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Natureboy
Sweden85 Posts
On June 24 2012 02:51 slOosh wrote: Lynch is in a little more than 4 hours I believe. vonKlaust: in your own words, why should we lynch MrZentor? He's not contributing at all while accusing Prpl for not contributing. He said he don't think that Marv is mafia, and then he voted for Marv. | ||
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Natureboy
Sweden85 Posts
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
For today's lynch I suggest rastaban. His cautious first post is scummy, and his case on risk.nuke is scummy as well. ##Vote rastaban | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Other than LI, could you please tell me a couple of scum games you've played recently? | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On June 23 2012 18:08 marvellosity wrote: I'm not sure how you can play mafia Zeph if it feels fabricated to you. It means you have no pulse at all on the psychology and emotion in a game, and therefore I really don't know how you can even try to play successfully :/ AtE much? On June 24 2012 01:49 risk.nuke wrote: rastaban zephirdd and zentor, what are your thoughts on eachother? rastaban sounds like town with bad cases. Zentor sounds trollish and uninterested, usually a signal of a VT(because VT is indeed an uninteresting role) or a scum(with the intention of creating confusion in the thread and wasting discussion). IMO, Zentor sounds like a good day 1 lynch atm. ##Vote MrZentor | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
I used that versus redFF on Sleeper Cell II. Basically you try to use emotion to demoralize someone or to sound like you are innocent. Saying I can't even play the game because I "don't have pulse on psychology and emotion" is appealing to emotion. In fact, the more I read that post, the more I think that is a scum trying to deviate from my initial thought - that you and VE were bussing eachother. VE's response wasn't good either. You know what a good response would be? A sarcastic one. A joke. Certainly not going "is that all you've got?" or "omg you suck". | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Anyways I'm out for a while. Gotta fix dat hangover. | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
On June 24 2012 03:17 Zephirdd wrote: AtE much? rastaban sounds like town with bad cases. Zentor sounds trollish and uninterested, usually a signal of a VT(because VT is indeed an uninteresting role) or a scum(with the intention of creating confusion in the thread and wasting discussion). IMO, Zentor sounds like a good day 1 lynch atm. ##Vote MrZentor Can you explain why rastaban sounds like town? Because when I looked at Bang Bang I didn't really see any similarities with his play in this game. At least no similarities that you wouldn't expect from the same player regardless of alignment, anyway. How did you go from thinking that rastaban was your best scum read to thinking that he is town? All you said was this: On June 23 2012 04:47 Zephirdd wrote: All I read from his last post is "there is no difference between Zentor and risk.nuke". The only way this would be a scum tell if risk was scum. idk, snarfs looks null to me. Well, the most glaring scum tell so far(for me) is rastaban, but if you think about it he's just playing as his town meta(based on bang bang) and all he's done is a bad case, not a scummy case. Since he is "the most glaring scum tell so far" for you, you must've surely seen some clear signs pointing toward him being town when you read Bang Bang Mafia for you to believe that he is town. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
But it's not the case. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
MrZentor (9): prplhz, VisceraEyes, slOosh, marvellosity, Probulous, rastaban, Mattchew, vonKlaust II, Zephirdd prplhz (0): Probulous (0): marvellosity (1): von Klaust II (1): risk.nuke (0): rastaban (3): Snarfs, Snarfs (0): | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
I think the rastaban choice is a better case here. Even though his last posts says he posted his thoughts on MrZentor, there is nothing in his filter that really indicates his thoughts. His posts are padded with fluff. His vote switch seems unnatural. ##Unvote: MrZentor ##Vote: rastaban | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
What are you doing slOosh? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On June 23 2012 03:08 rastaban wrote: This game I am trying something different since I don't worry about having a gun, I am going to push my scum reads and try and save my town reads. If I get lynched for that, at least town gets a trail votes to follow that led up to it. On June 23 2012 23:23 rastaban wrote: I disagree about risk, he defended himself but didn't actually contribute yet. However I doubt I am going to get enough people to vote for him today. The reason I wanted to wait on on mr.Z untill tomorrow was because he stayed in, even after subbing out. now it isn't deffinate by any leas but it increases the likelyhood he got a blue or red role. I didn't mention this earlier because if he wasn't scum then it increased his chance of getting hit tonight. However I think his vote on marv after claiming both were probably town is pretty incriminating. He isn't doing what he said he would do - hold him accountable. He pushes risk saying that he is scummy, yet waits for risk to defend himself. When he does, all he doesn't comment on whether the defense is valid or not, but dismisses the whole thing and says risk still hasn't contributed. How is that pushing scum reads? He clearly still has one, but isn't pushing it. He is merely going with the flow and sentiment of town. Compare his play here to his play in Bang Bang, in which he is confident in what he says and isn't afraid to put out his thoughts. In this game there is more fluff and more references to games that don't really prove anything. Moreso, suspicions of him have been ignored several times, which indicates resistance. Vote rastaban. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
##Unvote: Marvellosity ##Vote: Rastaban | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On June 24 2012 04:40 slOosh wrote: Yea I really think rastaban has a higher chance of flipping mafia than MrZentor. He isn't doing what he said he would do - hold him accountable. He pushes risk saying that he is scummy, yet waits for risk to defend himself. When he does, all he doesn't comment on whether the defense is valid or not, but dismisses the whole thing and says risk still hasn't contributed. How is that pushing scum reads? He clearly still has one, but isn't pushing it. He is merely going with the flow and sentiment of town. Compare his play here to his play in Bang Bang, in which he is confident in what he says and isn't afraid to put out his thoughts. In this game there is more fluff and more references to games that don't really prove anything. Moreso, suspicions of him have been ignored several times, which indicates resistance. Vote rastaban. Guess what there is more than 1 mafia in this game o.O surprising huh. I still want risk lynched, but do you really think 6 other people are going to do that in the next few hours? No, because everyone seemed to want to discuss me instead of my case. And this game if we don't get 7 votes on someone then it is a no lynch which is very bad for town. Also if I stay on risk it doesn't say anything about my alignment if I am the only one. I think Zentor is currently the second scummiet player after risk. As I mentioned earlier his voting for someone who he thought wasn't scum pushed me from being neutral on him to him being likely scum. I felt his play only fit a red or blue player, I don't think he is blue now so red is most likely. Also staying on risk is the safe move it means regardless of the lynch results I am not responsible For the outcome. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Marv do your own meta research. I'm also feeling strange about the ease of this lynch. I also don't want to lynch Zentor. Can we lynch either risk or prpl? maybe Marv? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On June 22 2012 08:41 Zephirdd wrote: This is a semi-closed setup. If there are 13 players, it's possible that 12 are medics and 1 is a scum. Of course that's retarded as fuck, but nothing is concrete and we shouldn't think "but it's not common to 2 of X" exist ever. at all. In fact, we can't even confirm the existence of a SK until after the night phase. I'm not sure about Millers instaclaiming. While it clears path for cops(as it's pretty obvious that they will show red), it also reduces the number of possible blues, making it easier for scum. At least what I understood from the setup is that Millers can't be blues. If anything, Millers should be breadcrumbing and claiming in case a cop calls them guilty. For all other purposes, they should be *Vanilla*(unclaimed, aka. possible blue) to make it harder for mafia to shoot into blues. This is the post in question. People have already said that this is a bad plan and I agree with that. My problem isn't that he's suggesting a bad plan. it's that I think it comes from a scum perspective. Scum are much more likely to suggest plans that they think are bad for them. For scum, it doesn't really matter if millers claim or not but what Zephirdd focuses on is how it will make them confirmed green and not blue. Zephirdd thinks that that will narrow down the pool of potential blues that scum can shoot which will be a plus for scum. Townies would never focus on this because they don't really care about blues, they care about analysis and avoiding chaos and that's what miller claims will help them avoid. This is really the crux of my case but I'm going to write some more that might convince other people too. First Zephirdd is pretty suspicious about rastaban. Worst case ever into doesn't feel like your other games. He never does anything. Next he has an epiphany that VisceraEyes and marvellosity are scum and again he doesn't do anything about it. No vote, no push, no anything. He looks pretty convinced from what he is saying but he's not acting on it. In the end he jumps on the zentor wagon as the 9th voter, an ultra safe vote based off of two lines of analysis that has already been made several times by other people. What you guys think about this? | ||
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