[T] MTG Mini Mafia - Page 62

On July 04 2012 08:36 Fulla wrote:
Actually might be best to let him attack someone. Ugh got some thinking to do.

On July 04 2012 06:58 Zealos wrote:

Ok, I'm gonna try to vig him today.

On July 04 2012 05:54 strongandbig wrote:
Hey guys.

I gotta say I'm still pretty surprised that Oberyn is town.

I think nova is scum along with Zealos. Last phase was the second time he just afk'ed for an entire day or more.

He sheeped Oberyn incredibly hard all of day one and hasn't done much since.

Here are some posts from his filler. I mean filter. If you don't get why these are scummy I can explain.

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Exhibit one: Nova and Zealos

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Exhibit two: the rest of nova's filter

On July 04 2012 09:25 Fulla wrote:
Who will you attack Nova?

On July 04 2012 09:36 Fulla wrote:
Remember thou, Grey urged us it was Strong and Matt and he flipped town after all.

The way I see it th Mafia Beast will attack me so I'm dead.

Someone on scum team will try to attack you, if you really are town.

On July 04 2012 11:04 Mattchew wrote:
What the hell happened to prom?

On June 25 2012 09:52 WereBugs-Go wrote:

What is the strategy to use as mafia in SSB mafia in irc Kita?
How does Town usually lose in those games?

I think this game will play a little like igroks irc SSB considering the mechanics, that's why I thought it's funny. If gonzaw had posted that, whatever I don't recall him playing those funny set-ups a lot but you played quite some SSB as well yet you posted something like that.

With everyone having 20HP this essentially plays a lot like a no-flip game the first couple of cycles because we don't get information early on because neither town nor mafia can outright kill someone, hence the SSB reference because in that game mafia has 1KP, a lynch is treated as only 1life as well and everyone has 3 stock. So "worst case" someone gets lynched and shot by mafia reducing him to 1 stock.
The real worst case would be town focussing dmg early on as in: lynch d1, vig n1, mafia shot n1 => mafia already killed someone although it's a multi-life setup. That happened once to me because some guy thought it's a good idea to shoot into someone who already lost stock. In reality you usually don't focus dmg early on and the unwritten law is something like "never shoot someone who already lost HP unless you're really certain". Sure if you're right with your read that's awesome but being wrong on a read in a game like this is way worse than in a normal game, therefore you don't really want to commit early on, because that leads to mafia shooting our guys down 1 by one early on.

On June 29 2012 04:58 WereBugs-Go wrote:
The 2/2 thing is the only reason I don't want to attack Grey. If that thing gets tapped I'm happy to attack him.

On June 28 2012 22:36 WereBugs-Go wrote:
I don't really like the idea of giving Fulla mana for 2 reasons:

1) It's a onetime only thing. That creature gets sacrificed the next turn no matter what if I understood it correctly, so it's a onetime hit only instead of something "steady" like the two other 8/8 beasts
2) Fulla is still very much on my radar for being a possible scum. Right now I'd say Grey + Zealos are the two guys I'd consider to be the most scummy on their own. I'd consider the read on Grey good, the one on Zealos is decent but not awesome. If we're wrong on him someone like Matt or Fulla might end up being the 2nd mafia as well. Especially considering how Grey said he's willing to attack Zealos. Yeah that could be mafia "bussing" each other because there's not much in play to attack at this phase anyways but it makes me wonder.

About attacking this turn When I said I am willing to attack Greymist I said that under the impression that we've got a spare AEther Spellbomb we could use. As mentioned, if I lose an artifact this turn I can't play something next turn unless I draw a land (or better artifact land ^^) which is kind of a big if. I thought that Oberyin or I am going to use an AEther spellbomb to get rid of that 2/2 creature of Greymist so we can attack safe. This is no longer the case because we need our Spellbombs as backup for the green creatures. I'm at least not willing to use them this turn. And because I already claimed I have a myr enforcer I consider it quite likely that my creature would end up being blocked by the 2/2 thing...

About my Myr Enforcer: No speciality to be found there: It's a 4/4 creature that costs [7 - (number of artifacts in your control)]. As I have 4 artifacts in control that makes it cost 3 in total and I have exactly 3 lands in play without a land on my hand...
It's a myr however, so they get stronger the moment I start drawing cards...

I'm also having a PRETTY nice card on my hand as well, not for dealing damage though. More for safety reasons as a backup for the spellbombs. Can't play it because it needs 4 mana though. I might not even play my myr enforcer if I really draw a land next turn.

On June 29 2012 20:45 WereBugs-Go wrote:
Btw heres the reason I'm not so sure on Nova:
Gonzaw asked for heals after being attacked. Nova said he's not having luck drawing cards and might end up getting something the next turn. He then proceeds to search his library for that 8/8 trample thing that he knows he can't play in the near future by himself unless something weird happens. Something weird happens and he's able to cast it with our help.

I'm just a little scared that's no coicidence. If I were Nova I probably would have searched for something like:
+ Show Spoiler [this] +
to play it on my own this very turn instead of getting an 8/8 creature I can't even play until lategame until everyone else helps me.

That's what's bothering me with Nova. Yes his posts in general are giving me a townvibe but that move looked weird, but we can't give Obe that 8/8 creature unless Nova plays it. Just to make it sure. I will spellbomb that thing if you do something fishy.

I don't mind you attacking Zealos or Greymist. I want you to and you pick who it's going to be out of those 2 but the moment we get some bullshit like "herpaderpa I'ma going to attack Fulla instead as a policy lynch for not doing something" I will spellbomb that thing. That's also the reason I don't want Fulla to get mana.
I'm waiting and waiting, giving people chances to contribute something themselves (I'm looking at you Greymist) without just blabbering about something someone else already said and nothing's happening. But if Fulla ended up jeopardizing something like I just said I don't want to see happening with Nova, that's almost a mafia claim for every one else in the game. However I could see a terrible shitstorm forming if that were to happen because of people yelling "lyyynch him" and other people yelling "nana, he's just a noob who did a mistake, give him more time!". I don't want to get him in that position of power when we're not sure about him and he is somewhat likely to screw up as both town and mafia.
At least that's my take on his "skill" so far, giving him the perfect excuse to do it as mafia if he really is mafia.

Anyways am gone for a couple of hours. Probably won't be in here until something like 2 hours prior to the deadline because I'm playing a tournament today. I will attack Greymist if that 2/2 creature of his is out of the way. I don't care about the 1/1 thing myself but you might.

On June 30 2012 01:37 WereBugs-Go wrote:

I have more things to deal with the 8/8 creatures even in case of of the failure of the spellbombs for some reason :p

About your S&B + Fulla + Zealos post:
First of all, Zealos is the guy who has 3 untapped lands a couple of hours prior to the deadline, so I'd consider that pretty unhelpful and pretty unopen as well.
I get what you're talking about when talking about Fulla and I agree in general.
The timing of S&B's tapping looked the most weird. While Greymist tapped everything and said he's playing his style no matter what pretty early. S&B did that AFTER he knew what was going on. But I'd say Zealos looks equally bad right now considering he's not willing to help us because he doesn't want to lose lousy HP.

On July 01 2012 21:57 WereBugs-Go wrote:
Re and stop with this clusterfuck. The mafia not shooting was supposed to confuse us, as I already mentionend at least 3 times...
The only purpose of that was to cast doubt on us and therefore start the "maybe we should lynch someone else/someone else first" discussion. I'm going to attack Greymist this turn and I hope people do the same. The worst we can do is change everything we've got, because although we don't know why exactly mafia did not shoot we can be sure they did it for some reason. Therefore I'm not letting it influence me and I'll just do what I was going to do before that happened => attacking Greymist. Once he flipped red we can talk about what scenario makes sense and who could be the 2nd mafia.
If we have a guy or two who are most likely going to flip mafia and a shitton of other possible solutions for the 2nd mafia we "lynch" into the guy we're sure on, not the 2nd guy that might be mafia because it makes sense considering the connections between those two if the first is mafia. We're not lynching for "connections" unless we have a flip. It's simple as that.

Again Greymist, Kita and I are the vets in this game.
Lynching Grey makes sense from a mafia-Balance point of view.
Lynching Grey makes sense from a MTG-Balance point of view.
Lynching Grey makes sense from a "what happened in this game" point of view.
So even if you don't think he's more scummy than people like Zealos or Matt or whoever else this should be something to consider. If a guy like Grey is considered to be equally scummy like a guy like Zealos that's way more telling for Grey because he knows how to play the game and shouldn't be considered scummy in the first place unless of course there is a reason to appear scummy (like being scum for example?)

We're not lynching for stupid behavior unless we know the guy is smart. Greymist is smart and he's behaving completly anti-town. Now don't give me that "well would a mafia do that? I don't think so" shit because yeah a mafia would / could do that as well as a last resort of a defence and Greymist was under a lot of pressure from the very beginning. It started with a little pressure, reaction fishing and stuff from me d1 to see what's going to happen and to finally start a conversation but his answeres were so bad other people realized that as well, even before I started explaining what I did on d2.
Again, Greymist knows how to play mafia and he knows how to play MTG (apparently), yet he's the one guy that refused to do something at all. Sure Fulla and Zealos for example did the very same but as mentioned (I'm quoting myself here): and I can't be sure wether or not Fulla and Zealos are smart and know how to play mafia at all.
Greymist does know how to play the game and he completly refuses to do so.