second misrepresentation. Trying to compare a 'defence' in a game where I wasn't accused to my defence this game where I am in fact accused First misrepresentation: On June 22 2012 07:34 marvellosity wrote:
here's a clue
count how many times anyone said i said or even hinted at anything scummy in LV
see the pressure i was under at the start in magic at the start for wanting to shoot NT off the bat
compare to current situation
profit On June 22 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Probulous, what did you see when you went back and read Magic? When I went back, all I saw was a completely different opening strategy. I mean, he could just be doing a fast-expand or something, but it's looking kinda cheesy to me. :/ I clearly said what I was referring to in Magic and yet you try to pretend that you went and looked and didn't find anything. Despite the fact I said exactly what I was referring to. I "pretend" that I went and didn't find anything? I went and looked and I said EXACTLY what I found. I don't care about you wanting to shoot NT, nothing similar has happened this game to compare it to. When I went back, I found what I was looking for - you acting like a townie. You haven't done that this game. When I went and looked at your scum game, I found something there too - you defending yourself needlessly with meta . You HAVE done that this game. These aren't misrepresentations, they're observations I'm making. If you don't like it, STOP TELLING PEOPLE TO GO READ YOUR PREVIOUS GAMES. I've quite clearly stated I am not, stop it. The similar thing, VE, is that I wasn't afraid of saying something that was scummy in that game. In this game, unless you underestimate me which I think you do not, you should be aware that I know making a sidestep to Mattchew's question could be viewed scummily, and I'd avoid it like the fucking plague if I were scum. I don't like your grasping at straws to use "im smarter than doing something so scummy" as a defense. If you knew it would look scummy, why would you do it? It serves no town purpose to act willfully scummy. Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 04:10 Mattchew wrote:On June 23 2012 02:36 Snarfs wrote:Also, I'm still waiting for Mattchew to come back and explain this: On June 22 2012 15:23 Snarfs wrote:
Mattchew, you claim that you had hoped that marv would write down some things that he does as mafia so that you can hold him accountable, yet it just appears as though the most likely thing that will happen is, if marv is scum, he will become more cognisant of his flaws as mafia and be more likely to attempt to avoid them. It seems like you didn't fully think that question through. I figured that of all people he would have more insight as to his differences and tells in his scum/town play, he would have the most information. It was extremely early in the game and was what I thought a good time to go into a self meta analysis that if he were town, he would gladly bestow upon us the things that he would use to set himself apart from scum. Instead, he sidesteps the question completely, not leaving us with anything to hold him accountable or help us get a read on him. Then he says that he knew this answer would be viewed as scummy, which if something is scummy, it is anti-town. I don't see why he would post like that knowing it would not help town. From my reading it sounds like you think he is scum. You are certainly not happy with his reply. Which begs the question, if you are unhappy with his response but don't bother writing up a case, why ask the question? In fact you have nothing else to say about marvel at all. Then when you do push a case it is this terrible excuse for a vote on rastaban Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 04:10 Mattchew wrote:On June 22 2012 16:46 rastaban wrote:
Second, the focus of Marv makes me think of karma after seeing him do it to Gonzaw in our last game together. We need to be careful with tunneling though, when you push someone so hard day1, they will often come across as scum no matter what since the only content you have is them trying to defend themselves against accusations. He could be scum but I just want to say that we need to be cautious, as I feel the case against him is a bit biased. Now his day 1 "meta" is to spam 1 liners so I personally wouldn't mind him getting lynched if there isn't a better candidate but I feel like there is too much discussion on him this early in our day. Remember we have 48 hours, half that time hasn't even passed yet so I don't like the band wagoning on Marv so quickly.
That said I have a hard time getting anything from his filter right now. Some people analyze best when their quarry is under pressure but for me that introduces too many variables so I like to read posts where they aren't defending themselves. So marv would you mind answering the original question ( as leading as it may be) about what you feel are your tells, and second who do you feel is most likely scum? (big post by post case on Risk.Nuke that I am not quoting) On June 23 2012 03:47 rastaban wrote:
When I review MrZentor I see someone who hasn't contributed much, which, while scummy, isn't enough to lynch yet in my opinion.,Especially when he commits to delivering something tomorrow. I have seen players like Foolishness say the same thing so I am inclined to give him till tomorrow before I make my Judgment on him.
This all feels extremely middle of the road, I am ready to jump on a bandwagon but don't want to commit to anything scum play. He also contradicts himself about the talks about Marv, then contradicts his we have 48 hours post, by posting a case that he is pretty deadset on, about risk.nuke. Overall I just feel like Rastaban's posting has been flaky and his case on Risk is bad. To answer his question to the thread, I read his vote switch that he was not confident in a Marv lynch, and that he wanted to pressure a lurker with no content. Also, his first 30ish hour case doesn't take into account that Risk.nuke has played many many games before. ##Vote: rastaban Wishy washy and bad cases do not a scum make. Rastaban may be scum but if all he has done is be wishy-washy and push a bad case, he may be bad town as well. Of course you then jumped back onto your policy lynch of Zentor. What really confuses me is this Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 06:04 Mattchew wrote:On June 24 2012 04:54 prplhz wrote:Okay I wanted to write a case on Zephirdd last night but then I really had to sleep and I've been busy today but here we go. On June 22 2012 08:41 Zephirdd wrote:
This is a semi-closed setup. If there are 13 players, it's possible that 12 are medics and 1 is a scum. Of course that's retarded as fuck, but nothing is concrete and we shouldn't think "but it's not common to 2 of X" exist ever. at all.
In fact, we can't even confirm the existence of a SK until after the night phase.
I'm not sure about Millers instaclaiming. While it clears path for cops(as it's pretty obvious that they will show red), it also reduces the number of possible blues, making it easier for scum. At least what I understood from the setup is that Millers can't be blues.
If anything, Millers should be breadcrumbing and claiming in case a cop calls them guilty. For all other purposes, they should be *Vanilla*(unclaimed, aka. possible blue) to make it harder for mafia to shoot into blues. This is the post in question. People have already said that this is a bad plan and I agree with that. My problem isn't that he's suggesting a bad plan. it's that I think it comes from a scum perspective. Scum are much more likely to suggest plans that they think are bad for them. For scum, it doesn't really matter if millers claim or not but what Zephirdd focuses on is how it will make them confirmed green and not blue. Zephirdd thinks that that will narrow down the pool of potential blues that scum can shoot which will be a plus for scum. Townies would never focus on this because they don't really care about blues, they care about analysis and avoiding chaos and that's what miller claims will help them avoid. This is really the crux of my case but I'm going to write some more that might convince other people too. First Zephirdd is pretty suspicious about rastaban. Worst case ever into doesn't feel like your other games. He never does anything. Next he has an epiphany that VisceraEyes and marvellosity are scum and again he doesn't do anything about it. No vote, no push, no anything. He looks pretty convinced from what he is saying but he's not acting on it. In the end he jumps on the zentor wagon as the 9th voter, an ultra safe vote based off of two lines of analysis that has already been made several times by other people. What you guys think about this? what exactly are you trying to do with this? save your scum teammate zentor with a no-lynch? When prpl was the guy who started the whole thing. Your play is substandard mattchew. The only case you have pushed has been Rastaban which is not revealing at all. What happened the crazy bastard who fake claimed a hit in LV?
Can I say "the weekend happened" (work into happy hour into NYC debauchery friday, graduation BBQ party saturday, NY Red Bulls game sunday)?
Also, I fail to see how my thoughts on Rastaban are bad? Those reasons help push a scum agenda while showing a fear of posting in the thread.
Prplhz's post on zeph came at a really suspicious time. He may as well have asked for a no-lynch because if his case had actually gained traction, thats what would of occurred considering the time and players available.
I answered Snarfs question because it was asked of me. The discussion I believe had shifted away from Marv and he was no longer a lynch candidate. I don't believe that posting anything further about Marv would have helped town at that time. I will however be posting more on him in the next 24 hours while we discuss lynch candidates.
I am attempting to post more concisely and be less annoying this game then usual due to complaints in past games. When I wake up tomorrow I want to do a big post explaining my scum reads. You may all hold me accountable for doing so and the reads that I present. For now I am going to sleep after a long weekend.
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On June 24 2012 06:41 prplhz wrote:
i kind of want to lynch mattchew just because of that post he just made
prpl, your thoughts on my Mattchew post please
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xsksc replaces von Klaust II.
Discussion about the replacement will take place during postgame.
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On June 25 2012 15:07 Mattchew wrote:
Can I say "the weekend happened" (work into happy hour into NYC debauchery friday, graduation BBQ party saturday, NY Red Bulls game sunday)?
Also, I fail to see how my thoughts on Rastaban are bad? Those reasons help push a scum agenda while showing a fear of posting in the thread.
I have known many a player who is wishy-washy and posting a bad case that turned out to be town. Your case didn't really contribute at all. I am still null on Rastaban. I can't work out if he is dumb town or mafia. He has said some blatantly scummy things but he has been open and transparent about them. He has also been passionate about the game which indicates he wants to contribute. The case may be bad but he is clearly intent on pushing it. Anyway, maybe I was a little harsh on you for that.
Prplhz's post on zeph came at a really suspicious time. He may as well have asked for a no-lynch because if his case had actually gained traction, thats what would of occurred considering the time and players available.
This is terrible, terrible reasoning. You are basically giving Prpl free licence to tunnel until the lynch and not consider other candidates. It's not like Prpl showed any intention of changing his vote.
I answered Snarfs question because it was asked of me. The discussion I believe had shifted away from Marv and he was no longer a lynch candidate. I don't believe that posting anything further about Marv would have helped town at that time. I will however be posting more on him in the next 24 hours while we discuss lynch candidates.
I look forward to it.
I am attempting to post more concisely and be less annoying this game then usual due to complaints in past games. When I wake up tomorrow I want to do a big post explaining my scum reads. You may all hold me accountable for doing so and the reads that I present. For now I am going to sleep after a long weekend.
Don't listen to the naysayers, I like your crazy style. Same as VE. It makes the thread interesting to read and it provides controversial points to consider. It forces a reaction which helps determine not only your alignment but others as well.
+ Show Spoiler [PS] +If I understand your post correctly, congrats on the graduation! Sleep well
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On June 25 2012 15:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
xsksc replaces von Klaust II.
Discussion about the replacement will take postgame.
Boo! I liked von Klaust
Just kidding I like xsksc too, if you're town that is.
Just in case people think I like talking to myself, I don't. But there is no-one around and I get lonely when I can't talk to people. So here you are reading my words that primarily written for me. Bored? Well serves you right for not being here.
Come on town, pull your socks up and lets kill the bastards already!
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Yo Prob don't be lonely, I'm here. Reading through the thread now 
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Well you're on your own now. Gotta head home and make some chicken risotto. Oh god it is going to be good, it's fucking cold (well not really but I hate the cold) so this should be awesome. Come on town, let's make this a better day than yesterday. For slOosh and Zephirdd's sake 
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