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Btw the reason I played a 1 mana myr and the spellbomb instead of something else is because I'd need one more mana for my other myr I could play.
I'm talking about my + Show Spoiler [Myr Enforcer] +
Casting a myr that an artifact that costs 1 mana doesn't "cost" me a thing because it gets cheaper for every artifact. Yes Greymist asked me if I'm running affinities, I said "not exactly" because I'm running on myrs although 2 of my cards in my deck have affinites.
As you can see I spend 2 mana but kind of got 2 mana that way as well, considering the enforcer because I can't play anything else anyways.
That's why I casted both the myr and the spellbomb costing 1 mana each. That way I'm "preserving" my mana for the next round in lowering the cost for the next one and that's why I don't really want to sacrifice the spellbomb this turn.
Not sure what to make of the 8/8 creature yet... Yes it would be incredible strong but playing several weaker (2/2, 3/3, 4/4 I could for example play a 4/4 for 3 mana which is incredible mana efficient) creatures would work the same way while distributing the power a little better.
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+ Show Spoiler [clicky] +On June 28 2012 07:41 WereBugs-Go wrote:Btw the reason I played a 1 mana myr and the spellbomb instead of something else is because I'd need one more mana for my other myr I could play. I'm talking about my + Show Spoiler [Myr Enforcer] +Casting a myr or an artifact that costs 1 mana doesn't "cost" me a thing because it gets cheaper for every artifact. Yes Greymist asked me if I'm running affinities, I said "not exactly" because I'm running on myrs although 2 of my cards in my deck have affinites. As you can see I spend 2 mana but kind of got 2 mana that way as well, considering the enforcer because I can't play anything else anyways. That's why I casted both the myr and the spellbomb costing 1 mana each. That way I'm "preserving" my mana for the next round in lowering the cost for the next one and that's why I don't really want to sacrifice the spellbomb this turn. Not sure what to make of the 8/8 creature yet... Yes it would be incredible strong but playing several weaker (2/2, 3/3, 4/4 I could for example play a 4/4 for 3 mana which is incredible mana efficient) creatures would work the same way while distributing the power a little better.
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Yeah that clone of yours changes things a lot.
Nova can get a 8/8 creature with trample with 6 mana additional mana
You can get a 8/8 creature with trample with 4 more mana (10 in total)
I could get a 4/4 creature without trample with 2 mana (12 in total).
Obviously the trample makes it awesome but if we could get 3 4/4 creatures like mine that'd be basicly 12/12 spread on 3 creatures. That's why I said mine is manaefficient but I'm probably the only one with something like that :p
However, we prooobably need mafias help to get this going. Yeah they can't just say nah because that'd out them but idk if we can make this happen. We need to talk this trough and what we're doing if people don't stick to the plan because one guy jeopardizing it could be the end to both 8/8 creatures. I think playing several smaller creatures is better than having one big 8/8 creature with trample but having 2 8/8 creatures with trample, especially if the 2nd is as fucking mana efficient as what you've linked would be waaaay better.
So I'd say if we're going for it we're going for both 8/8 creatures, if we can't get that happen I don't really like it that much.
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On June 28 2012 08:07 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 08:00 WereBugs-Go wrote:
Yeah that clone of yours changes things a lot.
Nova can get a 8/8 creature with trample with 6 mana additional mana
You can get a 8/8 creature with trample with 4 more mana (10 in total)
I could get a 4/4 creature without trample with 2 mana (12 in total).
Obviously the trample makes it awesome but if we could get 3 4/4 creatures like mine that'd be basicly 12/12 spread on 3 creatures. That's why I said mine is manaefficient but I'm probably the only one with something like that :p
However, we prooobably need mafias help to get this going. Yeah they can't just say nah because that'd out them but idk if we can make this happen. We need to talk this trough and what we're doing if people don't stick to the plan because one guy jeopardizing it could be the end to both 8/8 creatures. I think playing several smaller creatures is better than having one big 8/8 creature with trample but having 2 8/8 creatures with trample, especially if the 2nd is as fucking mana efficient as what you've linked would be waaaay better.
So I'd say if we're going for it we're going for both 8/8 creatures, if we can't get that happen I don't really like it that much. Well...Greymist doesn't have any lands left...so I don't see why we would need scum's help >_> <_< Although being serious, I can't see anyone other than Zealos (if he's scum) completely object with this plan if EVERYBODY else agrees with it (those that give land of course). By the way I planned it up there, Zealos can only object to ME having the "Cloned" 8/8 beast, not Nova having it. If everybody except him agrees....we can threaten to use Nova's beast on him if he doesn't. Yes, we should discuss it all we want, as much as we can. We have all the time in the world, we don't need to rush. But like I said, nobody should play anything yet because if they do we lose the chance of getting these 2 8/8 beasts out completely (even if they cast a spell with 1 mana cost). Also WBG, what do you think of Grey? I think he may be scum, please give me your opinion on this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345422¤tpage=21#405And this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345422¤tpage=21#419Specially because Greymist already tapped ALL his lands as soon as the turn started, which seems quite a coincidence taking into account the global enchantment we have today
I already said I'd like to attack Greymist the most :p
I find the lack of trying to do something way more suspicious than what you said but yes I agree in general. This zealos thing looks like someone trying to blend in.
But above all I really don't like the fact that he's not telling us a thing about his reads and if he has any. Yes there was that "I'd be willing to attack Zealos" without an explanation but other than that nothing in general when he apparently thought about things. The quote I had from Nova apparently made him think about it as well, yet he wasn't willing to share his thoughts when I asked him about it for the sake of starting a conversation or he simply only started to think about it AFTER I told him that it's an interesting post.
He isn't mentioning a thing at all. People COULD have been talking about you and your complete focus on the mechanics this game as well. I mentioned that and said that I've got something to say about that as well but I'd rather hear what other people think about it because frankly for me that was a null after BangBang, yet I would have thought other people might have considered it strange.
He never mentioned fulla or what he thinks about him.
No comment on Zealos or Mattchew, who both didn't post a lot early on either. That's ALL stuff he could have had an opinion on or AT LEAST used to get a conversation starting. D1 conversations are always weird because noone knows what to talk about other than the weather and the set-up but you have to get off those topics eventually and you do that by talking about small things that probably are nothing but might be something.
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The mafia hit really isn't that much of a deal for me. I have my own explanation for that anyways but that's a little wifom.
Oberyn COULD be mafia targeting himself. In fact LV and the disaster with marv is the reason I'd rather have 3 middle-strong creatures than one big creature. The posts gonzaw is doing are making me think he's town but the posts Kita did are giving me a null. However here's the thing:
If Oberyin has a 8/8 creature with trample, got half killed on n1 by mafia and isn't dead pretty soon we're prooobably not going to have a hard time figuring him out either ways. I doubt mafia will let him life for wifom if he's controlling a 8/8 trample thing while being a hydra, while being town, if he really is town.
I'm just thinking about wether or not that thing could bring us into a nearly unwinnable or even unwinnable situation if the worst case really ends up being the case. But I don't think it'd be to a towndefeat even if Oberyn or Nova are mafia due to my Spellbomb. Same goes for Oberyns Spellbomb in the very likely case of him being town and us completly derping about Nova.
But 2 8/8 creatures is a big deal, especially if we're getting them so cheap.
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I don't really like the idea of giving Fulla mana for 2 reasons:
1) It's a onetime only thing. That creature gets sacrificed the next turn no matter what if I understood it correctly, so it's a onetime hit only instead of something "steady" like the two other 8/8 beasts
2) Fulla is still very much on my radar for being a possible scum. Right now I'd say Grey + Zealos are the two guys I'd consider to be the most scummy on their own. I'd consider the read on Grey good, the one on Zealos is decent but not awesome. If we're wrong on him someone like Matt or Fulla might end up being the 2nd mafia as well. Especially considering how Grey said he's willing to attack Zealos. Yeah that could be mafia "bussing" each other because there's not much in play to attack at this phase anyways but it makes me wonder.
About attacking this turn When I said I am willing to attack Greymist I said that under the impression that we've got a spare AEther Spellbomb we could use. As mentioned, if I lose an artifact this turn I can't play something next turn unless I draw a land (or better artifact land ^^) which is kind of a big if. I thought that Oberyin or I am going to use an AEther spellbomb to get rid of that 2/2 creature of Greymist so we can attack safe. This is no longer the case because we need our Spellbombs as backup for the green creatures. I'm at least not willing to use them this turn. And because I already claimed I have a myr enforcer I consider it quite likely that my creature would end up being blocked by the 2/2 thing...
About my Myr Enforcer: No speciality to be found there: It's a 4/4 creature that costs [7 - (number of artifacts in your control)]. As I have 4 artifacts in control that makes it cost 3 in total and I have exactly 3 lands in play without a land on my hand...
It's a myr however, so they get stronger the moment I start drawing cards...
I'm also having a PRETTY nice card on my hand as well, not for dealing damage though. More for safety reasons as a backup for the spellbombs. Can't play it because it needs 4 mana though. I might not even play my myr enforcer if I really draw a land next turn.
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Oh yeah forgot about S+B in there. Add him into the list of "could be mafia if we're wrong on one guy"
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On June 29 2012 03:31 Nova_Terra wrote:1. I'd be attacking Zealos preferably 2. Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 00:28 Zealos wrote:
Ok, so, here's the way I see it. I have been lurky as hell. However, I am not mafia, and I am happy to play cards however the rest of town deems fit. I am waiting to see who attacks each other before I can really get a good idea of who is scum or otherwise.
I might be missing something though, but why are we suddenly creating 2 8/8 creatures for people we can't confirm as town? It seems like it would be pretty much auto lose if they both turn out to be scum. cause theres aether spellbombs and Obyren and myself are town
Well the 2nd point is bullshit. Yes I've got a townread on Obe and I'm pretty sure he's town. That's "pretty sure" not "he is town".
Yes I've got a slight townread on you and I think you are town. That's "you're more likely to be town than mafia" not "you are town".
It IS a risk, that's the reason we're talking about it instead of just doing it. The point is that the risks are somewhat low and the advantages are pretty awesome. That's the reason we're even considering it, because the advantages outweight the risks. The risks are low because of the Spellbombs and because we have those townreads on mostly oberyn so far, but saying it's good no matter what (that's what that post looks like) is just wrong.
Zealos has a point in general although it's a point that I'd consider paranoid right now. The general idea to not be just sheeping and agree to it without a second of a doubt is something that actually makes me think we should rather shoot Greymist than Zealos. Having doubts is not something that is scummy in general when the plan is to give two 8/8 creatures to people.
I'd still not like to give mana to fulla. I don't think he's readable yet.
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On June 29 2012 04:31 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 22:09 Promethelax wrote:I'm off to work in half an hour so I don't have much time, in eight hours I'll be back and have a few hours if you want to have a real discussion. The enchantments I have are only helpful to me, they aren't played on a single creature. I can reveal them if you feel that is necessary but I would rather keep them secret until there is a good reason to talk about them. Suffice it to say that they won't be useful in buffing anyone else. I will say though that in my hand I have which could be used to the benefit of town. If I ever draw it I will inform town and we can decide where to go from there. I am happy to use my mana to help summon big creatures for two guys who seem town if we have heard from them before we give them the mana who each of them plan on attacking. GreY and Zealos seem this most scummy to me and Matt is a not to distant third. Nova and Oby who would you personally attack with your trample beast and why? GreY so far you have called Oby a lot of names and made it clear you think anyone who has a scumread on you is an idiot but you told me you had given us your thoughts on Zealos; what you said was that you would be willing to attack him. What are your reads on me, S+B, Oby, Matt or Nova. What has changed about how you see Zealos. Why? to everyone with a creature: who are you going to attack this turn? If you choose to attack me I will not block you. I plan on attacking Zealos if he is lurking and not here he will not be able to block and if he does he will hopefully lose one of his blockers. Next turn when the beasts are active (assuming we follow through on this plan) I will use the Harrier to tap out a creature belonging to one of the two people being attacked by the town beasts so that the target player will receive life damage but retain their creatures which is best case scenario for town. [...]I am also worried about WBG, and none of you seem to be either. Not only did he lie about his deck not being affinity for artifacts, but he has been hopping on and off the lets kill GreYMisT train. First saying lets do it if with have a spare bomb, and then saying lets just shoot him first. Its not much but its enough to gain my attention. [...]
Wat? I was the first guy to "fos" you. I was the first guy who said I'd be willing to shoot you.
When asked if I am running affinity I answered:
On June 25 2012 09:24 WereBugs-Go wrote:not exactly. Why?
I said "not exactly". I did not say "no" and I did not say "yes" for a reason. I said "not exactly" because I'm running a myr deck and not an affinity deck in general. That is the only myr I've got that has affinities for artifacts and I said I only have 2 different cards in this deck that have affinities, one of those cards is my Myr Enforcer. How did I lie about this at all? I did not want to claim the deck at this point because I didn't want to give hints at wether or not mafia should shoot early on or later on. Everyone actually reading my posts should have realized that "not exactly" means something like "yeah I have 1 or 2 cards with affinities but I'm not running them in general".
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On June 29 2012 04:46 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 04:42 WereBugs-Go wrote:On June 29 2012 04:31 GreYMisT wrote:On June 28 2012 22:09 Promethelax wrote:I'm off to work in half an hour so I don't have much time, in eight hours I'll be back and have a few hours if you want to have a real discussion. The enchantments I have are only helpful to me, they aren't played on a single creature. I can reveal them if you feel that is necessary but I would rather keep them secret until there is a good reason to talk about them. Suffice it to say that they won't be useful in buffing anyone else. I will say though that in my hand I have which could be used to the benefit of town. If I ever draw it I will inform town and we can decide where to go from there. I am happy to use my mana to help summon big creatures for two guys who seem town if we have heard from them before we give them the mana who each of them plan on attacking. GreY and Zealos seem this most scummy to me and Matt is a not to distant third. Nova and Oby who would you personally attack with your trample beast and why? GreY so far you have called Oby a lot of names and made it clear you think anyone who has a scumread on you is an idiot but you told me you had given us your thoughts on Zealos; what you said was that you would be willing to attack him. What are your reads on me, S+B, Oby, Matt or Nova. What has changed about how you see Zealos. Why? to everyone with a creature: who are you going to attack this turn? If you choose to attack me I will not block you. I plan on attacking Zealos if he is lurking and not here he will not be able to block and if he does he will hopefully lose one of his blockers. Next turn when the beasts are active (assuming we follow through on this plan) I will use the Harrier to tap out a creature belonging to one of the two people being attacked by the town beasts so that the target player will receive life damage but retain their creatures which is best case scenario for town. [...]I am also worried about WBG, and none of you seem to be either. Not only did he lie about his deck not being affinity for artifacts, but he has been hopping on and off the lets kill GreYMisT train. First saying lets do it if with have a spare bomb, and then saying lets just shoot him first. Its not much but its enough to gain my attention. [...] Wat? I was the first guy to "fos" you. I was the first guy who said I'd be willing to shoot you. When asked if I am running affinity I answered: On June 25 2012 09:24 WereBugs-Go wrote:On June 25 2012 09:01 GreYMisT wrote:
werebugs-go are you running affinity? not exactly. Why? I said "not exactly". I did not say "no" and I did not say "yes" for a reason. I said "not exactly" because I'm running a myr deck and not an affinity deck in general. That is the only myr I've got that has affinities for artifacts and I said I only have 2 different cards in this deck that have affinities, one of those cards is my Myr Enforcer. How did I lie about this at all? I did not want to claim the deck at this point because I didn't want to give hints at wether or not mafia should shoot early on or later on. Everyone actually reading my posts should have realized that "not exactly" means something like "yeah I have 1 or 2 cards with affinities but I'm not running them in general". Usually when you see artifact lands and myr enforcer that spells affinity, my mistake.
Yeah it is an affinity card but the reason it's in my deck is because it's a medium myr and not because of the affinity. I'm not having a shitton of affinity cards. I'm having 2. The 2nd isn't in my deck because of it's affinity either but because of something else.
Again, I said "not exactly" because I don't consider a deck with 2 cards with affinity running affinity, especially not if they're in my deck for completly different reasons.
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The 2/2 thing is the only reason I don't want to attack Grey. If that thing gets tapped I'm happy to attack him.
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I'm still not happy to give mana to Fulla. Yes I said we should ignore him for the time being and check what's going on in his head later on but that doesn't make him town.
I want to know who plays what, who gets mana from whom, if we're having mana left and what we're doing with that mana because I'm sure as hell not going to give fulla my mana when he's one of the alternatives for my mafiareads. We have 2 people who played lands if I remember correctly.
I'm checking the board to see what we've got, give me a sec.
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Okay here's what I've come up with, just to check the numbers :p
Nova needs FF+6
Gonzaw needs I+3
left:
Grey : 0 ---0
S&B : 0 ---0
Zealos: 1 + (2) ---1
Obe : II ---0
Nova : FF ---0
Matt : 2 ---1
WBG : 1 ---0
Fulla : MMM ---1
Prom : 3 ---1
Nova gets: FF (nova) + 6 (obe (1) + Matt (1) + Prom (2) + Fulla (2))
obe gets: I (obe) + 3 (WBG (1) + Zealos(2) )
Still left: 4
Zealos (1)
Matt (1)
Fulla (1)
Prom (1))
Why don't we leave an island for obe untapped in case we want to use the spellbomb for whatever reason or is the board-thread for obe updated? I took it he had 1 tapped island, tapped his 2nd for giving mana away and needs the third for casting the clone.
Also S&B's 3 swamps need to be tapped in the thread
Also that leaves us with 4 mana left over or even 5 if Obe really has only one tapped island.
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Btw heres the reason I'm not so sure on Nova:
Gonzaw asked for heals after being attacked. Nova said he's not having luck drawing cards and might end up getting something the next turn. He then proceeds to search his library for that 8/8 trample thing that he knows he can't play in the near future by himself unless something weird happens. Something weird happens and he's able to cast it with our help.
I'm just a little scared that's no coicidence. If I were Nova I probably would have searched for something like:
+ Show Spoiler [this] +
to play it on my own this very turn instead of getting an 8/8 creature I can't even play until lategame until everyone else helps me.
That's what's bothering me with Nova. Yes his posts in general are giving me a townvibe but that move looked weird, but we can't give Obe that 8/8 creature unless Nova plays it. Just to make it sure. I will spellbomb that thing if you do something fishy.
I don't mind you attacking Zealos or Greymist. I want you to and you pick who it's going to be out of those 2 but the moment we get some bullshit like "herpaderpa I'ma going to attack Fulla instead as a policy lynch for not doing something" I will spellbomb that thing. That's also the reason I don't want Fulla to get mana.
I'm waiting and waiting, giving people chances to contribute something themselves (I'm looking at you Greymist) without just blabbering about something someone else already said and nothing's happening. But if Fulla ended up jeopardizing something like I just said I don't want to see happening with Nova, that's almost a mafia claim for every one else in the game. However I could see a terrible shitstorm forming if that were to happen because of people yelling "lyyynch him" and other people yelling "nana, he's just a noob who did a mistake, give him more time!". I don't want to get him in that position of power when we're not sure about him and he is somewhat likely to screw up as both town and mafia.
At least that's my take on his "skill" so far, giving him the perfect excuse to do it as mafia if he really is mafia.
Anyways am gone for a couple of hours. Probably won't be in here until something like 2 hours prior to the deadline because I'm playing a tournament today. I will attack Greymist if that 2/2 creature of his is out of the way. I don't care about the 1/1 thing myself but you might.
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On June 29 2012 23:57 Nova_Terra wrote:
Also i do want to draw attention to fulla. Not negative attention actually; i think hes town.
There is no way that revealing his sick damage spells would benefit scum; scum would definitely hide them. Instead, Fulla is trying to get mana so they can be used from our direction. No way scum would do that. Furthermore im starting to get newbie town vibes from him, which is good.
Not really sure on it. You say it looks townish that he's announcing his dmg spells. He has a red deck and everyone knows he has dmg spells in there. Yeah announcing your dmg spells looks good but do you really think a mafia would not do that?
Do you think a mafia would just outright play them without telling us before? I'd say a mafia would do the exact same thing because just playing something that deals massive amounts of damage without telling us is basicly claiming mafia and therefore he has to announce it either way.
On June 29 2012 22:06 Fulla wrote:
@Were you say you're a bit weary of Nova, but don't want me to have anything? But would it not be far wiser for the power distribution to be fairly evenly spread?
Right now Obe will be dead soon, and Nova will have an 8/8 creature, should he turn out scum and some of us have nothing, we're screwed.
Say for example it turns out Grey and Nova are actually the scum, we'd have a powerful sliver deck with a town pumped up elf deck. In 2-3 turns after Obe is gone could we stop them? Especially if Zealos is in fact innocent and wiped out by us. Along with the unblockable Mafia Beast we'll get crushed easy,
So I'll feel far more safer with us all having Can I get 2 mana back please to cast Electropence. Atleast then I have something.
Whats everyone else's thoughts on this?
Electropence is not really helping you right now. You have 3 lands in total and you have to pay 3 mana + cost of a creature to even use it. Right now that thing is useles both for you and for us unless we get another mana-boosting global so that we can push you to something like 6 or 7 mana so that you can pay both the electropen cost and the cost of your next creature (I only know of that 3mountain creature).
I'd say we should try to get a "steady" creature out with out mana left on someone who's name is not Greymist, Zealos, Nova or Obe. I'd actually also be willing to give mana to S&B or Matt as well if they get a plain 1/1, 2/2 or 3/3 creature out that way to spread things out a little as you said. Even if one of them is mafia and we're wrong on Zealos, who cares about that one small creature and they can't all be mafia after all :p
I wouldn't mind giving you mana for a normal creture either but a dmg burst creature that only lasts one round doesn't sound like the best move right now when we already got two 8/8 creatures.
I know I can play a plain 4/4 creature for 3 colorless mana.
Matt said somewhere that he could play a goblin with some mana if I remember correctly. Was that colorless mana as well or mountains needed?
If someone else got someone useful we could do with the 3 mana we've left come out and tell us.
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On June 30 2012 00:49 Oberyn wrote:
To be honest I get the feeling that Zealos is townie.....but meh it's a gut feeling and because Grey and S&B seem scummier than him in my opinion.
Him refusing to give me the mana is not helping (hell, him giving me mana is not even that necessary since I can already summon the 8/8 beast, the mana is so I can have an untapped Island to use AEther Spellbomb in the Attack phase if necessary)
@Zealos: I can already summon the 8/8 beast without your help, you giving me mana will only make me able to cast the Spellbomb.
Do you agree about me being able to use the Spellbomb or not? That's what you will be doing by giving me mana, so think about it
Actually we don't need the spellbomb this very turn. We're keeping the spellbombs for dealing with those 8/8 creatures or something else pretty strong. Those 2 can't attack this turn so you won't use your spellbomb anyways and using it on a 1/1 creature is simply wasted.
Matt can attack me for one damage if that's what he needs.
The Harrier should be used for the 2/2 creature so that we can attack Grey I guess.
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On June 30 2012 01:09 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 01:00 WereBugs-Go wrote:On June 30 2012 00:49 Oberyn wrote:
To be honest I get the feeling that Zealos is townie.....but meh it's a gut feeling and because Grey and S&B seem scummier than him in my opinion.
Him refusing to give me the mana is not helping (hell, him giving me mana is not even that necessary since I can already summon the 8/8 beast, the mana is so I can have an untapped Island to use AEther Spellbomb in the Attack phase if necessary)
@Zealos: I can already summon the 8/8 beast without your help, you giving me mana will only make me able to cast the Spellbomb.
Do you agree about me being able to use the Spellbomb or not? That's what you will be doing by giving me mana, so think about it Actually we don't need the spellbomb this very turn. We're keeping the spellbombs for dealing with those 8/8 creatures or something else pretty strong. Those 2 can't attack this turn so you won't use your spellbomb anyways and using it on a 1/1 creature is simply wasted. Matt can attack me for one damage if that's what he needs. The Harrier should be used for the 2/2 creature so that we can attack Grey I guess. I forgot I had this card in my hand, and I think it could be useful (instead of using the Spellbomb) ![[image loading]](http://mtg.neoseeker.com/w/i/mtg/thumb/d/d1/Chain_of_Vapor_ON.jpg/223px-Chain_of_Vapor_ON.jpg) I didn't say anything about it because I don't understand what it does lol! It says it returns a "non-land permanent" to someone's hand (like the Spellbomb) but then there's a weird bit about sacrificing a land and "copying" the spell and "choosing a target" and I don't know what it means. If I use this on Greymist's 2/2 monster.....what happens?
If you use that on Greymist he can choose to sacrifice one of his lands and can thus copy your spell on another target, for example novas 8/8 creature therefore returning it to novas hand rendering 8 mana we used this turn useless.
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Still, S&B needs to start tapping that 2/2 creature Greymist is controlling...
That means he needs his plains.
That means we have 1 mountain left from Fulla making 2.
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Player name: Zealos
Board: Swamp, City of Brass, City of Brass [all 3 untapped]
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On June 30 2012 01:20 WereBugs-Go wrote:Still, Promethelax needs to start tapping that 2/2 creature Greymist is controlling... That means he needs his plains. That means we have 1 mountain left from Fulla making it 1 lands left in total other than Zealos lands. Is Show nested quote +
Player name: Zealos
Board: Swamp, City of Brass, City of Brass [all 3 untapped]
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